but I now believe he needs to tone it down. The Eagles game made it clear to me the refs are letting DB's manhandle him because of his big mouth. That hurts the entire team. Better to let his play do the talking and the refs will start throwing flags again.
He faced him one game and Carr was on Beckham for most of the game. Scandrick from what I recall went out of his way to get in Beckham's face after each of his receptions that were on him. Francesa may be right that his play hurts their feelings enough and his words after the fact cuts even deeper.
Is one of my favorite Giants receiver performances ever. Plax, Nicks, Cruz, and Tommer all had some classic games. But there was just something special about that Rams game. Their one goal was to take him out and he goes out and embarrasses them.
And I don't think he needs to or should tone down anything. If they don't like the trash talking then stop him. But they can't stop him. So tough luck for them.
Not surprising. He clearly rubs teams the wrong way.
Provocation without consequences. I want to talk trash to you to put you in your place but you can't talk back to me because I will get offended . And for goodness sake don't make me look bad while doing it.
DeSean was just a clown. A fake wannabe crip clown. Dez and Beckham are just crazy competitors. But Dez takes it way too far sometimes yelling at coaches and teammates. Witten nearly kicked Dezs ass on the sideline a few years back. Beckham seems smarter than Dez and I don't think hell ever cross the line like Dez does often.
Francesa may be right that his play hurts their feelings enough and his words after the fact cuts even deeper.
Hate to agree with Il Papa, but I think the issue is that he renders professional secondaries helpless. Saying anything afterwards is devastating because it cant be dismissed as FredEx 2.0 running his mouth. OBJ dominates you and tells you he's doing it.
There should also be a volume weighting. If OBJ has 8 catches and 2 PIs drawn, that's 10 opportunities to trash. 3 catch WRs just cant match that opportunity. So just like OPS is more important than raw #s like hits, RBIs etc, there needs to be some sort of shit-talking batting average.
It's not fine when he is picking up personal fouls. I'd rather not see him provoke a team like the Rams into cheap shotting him to shut him up. They pick up a penalty/fine/suspension, and we play without him for a while. That doesn't help.
He is talented enough that he doesn't need to try and play mind games with DBs. Just beat them early and often.
What makes a douchebag or dickhead for another team is just fire and excitement for a Giant player. A player on Dallas or Washington behaves the way Beckham does or Shockey did and it's unacceptable, a sign of a looming head case or whatever, while "we" just see it as intensity and even fun so long as they're in blue (and performing well).
Most fans are hypocrites or bias-blind though. It's not NYG specific nor is it surprising.
Except DeSean Jackson never flashed this type of ability.
I'm not talking about ability.
Maybe not but I'd say it's quite relevant do the discussion.
He's not some one trick pony running his mouth on AND off the field, he doesn't quit during games and he doesn't have gang affiliations (or wannabe gang affiliations). I don't think there's really anything to compare.
OBJ needs to clean up the taunting that draw flags.
And draw late hits. The flags are bad enough, but a late hit could be bad news. I don't want him to be a choirboy on the field, but it sounds like he could tone it down a bit.
What makes a douchebag or dickhead for another team is just fire and excitement for a Giant player. A player on Dallas or Washington behaves the way Beckham does or Shockey did and it's unacceptable, a sign of a looming head case or whatever, while "we" just see it as intensity and even fun so long as they're in blue (and performing well).
Most fans are hypocrites or bias-blind though. It's not NYG specific nor is it surprising.
It's basically called being a fan. You love your own and hate your opponent. Let's not turn this into psychology class.
I think everyone here hates Dez but realizes at the end of the day what a tremendously talented player he is.
Jackson is much different. He's nowhere near as good as either player.
What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
I'm not a fan of trash talking, but there have been a lot of nice guys on this team the last few years so if trash talking can bring a little attitude to the team, I am fine with it.
the problem with the trash talking is that someone
could end his career early if he keeps it up. A lot of those DBs and LBs would love to take him out and shut him up. Where does that leave him and us. This is a no brainer to me.
What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
A jeff fisher coached defense is going to hit late, jump on piles,
What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
Emmanuel Sanders is actually pretty demonstrative on the field too. But yeah, when you're dealing with a Jeff Fisher team it doesn't really matter.
Antonio Brown plays similarly. He's a super fiery guy. I don't feel like teams try to hurt him, they just can't stop him.
And then he comes back at them with it and then BACKS IT, which they don't like. I have yet to see him jawing at anyone who has not tried to either cheap shot him, or talked shit to him first
talking some bullshit during the game is par for the course and a hell of a lot of fun. It's never personal 95% of the time and is done with a handshake by games end. Usually.
With Beckhams ability and play on the field there it absolutely nothing to see here. He'll most likely calm down a bit next year but he's still going to yap.
What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
Emmanuel Sanders is actually pretty demonstrative on the field too. But yeah, when you're dealing with a Jeff Fisher team it doesn't really matter.
Antonio Brown plays similarly. He's a super fiery guy. I don't feel like teams try to hurt him, they just can't stop him.
Celebrating yourself and your accomplishments is not trash talking. I was going to post something about people not recognizing the difference. Brady celebrates his throws and TDs, I'm still waiting for someone to label him a trash talker though. JJ Watt telling the media that the Giants have no one on that OL that can stop him is trash talking.
What seems to be bothering some is that this guy is doing it in his rookie season and doing it in style that probably shouldn't come so easy.
Of other fans have anything but respect and admiration for Beckham. It don't think there is any sort of bad image for him amongst general N FL fans, in fact the opposite seems to be true.
Of other fans have anything but respect and admiration for Beckham. It don't think there is any sort of bad image for him amongst general N FL fans, in fact the opposite seems to be true.
The fact that the Giants sucked this year I think helps with that
If we start winning games, the venom will come out
This is just who Odell is and it's probably part of what has made him so great so far. You can't just change a guy like that. He's going to be who he is.
I agree you don't want him taking penalties that cost the team but beyond that, don't cage the lion.
God, this shit is unbearable to sit through and read
Great idea to take away something that likely helps our best playmaker play with an edge. It's not like he's Muhammad Ali out there and giving the opponent bulletin board material.
Not desean Jackson But I won't lie he scares the hell out of me.
Hes already a much much bettrt player and teammate than Jackson. Jackson is a dog.
I loved shockey for much of the same behavior that beckham displayed this season. Shockey kind of ruined that whole thing for me because his act did eventually wear thin. Didn't help that he couldn't stay healthy either...
I just hope beckham has a long and healthy and drama free career here with the giants. Seems every time I get excited about a young NYG player something inevitably goes wrong. We haven't had the best luck lately...
I honestly think this is a bit of a stereotype of the position
Strahan and JPP and Antonion Pierce were/are fiery and celebrate(d) all the time and also played extraordinarily hard. Beckham is making exceptional plays and doing a very brief celebration afterwards...that's about it.
I like players that play with fire and emotion, I don't see that as being a diva. If he broke out a pen, or started doing Ohco Cinco crap that'd be different...he's extraordinarily passionate..that's a good thing. I understand some people not liking the celebration dances, it's no different from Cruz doing the salsa or Hakeem doing the diry bird against the falcons in the playoffs, or some of the stuff that Jacobs did. I never saw Nicks, Cruz or Jacobs as divas...just intense competitors.
Scandric is LA Ghetto Trash .
I think that OBJ will tone it Down with the endzone
celebrations . He does back it up but we don't
need another Rams situation where there trying to injure
him .F___K Dallas .
After everything that happened in the Rams game, it was awesome to see him beat them deep
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Hate to agree with Il Papa, but I think the issue is that he renders professional secondaries helpless. Saying anything afterwards is devastating because it cant be dismissed as FredEx 2.0 running his mouth. OBJ dominates you and tells you he's doing it.
There should also be a volume weighting. If OBJ has 8 catches and 2 PIs drawn, that's 10 opportunities to trash. 3 catch WRs just cant match that opportunity. So just like OPS is more important than raw #s like hits, RBIs etc, there needs to be some sort of shit-talking batting average.
I miss that about Shockey. Shockey used to always jaw with players too. I like that, good, bring that fiery nature to the team.
If you can back it up, talk as much shit as you want.
I'm not talking about ability.
He is talented enough that he doesn't need to try and play mind games with DBs. Just beat them early and often.
Most fans are hypocrites or bias-blind though. It's not NYG specific nor is it surprising.
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Except DeSean Jackson never flashed this type of ability.
I'm not talking about ability.
Maybe not but I'd say it's quite relevant do the discussion.
He's not some one trick pony running his mouth on AND off the field, he doesn't quit during games and he doesn't have gang affiliations (or wannabe gang affiliations). I don't think there's really anything to compare.
And draw late hits. The flags are bad enough, but a late hit could be bad news. I don't want him to be a choirboy on the field, but it sounds like he could tone it down a bit.
Most fans are hypocrites or bias-blind though. It's not NYG specific nor is it surprising.
It's basically called being a fan. You love your own and hate your opponent. Let's not turn this into psychology class.
I think everyone here hates Dez but realizes at the end of the day what a tremendously talented player he is.
Jackson is much different. He's nowhere near as good as either player.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Football is a sport where the opposition can make you pay for pissing them off too much. Especially a 5'11", 190 lb WR.
Ram player nearly gave ODB the same kind of welcome to the NFL treatment
Jacobs went to far at times as well and it was annoying, but he's still one of my favorites.
I don't mind it, as long as he stays within the rules and doesn't cost his team penalty yards (for the most part).
I would disagree with that.I didn't see any change in his attitude as the year went on.
Not everybody is Eli or Jeter. Some guys get on a field and play with an edge because that's what keeps them going.
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Except DeSean Jackson never flashed this type of ability.
I'm not talking about ability.
He also doesn't flash gang signs like DeSean...
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What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
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What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
Emmanuel Sanders is actually pretty demonstrative on the field too. But yeah, when you're dealing with a Jeff Fisher team it doesn't really matter.
Antonio Brown plays similarly. He's a super fiery guy. I don't feel like teams try to hurt him, they just can't stop him.
With Beckhams ability and play on the field there it absolutely nothing to see here. He'll most likely calm down a bit next year but he's still going to yap.
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What's the problem ? A lot of times, that's how guys get into a zone. Bird, Jordan, and Magic all talked trash. I did it when I played ball. I didn't trash talk everybody. But I did do my fair share.
You saw how the Rams targeted him, hitting him well after the whistle. Some of it was due to his being really freaking good, but I would bet a lot of it had to do with his running his mouth. Football ain't hoops, and losing Beckham would be a major blow. Not worth it, IMO.
Umm... yeah, I guess that's why Fisher's Titans targeted Diehl and McKenzie for their constant trash talking as well. Yeah, I wouldn't use a Fisher coach team to find reasoning for a player to be targeted. LOL, the Rams hit Peyton Manning late and the dirty hit on Sanders were because of their trash talking ways.
Emmanuel Sanders is actually pretty demonstrative on the field too. But yeah, when you're dealing with a Jeff Fisher team it doesn't really matter.
Antonio Brown plays similarly. He's a super fiery guy. I don't feel like teams try to hurt him, they just can't stop him.
Celebrating yourself and your accomplishments is not trash talking. I was going to post something about people not recognizing the difference. Brady celebrates his throws and TDs, I'm still waiting for someone to label him a trash talker though. JJ Watt telling the media that the Giants have no one on that OL that can stop him is trash talking.
What seems to be bothering some is that this guy is doing it in his rookie season and doing it in style that probably shouldn't come so easy.
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Except DeSean Jackson never flashed this type of ability.
I'm not talking about ability.
What has Odell done that comes close to Desean dropping the ball at the 1-yard line?
I think his whole game reminds me of smith (sans the violent outbursts)
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reminds me more of Steve Smith SR. I cant think of who his play reminds me of. Maybe a mix of Wes Welker and TO
I think his whole game reminds me of smith (sans the violent outbursts)
The fact that the Giants sucked this year I think helps with that
If we start winning games, the venom will come out
I agree you don't want him taking penalties that cost the team but beyond that, don't cage the lion.
Not desean Jackson But I won't lie he scares the hell out of me.
Hes already a much much bettrt player and teammate than Jackson. Jackson is a dog.
I loved shockey for much of the same behavior that beckham displayed this season. Shockey kind of ruined that whole thing for me because his act did eventually wear thin. Didn't help that he couldn't stay healthy either...
I just hope beckham has a long and healthy and drama free career here with the giants. Seems every time I get excited about a young NYG player something inevitably goes wrong. We haven't had the best luck lately...
I like players that play with fire and emotion, I don't see that as being a diva. If he broke out a pen, or started doing Ohco Cinco crap that'd be different...he's extraordinarily passionate..that's a good thing. I understand some people not liking the celebration dances, it's no different from Cruz doing the salsa or Hakeem doing the diry bird against the falcons in the playoffs, or some of the stuff that Jacobs did. I never saw Nicks, Cruz or Jacobs as divas...just intense competitors.
I think that OBJ will tone it Down with the endzone
celebrations . He does back it up but we don't
need another Rams situation where there trying to injure
him .F___K Dallas .