Does Spags signing increase the chances of DE in 1st?

the DE's that will be available at 9 will fit our scheme well. Seems like the guys who will be available then are more 3-4 guys.

If an OL is rated high enough on our board i think that will be the pick. Everyone on WFAN yesterday kept emphasizing more then any other position how they needed to upgrade the OL

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I could see the LB or safety. We just need a talented player though. I think this move really increases the chances of keeping JPP.

I wouldn't mind Landon Collins if he lasted to us, he seems like a real player.

In comment 12095831 MookGiants said:

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the DE's that will be available at 9 will fit our scheme well. Seems like the guys who will be available then are more 3-4 guys. If an OL is rated high enough on our board i think that will be the pick. Everyone on WFAN yesterday kept emphasizing more then any other position how they needed to upgrade the OL

Exactly on the DE question. I'm ok with a OL but I don't think the need is as dire as most. Beatty, Richburg, Schwartz and Pugh and all legitimate starters. One more FA of similar talent would make a viable OL.

I don't think the draft lines up well for us at #9. No 4/3 DE, no safety, no DT, no need or pick at CB. Maybe a WR? Parker is a fit.

Unless Gregory falls can't see them taking a DE. I'm hoping it increases the chances of them taking Shaquille Thompson, whose all out, sideline to sideline game may have appeal to Spagnolo.

it increases the chances of keeping players without a role.

I hate to suggest this, but I'm sure he's confident he can make Kiwinuka a player.

In comment 12095836 robbieballs2003 said:

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I could see the LB or safety. We just need a talented player though. I think this move really increases the chances of keeping JPP.

The Giants aren't letting JPP walk and never were. They'll franchise him if they have to

In comment 12095881 feelflows said:

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it increases the chances of keeping players without a role. I hate to suggest this, but I'm sure he's confident he can make Kiwinuka a player.

I certainly hope not. Kiwanuka has a fork sticking out of his back

I totally agree.

I also think there are players that under produced because of scheme.

it sounded like they are going to take a mauler OT like schreff. His stock could rise by the time the draft comes but it will either be an OT DE or LB.

In comment 12095836 robbieballs2003 said:

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I could see the LB or safety. We just need a talented player though. I think this move really increases the chances of keeping JPP.

+1. Spags got quite a bit of increased production from our Dline vs. Tim Lewis. Not to mention the wonders he did with Corey Webster.

JPP, Moore,Hankins, Kennard,Prince, DRC, Rolle (to a lesser contract), that is a pretty darn good core with Reese likely to add more via draft and FA.

Excited to see what Spags can do with those pieces.

Will Spags try to bring Wil Hill back to Big Blue??

In comment 12095938 Jolly_Blue_Giant said:

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In comment 12095836 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: I could see the LB or safety. We just need a talented player though. I think this move really increases the chances of keeping JPP. +1. Spags got quite a bit of increased production from our Dline vs. Tim Lewis. Not to mention the wonders he did with Corey Webster. JPP, Moore,Hankins, Kennard,Prince, DRC, Rolle (to a lesser contract), that is a pretty darn good core with Reese likely to add more via draft and FA. Excited to see what Spags can do with those pieces.

Why don't you just come back as JerseyJoe and stop hiding under new handles, Joe?

In comment 12095941 Fishmanjim57 said:

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Will Spags try to bring Wil Hill back to Big Blue??

Imagine that? Problem is, Will said he needed to get away from this area due to problems with the old crowd he used to hang with.

has said, the best thing for him was to leave NJ and where he grew up.

In comment 12095832 Big Blue '56 said:

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"We always like to keep all out options open."
-Broken Record Reese

It has to come down to the best player at either side of the lines... OL or DL. I think right now the most important need is the O-line. I think they should address that in free agency though. I rather not have another rookie starting on the line with all the young linemen we have right now. I'd rather find an established dominant O-linemen in FA and then draft a pass rusher in the first round. I don't know what's available in FA yet so its kind of a bland statement I'm making. But I'd rather find a stud tackle in FA then slide Pugh into guard. So we have more veteran presence on the O-line. If we can't find a top end O-linemen in FA then I think we have to draft one in the first round. I don't think we can wait til round 2 if that's the case.

In comment 12095991 DeVito 32 said:

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It has to come down to the best player at either side of the lines... OL or DL. I think right now the most important need is the O-line. I think they should address that in free agency though. I rather not have another rookie starting on the line with all the young linemen we have right now. I'd rather find an established dominant O-linemen in FA and then draft a pass rusher in the first round. I don't know what's available in FA yet so its kind of a bland statement I'm making. But I'd rather find a stud tackle in FA then slide Pugh into guard. So we have more veteran presence on the O-line. If we can't find a top end O-linemen in FA then I think we have to draft one in the first round. I don't think we can wait til round 2 if that's the case.

agree

the top 2 picks will be a DE and a OT

take your pick of the order

2015 ... and IMO the defense is so devoid of talent that it just can't be fixed in one year unless the next LT is in this draft and somehow falls to the Giants

Absent that, the best chance of winning is to push all your chips into the pot and bet big time on the offense. Beckham is a once in a generation. special player. I would put every new asset into surrounding Beckham with enough talent that the offense is unstoppable.

Add the following:
1. A solid threat at WR. Right now that is the biggest need (anyone counting on Cruz is nuts - maybe he has the best year of his career, but betting the season on that is just crazy)
2. OL in FA
3. RB

And a TE would be nice. But, at the end of the day the Giants need a solid running game and a WR to go with Beckham and Randle. Accomplish that and I predict the 2015 Giants break every single season offensive record in the Giants record book.

if merely middle of the pack
and we get one olineman
we can win

Dont look like fits for us...

To me TE equals big first downs and red zone touchdowns. Since TE's get beat up pretty regular in Coughlin/Eli Manning offenses, perhaps two good TE's are needed. Reese loves playmakers but both lines need repair to step up and compete at a higher level. Good luck to Spags, but I am hoping he makes his own luck.

at the East-West Shrine game
Link - ( New Window )

...I'd say the offense has to carry the team next season with the defense being "just good enough" to get us into the 4th quarter either with either a lead or within striking distance.

Having said that, we should go with a road grader OL selection first...but yes, Spags coming may change that.

and, as others wrote, there doesn't appear to be many NYG-type 4-3 DEs in the mix at #9.

you might have a great DT or even an NT sitting there,

which is fine, if there is (and I have not looked at this myself, comment please) he would make the DEs we have...and those we draft in 2,3, 4 or what have you

better

welcome to the era of 'multiple ' type DLs

Alvin Dupree
Kentucky
DE
2015
6-4 267 4.63
*Shilique Calhoun
Michigan State
DE
2015
6-4 257 4.72
Nate Orchard
Utah
DE
2015
6-4 255 4.76
*Danielle Hunter
LSU
DE
2015
6-6 240 4.68
*Arik Armstead
Oregon
DE
2015
6-7 296 4.97
*Mario Edwards Jr.
Florida State
DE
2015
6-3 294 4.88
*DeForest Buckner
Oregon
DE
2015
6-6 286 4.89
Markus Golden
Missouri
DE
2015
6-3 260 4.72
Trey Flowers
Arkansas
DE
2015
6-3 270 4.82
*Eli Harold Virginia
DE
2015
6-4 235 4.73
Owamagbe Odighizuwa
UCLA
DE
2015
6-3 270 4.79
Preston Smith
Mississippi State
DE
2015
6-5 270 4.92
*Devonte Fields
TCU
DE
2015
6-4 250 4.74
Za'Darius Smith
Kentucky
DE
2015
6-5 264 4.84
Cedric Reed
Texas
DE
2015
6-6 271 4.89
Corey Crawford Clemson
DE
2015
6-5 270 4.83
Henry Anderson
Stanford
DE
2015
6-6 295 5.06
C.J. Olaniyan
Penn State
DE
2015
6-3 252 4.82
Anthony Chickillo
Miami (Fla.)
DE
2015
6-4 282 4.84
Shaquille Riddick West Virginia
DE
2015
6-5 242 4.82
Jermauria Rasco
LSU
DE
2015
6-3 247 4.84
James Rouse Marshall
DE
2015
6-5 270 4.93
Zach Wagenmann Montana
DE
2015
6-4 250 4.87
Brian Mihalik Boston College
DE
2015
6-9 288 4.96
Cory Morrissey Iowa State
DE
2015
6-4 260 4.86
Ray Drew
Georgia
DE
2015
6-4 284 4.79
Ryan Russell
Purdue
DE
2015
6-4 273 4.89
Martin Ifedi Memphis
DE
2015
6-3 265 4.87
Brock Hekking Nevada
DE
2015
6-4 255 4.65
Ryan Mueller
Kansas State
DE
2015
6-2 245 4.84
Ishaq Williams
Notre Dame
DE
2015
6-4 271 4.87
Blake Lueders Stanford
DE
2015
6-5 260 4.89
Marcus Rush Michigan State
DE
2015
6-2 255 4.86
B.J. Larsen Utah State
DE
2015
6-5 275 4.96
Tavaris Barnes Clemson
DE
2015
6-4 275 4.87