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Should the Giants help another team land a quarterback?

AJ23 : 1/12/2015 2:34 pm
I usually hate speculating on the draft before the Combine (let alone before the National Championship game and the end of the NFL Playoffs). A lot still has to play out, but let's for a moment ponder the line of teams in need of a quarterback that is forming behind the Giants in the 2015 NFL Draft.

Now, this is not a QB-heavy draft...

Last year, according to Walter Football, there were:

- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in the top-25;
- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in the rounds 1-2 range
- 1 quarterback projected to go in rounds 1-3
- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in rounds 2-3
- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in rounds 2-4
- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in rounds 3-5

Five ended up going in the first two rounds.

This year, there are (again, according to Walter Football):

- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in the top-10
- 2 quarterbacks projected to go in the rounds 2-4 range
- 1 quarterback projected to go in rounds 3-4
- 1 quarterback projected to go in rounds 3-5

Additionally, the Giants aren't known for trading back.

But here's what's different this year (compared to last):

Last year, nearly every team that picked from 13-32 (after the Giants) was set with a starting quarterback. There were 3 teams that ended up picking behind the Giants that didn't have a known starter going into the draft and 2 of those 3 traded up to get there (and traded up to get a QB)

- The Jets picked a safety
- The Browns bypassed a QB with their No. 8 pick and traded up later to get Manziel at No. 22
- The Vikings bypassed a QB at No. 9 and traded up to get Bridgewater at No. 32.

This year, on the other hand, I can count 9 picks behind the Giants' at No. 9 held by teams that AT SOME POINT IN THE DRAFT are likely to look hard at their QB board: (Rams at 10, Vikings at 11, Browns at 12, Dolphins at 14, Texans at 16, Browns at 19, Eagles at 20, Cardinals at 24, Broncos at 28). I emphasize "at some point" because the question I'm about to ask does not imply the trade would have to happen in Round 1.

Bringing me to my two questions:

Is this the year the Giants should trade back to a team looking for a QB?

AND/OR

Could this be the year the Giants deal Ryan Nassib?


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arcarsenal : 1/12/2015 2:39 pm : link
When is the Nassib stuff going to stop? He has no trade value right now. No one is giving up a premium pick for him. And there's no point in just giving him away.
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Chris in Philly : 1/12/2015 2:40 pm : link
In comment 12091993 arcarsenal said:
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When is the Nassib stuff going to stop? He has no trade value right now. No one is giving up a premium pick for him. And there's no point in just giving him away.


So 2 #1's for him?
Here's my question  
njm : 1/12/2015 2:40 pm : link
Why do people think Nassib, who has barely played in garbage time during the regular season, has any significant value on the trade market?
Before opening the thread, I assume a Nassib theme thread  
Mason : 1/12/2015 2:52 pm : link
read most of the post only to scroll down and see trade Nassib reference. Kudos for trying to cover it up. haha
The Giants need to do what's best for the Giants  
Gman11 : 1/12/2015 2:54 pm : link
what the other teams do they shouldn't care one bit.

So, if they trade down, it's to acquire more picks. What the other team does with their pick is not their concern.
The two QBs projected to go in the top 10 aare often projected to go  
Giants61 : 1/12/2015 2:54 pm : link
in the top 3 at worse. So I doubt the Giants would be offered a trade by a team seeking a QB that high. I believe they should keep the 9th pick for a blue chip player to enhance the very good to excellent 2014 draft
Whatever team Doug Marrone winds up with  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 1/12/2015 2:55 pm : link
Will give us 2 or 3 first round picks at least.
It sounds great for NYG  
JonC : 1/12/2015 2:55 pm : link
optimal, perhaps.

But, from another team's perspective, you're overrating Nassib's trade value and you'd still have to then find a new backup QB, which is Nassib's current utility to NYG. Imv.
When are we getting the Saints #1?..  
Vin R : 1/12/2015 2:56 pm : link



:)
Giants draft strategy 101:  
cjd2404 : 1/12/2015 2:56 pm : link
Giants will do what Giants feel is best for Giants. If Giants feel it is in their best interest to move up or down in draft, Giants will do so. Should team Giants trade with decide to draft a QB, Safety, or anything else Giants won't care as it does not affect the Giants decision to move up or down in draft.

If a team inquires about all-pro QB Nassib and offers a package the Giants feel would be in the best interest of the Giants then Giants reserve the right to act upon said inquiry.
The reason Nassib has no trade value is TC's fault  
#10* : 1/12/2015 2:59 pm : link
For better or worse he had chances to put him out there and chose not to. I think at certain points it should be the GM's call because if the kid plays well he could net an extra pick which is a business decision and effects the team long term but now we'll never know.

I hate to say it but same with Washington. TC can say he played poorly on specials all he wants but the fact is come draft day they draft on a receivers capabilities as a receiver not as a special teamer. Which means they could pull the trigger on a guy in the 1st three rounds when they can already have the guy they need on the roster and a pick that could be used elsewhere.

And if you say it was preseason it doesn't mean anything, Cruz made this team mainly for the Jets performance. TC knew from that game he couldn't hide Cruz because other teams made it known they'd go after him. Washington and Nassib won every single pre-season game for the Giants in 2014. You can say it's against backups all you want but coming from behind and winning games in the NFL is not a fluke. And again that comes down to the coach and showcasing his players. It's also one of the reasons Mara was frustrated with the Jernigan situation.
Will the Vikings really be taking another QB?  
Andy in Halifax : 1/12/2015 3:01 pm : link
Not sure I'd bank on that.
A lot of effort  
Pete in VA : 1/12/2015 3:02 pm : link
to make the basically irrelevant point that some team may want to trade up for a QB. That may be true, but some team may want to trade up for any position. The Giants will trade down if they feel the return exceeds the value of the pick. Period.
It would be fabulous for the Giants if  
SwirlingEddie : 1/12/2015 3:04 pm : link
one or two teams right behind us are urgent enough to trade up with us to get the QB they want. I just don't expect it to happen.
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JonC : 1/12/2015 3:06 pm : link
You're exhibiting some major backup-itis. Cruz made a compelling case and forced himself into the lineup, he is an exception. If a player isn't on the field, it's because he didn't earn an opportunity and he isn't part of a winning formula.


RE: The reason Nassib has no trade value is TC's fault  
Riggies : 1/12/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12092057 #10* said:
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For better or worse he had chances to put him out there and chose not to. I think at certain points it should be the GM's call because if the kid plays well he could net an extra pick which is a business decision and effects the team long term but now we'll never know.

I hate to say it but same with Washington. TC can say he played poorly on specials all he wants but the fact is come draft day they draft on a receivers capabilities as a receiver not as a special teamer. Which means they could pull the trigger on a guy in the 1st three rounds when they can already have the guy they need on the roster and a pick that could be used elsewhere.

And if you say it was preseason it doesn't mean anything, Cruz made this team mainly for the Jets performance. TC knew from that game he couldn't hide Cruz because other teams made it known they'd go after him. Washington and Nassib won every single pre-season game for the Giants in 2014. You can say it's against backups all you want but coming from behind and winning games in the NFL is not a fluke. And again that comes down to the coach and showcasing his players. It's also one of the reasons Mara was frustrated with the Jernigan situation.


Ryan Lindley once posted a 99.0 passer rating in a preseason, including leading two comebacks.

Next time anyone tries to hold up a preseason performance by a QB as meaning all that much, remember that.
I really didn't mean for this to be a Nassib thread at all.  
AJ23 : 1/12/2015 3:19 pm : link
I meant for it to be about how it seems there are a lot of teams in the QB market this year and whether that increases the possibility of us trading back - and as I said in the post, I wasn't only talking about a 1st round trade.

But if you goons want to jump all over me for throwing Nassib's name out there - I'll play and say I disagree with the idea that Nassib has no trade value.

Most backup QBs in the league have had meaningful experience, and most of those experiences weren't all that great (which is why those QBs remain backups).

Nassib has had no meaningful game experience, sure. But he was a 4th round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft...

So are you saying his 2 years behind Eli Manning have not only made him a worse QB than 2 years ago, but he has no 5th, 6th or 7th round value either? In that case, what QB are we drafting this year guys?
We actually need a young QB whom we feel can take over for Eli  
yatqb : 1/12/2015 3:29 pm : link
if he's hurt or we don't extend him (although that's beyond unlikely). If we like Nassib, why would we trade him?

As for trading down, I think that it all depends upon what few players they are targeting at #9. In the unlikely circumstance that all of those are gone and the next group isn't worthy of that selection, I could see us trading down if offered a reasonable deal. To me the scenario is unlikely, but I wouldn't mind trading down for players like Shelton, Stanley, Flowers or Orchard if we really like one of them.
We haven't seen enough of a ask  
JFIB : 1/12/2015 3:35 pm : link
I think he has potential and may even become the heir apparent. It would suck to trade him away and find out he has what it takes.
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Micko : 1/12/2015 3:38 pm : link
I think Nassib showed enough in pre-season for a team to throw a 3rd pick our way if we were so inclined.
First  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2015 3:42 pm : link
trading down is always an option, but the value needs to be there, as does the team to trade with.

Second, why would we trade Nassib? Having a cheap back up with potential is exactly what I want. We likely don't sign a better back up and if we do, it will cost a lot more money than we pay Nassib. If Manning goes down for anything more than a game or two, our season is over anyway.
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Micko : 1/12/2015 3:47 pm : link
No reason to trade him at all. We need him.
Why?  
djstat : 1/12/2015 3:51 pm : link
Would anyone trade for him? What has he shown? NOTHING
It's unfortunate that the thread degenerated into a Nassib debate.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/12/2015 3:55 pm : link
The main topic of the OP is much more interesting. Clearly, if Mariota and Winston go in the top eight picks, and no other QB (Hundley?) rises to potential top-ten status, the question of a QB-driven trade-down is moot. But if the Giants go on the clock with a red-chip QB available, and they receive interest from teams like the Rams and Browns, I'm sure Reese will listen. I doubt the conversations will come to much, but you never know.
djstat  
Micko : 1/12/2015 3:57 pm : link
I disagree. He looked pretty sharp in pre-season making a big leap from year 1 to year 2. If a team is desperate for a QB and looking to take low-risk chances I could see a trade. The question is what is the value? Probably nothing more than a 3rd round pick or lower so there's no reason for the Giants to let him go.
A 3rd pick?  
djstat : 1/12/2015 4:12 pm : link
Are you crazy? For one pre season? No real game experience? No team is giving up a 3rd round draft choice for that. A 6th maybe
Nassib was nothing when we drafted him  
mdc1 : 1/12/2015 4:20 pm : link
nothing right now, and I suspect he will be nothing tomorrow. Weird thread, although Nassib could ask if he look at other teams if not still on contract. Maybe some of you guys can help him.
we got a 1st rounder from the Broncos for the K  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/12/2015 4:22 pm : link
and the Saints....lets keep our picks
Nassib  
Trainmaster : 1/12/2015 4:51 pm : link
has much more value to the Giants at this point than he does to any other team.

The Giants would need to get a 2nd round pick or better to even consider trading him; no team will give them that.

IF a team was willing to part with a 4th round pick (the most I think any team would part with), the Giants would have to replace Nassib with a more expensive veteran backup and / or spend another pick(s) to replace him; makes no sense.

Nassib isn't going anywhere.

As others have said, IF one of the two QBs is still there at 9 (very, very unlikely), sure the Giants should entertain any and all offers.

The only admittedly remote scenario that is at all credible is the Giants being involved in some three team trade where the Giants #9 overall pick is involved in other teams move up and down.
I still don't get these threads about Nassib or trades  
Matt M. : 1/12/2015 5:06 pm : link
First, Nassib has little trade value to other teams. nobody is giving a #1 or #2 for him, so why trade him? Second, the Giants are outside of the spots where the only 2 blue chip QBs will go in a weak QB draft. There is nobody left for another team to trade up for in the first round. So, how the Hell are we helping anyone at the QB position?
RE: I really didn't mean for this to be a Nassib thread at all.  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2015 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12092119 AJ23 said:
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So are you saying his 2 years behind Eli Manning have not only made him a worse QB than 2 years ago, but he has no 5th, 6th or 7th round value either? In that case, what QB are we drafting this year guys?


Quarterbacks are not wine. You don't plant them somewhere for a few years while they get better. If they don't play nobody is trading anything of value for him, and playing him this year made no sense.

He is our backup, and will be again next year. No trade.
To get back on point a bit I believe the Jets are a big key to what  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2015 6:09 pm : link
happens with the QB's. When the Jets pick at six the two top QB's could be gone forcing the Jets to look toward round two for a QB. I think the Jets will want to trade down at six to gather some extra picks. This will help them trade back up from round two into the latter part of round one to get their QB. Now thats pure speculation on my part, but isn't that the point of this thread.
I would never spend a 4th round pick on a player  
#10* : 1/12/2015 6:11 pm : link
I hope never sees the field. I would coach up a 6th or 7th round QB. If my starter went down I'd try to trade for another backup if my project backup wasn't working out. The Giants traded up (4th & 6th rd pick)to get a player that may never see the field. He's likely going to leave after his contract to try to start elsewhere. My definition of money out the window.

IMHO rounds 1-5 you should be trying to hit on starters. 6th & 7th for developmental players.

To the thread topic if they trade down for a deal I hope no lower than the 15th pick if they get great trade value in this draft not just the next.

To answer your two questions:  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2015 6:12 pm : link
No and no. Reese just doesn't roll the dice that way. Someone would have to virtually blow him away with an offer in my opinion.
Washington & Nassib  
Dragon : 1/12/2015 6:40 pm : link
Were both pawns in the fight to save TC job and the failure to learn anything about these players. Ogletree was used instead of Washington when he most likely will not even see camp this year for us. So as of today we only know that Washington can't play special teams well enough for TC, but the guy even play WR is still a mystery.

Nassib once the season was over should have seen the field in the second halves of games if the great record of Eli consecutive starts needed to be maintained. However there was absolutely no reason this guy should not have played in these meaningless games at some point. Even if you don't want to trade him you needed to get a real feel for what this guy can do if called upon.
Yes, wgenesis  
AJ23 : 1/12/2015 6:48 pm : link
That is the point of the thread. Lol
Nassib  
blue42 : 1/12/2015 7:23 pm : link
may prove to be a good player someday but this idea that teams are looking to pry him away from the Giants is crazy. Based on what? 2 qtrs of play in pre-season?
maybe Marrone wanted Nassib afterall  
SHO'NUFF : 1/12/2015 7:49 pm : link
and the rift with management started when they drafted Manuel.
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Micko : 1/12/2015 8:33 pm : link
Everyone has their own opinion but I know what I saw on the field in pre-season. Nassib made major strides from year 1 to year 2 and he looks like he could have an opportunity to flourish in this system. If I can see it then other NFL teams obviously see it. He has another big pre-season and watch what will happen.
RE: Will the Vikings really be taking another QB?  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 1/13/2015 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12092063 Andy in Halifax said:
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Not sure I'd bank on that.


I think you are being too kind. Why on earth would the Viking draft a qb? Bridgewater had a very strong rookie campaign and gave every indication of a promising future.

I also don't agree that these teams will be looking to take a qb in the first round:

Dolphins - pretty set with Tannehill. He is not elite, but he is top half, even if he has no deep ball (how much of that is OL)?

Eagles - Sanchez and Foles have limitations, but they took Barkley recently

Cardinals - I think it's pretty likely Palmer comes back. I understand it's an ACL, but he's a pocket passer. Although not sure he will be ready for training camp and the early part of the season, I think they are going to stick with Stanton and/or pick up a FA. They are in a win now mode, and not sure they will want to roll with a rookie who is not a top pick.

Browns - As bad as Manziel looks, I don't think they can give up on him this soon and spend another first round pick (multiple picks to trade up) to draft a QB. OTOH, they have other pieces in place that if they had even an average qb under center, they would be playoff caliber. They were almost that this year with Hoyer.
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