I appreciate continuity and how the organization treats it's employees with more class than most. It certainly has it's place but to a point.
When the same issues on Defense rear their ugly head year after year and you turn a blind eye toward it that is unacceptable.
Our blind loyalty is unfair to the fans and greatly affects the quality of the product on the field.
Fewell's defense has broken historical records for ineptitude and quite truthfully should have been replaced 1-2 years ago.
Many may feel alot falls on the players and it may to an extent but DC is perhaps one of the most important coaching positions in ALL of sports.
We saw similiar defensive personell win a Superbowl going from Lewis to Spagnuolo in his first year here.
We saw Cowher win a superbowl when he brought in LeBeau. We saw the Rams win one when they brought in Lovie Smith etc.
The blind loyalty of ownership and Coughlin and desire to shelter and protect their own is clouding their judgement.
We saw a sizeable leap in the offense when Gilbride was replaced despite probably being one of the least talented units we've ever had under TC.
I see a similar big jump especially if JPP is retained IF we finally make the right (well overdue) move of replacing Fewell with a DC that takes advantage of our players strengths not hinders them with confusing schemes and zone coverages.
Don't throw another year down the toilet Gmen. It's time we have both an OC and DC that put their players in best position to succeed.
We can nitpick nicey nicey stats with almost any defense over a five year stretch. The statistical list of HISTORIC bad numbers under Perry outweighs all that .
In this case, I agree that retaining these guys just sets a terrible example for the fans. Ownership keeps claiming they are fed up with losing, they will make changes, etc. Then nothing. I really don't know what I will do if Fewell is retained. I won't abandon this team. But, my expectations will be very low and I can't see watching next year with much passion.
New England.
I have always looked down on those Metropolitan area fans who became Cowboy fans when the Giants were in down times.
I hated when Giant fans claimed the Maras were cheap, even though there was a hard cap.
The plain fact is that New York fans are no better or worse than any other fans and we are about to undergo a period of time when those "front-runners" and those "Steinbrennerites" and the anti-Irish are about to jump ship and become Cowboy fans and Seahawks fans. All this talk now is just an attempt to justify their traitorous and cowardly desertion.
With tongue firmly in cheek
If we succeed in 2015 our 2016 HC is Fewell or MacAdoo. If we fail 2016 brings an all-new cast of characters.
In this case, I agree that retaining these guys just sets a terrible example for the fans. Ownership keeps claiming they are fed up with losing, they will make changes, etc. Then nothing. I really don't know what I will do if Fewell is retained. I won't abandon this team. But, my expectations will be very low and I can't see watching next year with much passion.
It's astonishing how many have forgotten the record breaking number of yards given up in like 3 of 5 of Fewell's campaigns.
Regardless of how lacking some may have thought the talent was (IMO it was usually at least average and many times well above avg) the talent was never that pathetically lacking to justify the truly abysmal performance on the field.
Rams won the SB with Giunta at DC, and lost in a big upset to NE with Love Smith.
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We saw the Rams win one when they brought in Lovie Smith etc
Rams won the SB with Giunta at DC, and lost in a big upset to NE with Love Smith.
Thanks for the correction, I thought they won a Supe with him. However, his addition did still make a huge difference:
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While in St. Louis, Smith improved the Rams defense, which went from giving up a league-worst 29.4 points per game in 2000 to an average of 17.1 points in 2001. The Rams won the 2001 NFC Championship and advanced to Super Bowl XXXVI. The team ultimately lost to the New England Patriots.
Well put and totally correct. What I see now is similar to years ago prior to George Young era. Kiwi was starting as DE even though he was rated near the bottom of all DE's. Why? TC's ;oyalty to him. And this goes on through out this organmization. Its weird that so many on here keep going back to the 2 SB wins and dismiss the ineptitude and the country club setting that is existent now.
The players seeing this has to effect their performance as well. As long as their fans keep buying tickets and show up to the games, why should ownership make necessary changes?
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when Wellington Mara was making executive decisions, and none in sight, only year after year of lousy football. When Giant fans finally rebelled, the NFL pressured Mara into yielding control. Young-Accorsi-Reese have brought in 4 championships, but in the last couple of years, as the ship has sunk deeper, the Maras suddenly are again the face of the franchise and sounding as if they are calling the shots. For a Giants-lover this is very scary. And it got a lot scarier in the last few days as John M told us the team's troubles were essentially due to injuries and that his plan to improve is to hope for better luck.
Well put and totally correct. What I see now is similar to years ago prior to George Young era. Kiwi was starting as DE even though he was rated near the bottom of all DE's. Why? TC's ;oyalty to him. And this goes on through out this organmization. Its weird that so many on here keep going back to the 2 SB wins and dismiss the ineptitude and the country club setting that is existent now.
The players seeing this has to effect their performance as well. As long as their fans keep buying tickets and show up to the games, why should ownership make necessary changes?
Though it has improved somewhat over recent years, there is still alot of stubbornness and tunnel vision pervading this organization.
One of the biggest (which lies mainly with TC) is forcing players to adapt to the system rather than adjusting the system to accentuate your players best strengths.
The offensive system has finally been addressed in this regard ,let's pray the D (and heck maybe even STs) is next
Before you canonize a coach, think of 1970s Steelers. It's not a question of obligation. The only reason these teams have money to field a team is because folks pay to watch them: either directly by going to the stadium, or by spending 2 hours in every three-hour game watching beer and car commercials.
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We saw the Rams win one when they brought in Lovie Smith etc
Rams won the SB with Giunta at DC, and lost in a big upset to NE with Love Smith.
Thanks for the correction, I thought they won a Supe with him. However, his addition did still make a huge difference:
From Wiki
While in St. Louis, Smith improved the Rams defense, which went from giving up a league-worst 29.4 points per game in 2000 to an average of 17.1 points in 2001. The Rams won the 2001 NFC Championship and advanced to Super Bowl XXXVI. The team ultimately lost to the New England Patriots.
I remember well those Rams teams. My best friend at the time was a lifelong Rams fan. The Rams with Giunta as DC spent most of the year as the #2 defense in the league. They finished fairly highly ranked overall under Giunta.
The thing about being a defense on a Martz-led team is that the offense put the defense in terrible spot after terrible spot. Martz didn't care - he played to score and dared teams to keep up with him. Every single defensive coordinator had bad years working with Martz, and only Giunta and Lovie each had one good year.
The reason I make a point of this is that you can't just go on Wikipedia and decide who is a good coach and who isn't. Coaches do a heck of a lot more that doesn't show up in the box scores. Fans who look at box scores are missing the bigger picture. They fail to ask important questions like why did Giunta have a top defense one year, then the worst in the league the next, then good again the year after that, etc?
Why does Fewell have the record he has? How is it that a team that through the first five games of the year were 0-5 and had given up no less than 31 points per game, but later ended up going 7-4 and only gave up >30 points once, eventually ranking as a top ten defense?
Some people would say it was because they ran into five bad backup quarterbacks in a row. No doubt that helped. But with a completely inept offense that put them in so many bad positions, how were they able to keep 10 of their final 11 opponents below their season averages for points scored?
Some might say it was the addition of Beason to the defense, combined with the return of Will Hill from suspension. Beason, the same guy who was beat out of his starting position in Carolina by of all people, Chase Blackburn? The guy who was let go for a measly day three draft pick?
Does a coach actually get any credit for taking a team mid-season and showing improvements? Should we not consider everything when evaluating our coaches?
I don't mean to say that Fewell would be my top choice to coach this team. What I'm saying is that you can't just look up results in wikipedia to determine who is a good coach and why. You need to give a little credit to the guys who have spent an entire career around coaches and who have won to be able to evaluate a coach for his actual ability to be effective.
Coach Coughlin knows coaching, and he knows how to evaluate coaches, and all he wants to do is win the Super Bowl this next year. Give him a chance to pick out his staff and you can be sure that it will be the best coaching staff he could assemble. That should be good enough for you and for me.