for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NJ.com: Spagnuolo hiring reeks of desperation for Giants

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/16/2015 9:07 am
FYI.
Why the Steve Spagnuolo hiring reeks of desperation for Giants - ( New Window )
Pages: 1 2 3 <<Prev | Show All |
RE: STRONGLY DISAGREE.  
cdrusnret : 1/16/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12096323 x meadowlander said:
Quote:
Not that I think Spags means instant success (Strahan, Tuck, Cofield, Pierce and Osi had something to do with that), but to me, this is a NO-BRAINER.

Don't forget, Spags wasn't just DC for the 07' run, he was also DC in 08' - the best year of the Coughlin regime. He has proven that when he has the players, he can build a winner.

How people can spin this negatively is beyond me. So he wasn't a good head coach. Big deal.

Thrilled to have him back. :D


I don't dislike the Spags hiring, but I don't agree that this was a no brainer. They could easily have justified waiting for the 49ers HC decision, knowing if it wasn't Fangio he'd leave... which he did... and is now interviewing for DC in DC, which is not good for the Giants. There has been no more successful DC over the past four years than Fangio, with his defenses consistently finishing near the top of the league. That would have been a brainer. But, apparently he wasn't the right guy for TC. But to say the best DC in the league by relevant metrics was not an option, that the only brainer was Spags... I don't get it.
Spags  
Thegratefulhead : 1/16/2015 11:32 am : link
If we retain our DBs and they are healthy, Spags will produce a ton of QB pressure with creative blitzing and he has the intelligence to make changes during the game that Fewell lacked. This is a great hire and the perfect move for us. If our goal is to try to win next year with this defense, I believe Spags gives us the best chance by a large margin over any other DC on the market. I like Pepper and if the circumstance were different I would be more than willing to roll the dice, he fiery, I like him.
It's only a no brainer if you don't really follow the NFL overall  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2015 11:34 am : link
There are certainly DCs available with a more recent, better track record.

I'm not unhappy with the move, but you can say that Fangio and Schwartz and LeBeau were highly capable and qualified options.
RE: It's only a no brainer if you don't really follow the NFL overall  
Thegratefulhead : 1/16/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12096723 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
There are certainly DCs available with a more recent, better track record.

I'm not unhappy with the move, but you can say that Fangio and Schwartz and LeBeau were highly capable and qualified options.


They are highly qualified and capable options, TC has to win next year. he has personal experience with Spags, Spags can hit the ground running and I believe Spags will turn Moore into a weapon without exposing us to the run. I think the other candidates would be good, I think Sapgs will be perfect for us at this time. We shall see.
Questioning the hire is the smart call for any writer.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/16/2015 11:41 am : link
You don't generate many clicks by parroting the company line. Besides, considering the personnel deficiencies on defense, Spagnuolo could be in for a tough year no matter how brilliant he is, and no matter how much he has learned since 2012.
RE: RE: I just can't stand  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12096515 JordanRaanan said:
Quote:
In comment 12096410 UConn4523 said:


Quote:


boisterous remarks with no real way to prove his own opinion. Look no further than here:

"They have backed themselves into a corner. Coughlin and the Giants always preach patience and stability. They don't seem to have either now.

Overall, this all seems so slapped together. There's an offensive coordinator entering his second year with the team, a defensive coordinator entering his first year, a roster that was completely turned over last offseason and a head coach who needs to win to keep his job. That's hardly a recipe for success."

He's leaving out how we have a drastically approved offense that lost Cruz and still under-performed on the OL. Why would year 2 for McAdoo be a knock going into the 2015 season?



Glad to see the forum back up and appreciate everyone reading. You're more than entitled to disagree with my opinions. That is why it's fun.

But you want proof to validate my comments? Who has ever built a winning team this way? Giants have fairly new OC, new/old DC, long-time head coach, are coming off three straight seasons w/out playoffs and have mandate to make playoffs this year.

Hence the word "desperation" to try and make it work this season. It's a knock on the situation as a whole more than the Spags hiring. This was just the final inevitable move.


That question isn't what your article is about. Regardless of who we pick as the DC, the exact scenario is the same. Again, I really don't know what your point is. TC IS back, McAdoo DID succeed and IS back, and Fewell IS gone. Your article starts off about this being a desperation hire then you pivot into how any team can win with this pattern of new coaches. Its very confusing.
,  
arcarsenal : 1/16/2015 11:46 am : link
I wasn't one of the people screaming for Spags to come back but now that it's done, I support it and am fully behind him and think he can do a good job.

Fangio, LeBeau, etc. were never going to be options. The personnel overhaul would take time and TC doesn't have that.

I don't think this is nearly as "desperate" as some writers seem to think. I think it's something that just lined up and made a lot of sense.

That said, he's got to hope his personnel situation is a bit better than what we finished the year with. That's not going to cut it.
It's like....  
damdevs : 1/16/2015 11:49 am : link
he thinks that these coaches have forgotten how to coach and have no clue. Jesus that was terrible...what an assclown!
I Like The Spags Rehire  
Trainmaster : 1/16/2015 11:49 am : link
We have to caution ourselves to be realistic and don't assume this will be 2007 version 2.0.

The Giants have excellent press / man to man corners. Spags seemed to thrive with that personnel while it appears Fewell wasted those abilities.

The Giants have had issues getting the right personnel on the field in obvious third down passing situations. Spags was able to utilize the "Four Aces" and other formations to maximize the DL pass rush. I'm hoping he'll find better way to utilize Moore, Hankins, Ayers and JPP (if he's still here).

The Giants have had mostly unimaginative, inefficient blitz packages under Fewell. Spags showed an ability to be very innovative in his blitz packages and should be able to better utilize Kennard and maybe some of the safeties and corners to improve our blitz effectiveness.

I'm optimistic.
These will be fun to re-read after next season  
ZogZerg : 1/16/2015 11:50 am : link
Why all of the sudden is Spagd not qualified when he was the hottest DC going after both the 2007 and 2008 seasons?

Why isn't it a good thing that the Giants were able to get him back?
RE: RE: Lebeau went to a Super Bowl with the Steelers as a DC in '95  
baadbill : 1/16/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12096533 JordanRaanan said:
Quote:
In comment 12096475 sjnyfan said:


Quote:


left in '96 only to come back 8 years later and win two Super Bowls in Pittsburgh. Just sayin' Raanan



Valid point. It's not that I don't think it can be done. But '03 was Steelers' 1 blip on radar. They went 15-1 in '04. Anything think '15 Giants are comparable to '04 Steelers? They're coming off 3 seasons with no postseason and so much overhaul in past 2 years. Spags would absolutely be the right move if I thought this team was on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender.


Why would Spags be the right move if they were a contender but not otherwise?
I think as a whole  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2015 11:56 am : link
its very lazy to think this was desperation. Its super easy to criticize, and very hard to back up a statement like that.

Its not like we swung and missed on a top DC on the market and had to relegate to option 3 or 4. Atlteast to my knowledge this didn't happen.

Maybe he doesn't work out. But i'm fully confident that our FO thinks he can get the job done.
I don't see desperation at all  
Matt M. : 1/16/2015 11:59 am : link
First of all, the writer alludes to the notion that both Spags and Sullivan are still good coaches. If that is the case, then nothing else matters.
Sour Grapes from a Whining Drama Queen  
clarkie02360 : 1/16/2015 12:01 pm : link
because he didn't have the story from the start. Eric's the Man when it comes to breaking news!
Jim johnson disciples  
t.fred : 1/16/2015 12:01 pm : link
sorry if slightly off topic but besides spagnuolo, what other defensive coordinators worked under johnson 43with the eagles, available now or not? i know the eagles defenses under johnson seemed to brutalize us, and spags was successful here in the nfc east before...
Obviously Mr. Raanan  
old man : 1/16/2015 12:06 pm : link
preferred another candidate, to reach for a word like 'desperate' on a known DC quantity.
sitting in Ranaan's trash bin  
fkap : 1/16/2015 12:11 pm : link
is the article he wrote deriding the Giants for not hiring Spags. be prepared for all possibilities.

Lots of head coaches put together a staff with familiarity (coaches they've worked with in the past) being part of the equation. IF TC were starting over again with a new team and brought in Spags as his DC, no one would give it a second thought.
I would have rather someone new  
SomeFan : 1/16/2015 12:12 pm : link
I don't like his recent performances.
here are some pts regarding what could work w / spags  
idiotsavant : 1/16/2015 12:19 pm : link
1. was at ravens, who (still?) like to use 2x NT, which is very different from spags 4x skinny. both have worked at times, obviously, but 4x skinny may need to be updated, as, while we loved the effect at the time, it can be run on.

being able to do versions of both effectively, as well as many other set -ups, could really light this team on fire. you can bet he has his marching orders.

2. allow him to return to DL centric football. he will likely use a defensive back scheme that suits a big / dynamic front, and possibly a wider front as well.

3. hopefully shows that the teams draft crew will throw him a few bones come draft time.

loved the idea of Pepper also hopefully they can bring him in as well.
I actually thought this was more a case of being smart  
montanagiant : 1/16/2015 12:28 pm : link
With the hire.

You obviously don't want to bring in someone with a completely different view of what TC wants the Defense to be. At the same time you want as little change with regard to the logistics of a new DC coach. Sapgs is already extremely familiar with how TC runs things, so that cuts out a shit load of stuff that has to be learned and speeds the process of fixing this mess
Desperate? No?  
Doomster : 1/16/2015 12:30 pm : link
Fact that they waited so long? Yes....

This defense could not continue to go down the same path another year....change had to be made....I think the Giants are still in that win now attitude, rather than build for a future....they are taking short cuts, with personnel and coaches....will it pay off? Only time will tell....
@JordanRaanan  
81_Great_Dane : 1/16/2015 12:41 pm : link
In comment 12096533 JordanRaanan said:
Quote:
Valid point. It's not that I don't think it can be done. But '03 was Steelers' 1 blip on radar. They went 15-1 in '04. Anything think '15 Giants are comparable to '04 Steelers? They're coming off 3 seasons with no postseason and so much overhaul in past 2 years. Spags would absolutely be the right move if I thought this team was on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender.


Reporter to reporter: Never read the comments. Never, never, ever. Because, well, you know. We all break that rule. We all regret it.

It seems perfectly sane to me for Coughlin to go back to guys he knows, trusts and has had success with for what is likely to be the end of his run with the Giants. If things go badly, the team will clean house in a year anyway. If things go well, then everybody will be happy and TC will get to go out more or less on his own terms.

It seems to me the danger is: What happens if they get to mediocrity? What if the defense improves to, say, 20th in the league -- better but still not good? What if they finish 2015, say, 9-7, just making the playoffs, then are one-and-done? Or 10-6 but missing the playoffs (like the Eagles in 2014)? Then what?

If they go 9-7 and make the playoffs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2015 12:45 pm : link
Tom C would come back. I find it unthinkable that Mara would can him after that.

They do not want to have to fire TC. They will look for every possible avenue before that. At least that part of your post seems very cut and dried to me.
RE: If they go 9-7 and make the playoffs  
81_Great_Dane : 1/16/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12096935 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
Tom C would come back. I find it unthinkable that Mara would can him after that.

They do not want to have to fire TC. They will look for every possible avenue before that. At least that part of your post seems very cut and dried to me.
I guess. But that's the trap they've been in. Just good enough to save TC's job, almost never dominant. Those two Lombardis are worth it, but the regular-season mediocrity is getting old.
This move was not desperate  
geemanfan : 1/16/2015 1:49 pm : link
It was a move to get right back in the mix. Tom has had success with him, they work well together. They have drafted together. More of a no brainier .
A big upside to Spags' return after failing  
BlueLou : 1/16/2015 1:58 pm : link
rather badly in St Louis and Nawlins, is that THIS time he's less likely to bolt after a good season or two. He has experienced "the grass is not always greener". Fangio jumped ship because he was not given an HC job? No way the Giants, especially TC, wanted to hire a DC hot to bolt after some success. IMO, I still see TC riding into the sunset together with Eli, and hopefully that's still a few years down the road.
I think media critics of the Spags choice are missing the point  
BlackLight : 1/16/2015 2:37 pm : link
Coughlin's in a 'win-or-else' year. It makes sense that he'd want a DC with whom he's comfortable working. That's one fewer variable. Players are more likely to buy in to the new defense, given that he's succeeded here previously. That's worth something too.

If you want Coughlin to be here beyond 2015, Spags is (on paper) the smart choice. Now, it may turn out that we simply don't have the talent to really compete, and one off-season isn't enough time to overhaul. In which case, probably everyone gets fired next January. But that doesn't invalidate the wisdom of hiring back Spags now.

I agree with  
Burt in Alameda : 1/16/2015 4:51 pm : link
comments that you should not be criticized for hiring someone you know especially if the person was successful and you did not want him to leave. We can't be certain regarding whether Coughlin was right to hire Spags, but I think he was the best option.
I like the Spags move... heck I never wanted him to leave in the first  
DeVito 32 : 1/16/2015 8:35 pm : link
place, but I can see how it looks that way. He was prob the choice even though they interviewed other candidates. He really hasn't had a good track record since he left.

I'm kind of baffled that they didn't even try to interview Fangio, Schwartz, Lebeau since they were easily the the best and most experienced DC's on the market. I mean not even an interview? I don't get it
the entire premise of that article is faulty...  
Torrag : 1/16/2015 8:53 pm : link
...and just plain dumb. The Giants won a Superbowl with Spags. He coached a top 10 defense both his seasons with the team. It was a successful working and more importantly in sports a winning relationship. Was Spags the only good hire the organization could have made? No. Was he clearly a very good option? Definitely yes.
Desperation  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 1/16/2015 8:59 pm : link
is an excellent motivator.

Is the talent there? We'll see.

I just hope for fewer uncontested long passes.
.  
Del Shofner : 1/16/2015 9:02 pm : link
Not a very well-written or well-reasoned article.

"Reeks of desperation"? Please. It may or may not work out great, but I don't think it "reeks" much less of "desperation." It is fair to say that TC is giving it one more try with other coaches he knows.
RE: RE: Lebeau went to a Super Bowl with the Steelers as a DC in '95  
WeatherMan : 1/16/2015 9:23 pm : link
Quote:
JordanRaanan said:
Spags would absolutely be the right move if I thought this team was on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender.

First off, nice to see a reporter standing up and commenting here, welcome. Grabbing your last sentence here, I'd posit that given the state of the game and the depressed level of league-wide talent forced by the parity of the cap era, that for many teams it doesn't take much to be on the verge of contention. Given another piece on the OL and a rise to even league-average defense and this is a team capable of making a run given that it already has an elite QB, a staff that's been there, and one of the most dynamic young playmakers the league has seen in the last decade. We were bad this year, and yet hung with Dallas twice, who were a tough play away from the conference championship game. There's just not that much difference between the top teams and the next tier anymore.
Weatherman-  
drkenneth : 1/16/2015 9:35 pm : link
Completely agree. I don't understand the doom and gloom here...arrow is pointing up.
the biggest difference to me  
WeatherMan : 1/16/2015 9:44 pm : link
is that when I look at the good teams, I don't see great teams - and it's a helluva lot easier to jump from bad to good than it is from bad to great. TC and Eli with a healthy team have proven all they have to do is get in it to have a great shot to win it.
Some of you need to really think about this..  
EricJ : 1/16/2015 10:26 pm : link
and stop wondering why the Giants went with Spags. The comments about why are really amazing. It is fairly simple..
1. He had success here already.
2. Although it was a disaster in St Louis, he potentially could replace TC down the road
3. There is familiarity and a comfort level between TC and Spags and the rest of the organization.
4. The Giants also know they would get fan support. (for the most part).
5. With Spags being available, if the Giants went in another direction (ie Pepper) and the defense was garbage again, then all you would hear is WE COULD HAVE HAD SPAGS. From a fan standpoint, they HAD to hire him especially if it eventually got out that he wanted the job. We would have killed the Giants for not hiring him.

Now, regarding the title of the NJ.com article. You bet your ass the Giants are desperate. This team sucks right now. The fans and BBI are probably more desperate.
RE: RE: RE: Lebeau went to a Super Bowl with the Steelers as a DC in '95  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/16/2015 11:10 pm : link
In comment 12097921 WeatherMan said:
Quote:


Quote:


JordanRaanan said:
Spags would absolutely be the right move if I thought this team was on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender.


First off, nice to see a reporter standing up and commenting here, welcome. Grabbing your last sentence here, I'd posit that given the state of the game and the depressed level of league-wide talent forced by the parity of the cap era, that for many teams it doesn't take much to be on the verge of contention. Given another piece on the OL and a rise to even league-average defense and this is a team capable of making a run given that it already has an elite QB, a staff that's been there, and one of the most dynamic young playmakers the league has seen in the last decade. We were bad this year, and yet hung with Dallas twice, who were a tough play away from the conference championship game. There's just not that much difference between the top teams and the next tier anymore.


Not only is the arrow pointing up we can make the playoffs next year and maybe more. We now have 2 coordinators who give the personnel a much better chance to succeed.
"Reeks of desperation" is an awful description.  
Phil in Joisey : 1/17/2015 12:11 am : link
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Personally I like hiring Spagnuolo a second time. Obviously the author doesn't care for it....but "reeks of desperation" is ridiculous. Why in the world is hiring someone you had success with previously a desperate move. Okay, maybe the old "you can't go home again" adage has some validity....but this is far from a desperate move. Trying my best to be objective I'd call it the common sense move.
Whose crystal ball is clear...  
dguy901 : 1/17/2015 10:40 am : link
and not cloudy at this point. Lest we forget, Spag's bombed in Cleveland when he left the Giants, filled in for the hapless Saints when Peyton was suspended and wound-up as an assistant DC. I understand how reluctant Mara is to fire a (2) time SB winning HC but, I think the writing is on the wall. That creates a very tenuous situation which requires incredible foresight which, I believe, Mara has shown. I believe the situation is TC leaves at the end of this season, they have a 2nd year OC and a new DC. Any new HC would want his choice of coaching staff unless he comes up from within. I feel Spags (if he has success) or McAdoo will be the HC next year. It appears to be the only logical option. JMHO.
Unless TC unexpectedly vacates the HC position in 2015  
81_Great_Dane : 1/17/2015 5:56 pm : link
we have to remember that the situation will be very different when he does.

If Spags fixes the defense, his credentials will be burnished and he will be a legitimate candidate for HC whenever TC steps down -- which presumably won't be soon, since a fixed defense would extend his tenure.

If Spags doesn't fix the defense, there'll probably be a complete changing of the guard in a year anyway.

And we have all of the 2015 season to see how McAdoo's offense does. That could go either way. Again, if he succeeds, he's probably a HC candidate.
I don't agree with the premise entirely  
arniefez : 1/17/2015 6:50 pm : link
but I think it's more than fair to question the competence of any coach who has been bad since the lockout and probably unable to adjust to the new CBA. The Giants head coach might be #1 on that list. Spags might have the same problem.
RE: I don't agree with the premise entirely  
baadbill : 1/17/2015 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12098536 arniefez said:
Quote:
but I think it's more than fair to question the competence of any coach who has been bad since the lockout and probably unable to adjust to the new CBA. The Giants head coach might be #1 on that list. Spags might have the same problem.


Huh? Are you talking limitation on practice sessions? Instead of making us guess, can you expound a bit? Thanks.
RE: RE: RE: Lebeau went to a Super Bowl with the Steelers as a DC in '95  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/17/2015 7:14 pm : link
In comment 12096671 sjnyfan said:
Quote:
In comment 12096533 JordanRaanan said:


Quote:


In comment 12096475 sjnyfan said:


Quote:


left in '96 only to come back 8 years later and win two Super Bowls in Pittsburgh. Just sayin' Raanan



Valid point. It's not that I don't think it can be done. But '03 was Steelers' 1 blip on radar. They went 15-1 in '04. Anything think '15 Giants are comparable to '04 Steelers? They're coming off 3 seasons with no postseason and so much overhaul in past 2 years. Spags would absolutely be the right move if I thought this team was on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender.



Do I think they'll go 15-1? No, although it would be nice (as long as a ring went with it). Do I think they can win and be a contender next season? Yes. The Steelers in '04 went from 15th in scoring under Tim Lewis, who we know all too well, to 1st under LeBeau with roughly the same defense. Can we expect such a meteoric rise? Again, no but I think it's fair to say that the average Giants fan sees the difference in what Spags can do vs. what we got out of Fewell for five years. Simply put, it's an upgrade and that's what we needed.

I think a better comparison would be the Cowboys. They missed the playoffs for three straight seasons and three straight 8-8 records. With the change from Kiffin to Marinelli they went from 26th in scoring to 15th. Perfect? No. Holes in the defense? Yes. But improvements attached with a more balanced offense took them from an average team to within a controversial call of making the NFC championship. Bringing back Spags is a good call.


+1. I am a bit higher than most on our core talent on D and I think we will see that talent translate on the field in a much better Spags system. Couple that with a coordinator on the other side of the ball who has a much more user-friendly offense, I think we are in for a big rebound next year.

RE: Questioning the hire is the smart call for any writer.  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/17/2015 7:16 pm : link
In comment 12096737 Big Blue Blogger said:
Quote:
You don't generate many clicks by parroting the company line. Besides, considering the personnel deficiencies on defense, Spagnuolo could be in for a tough year no matter how brilliant he is, and no matter how much he has learned since 2012.


We weren't talent deficient as much as we were system deficient.
RE: RE: I don't agree with the premise entirely  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/17/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12098544 baadbill said:
Quote:
In comment 12098536 arniefez said:


Quote:


but I think it's more than fair to question the competence of any coach who has been bad since the lockout and probably unable to adjust to the new CBA. The Giants head coach might be #1 on that list. Spags might have the same problem.



Huh? Are you talking limitation on practice sessions? Instead of making us guess, can you expound a bit? Thanks.


When you run a much more complex offense and defense like we did under Gilbride and Fewell, the lesser practice time hits you 2X as hard.

Both Spags system and MacAdoo's system are much easier to grasp.
It was Coughlin's call  
GiantJake : 1/17/2015 8:18 pm : link
and he knows and likes Spags. It's as simple as that.
I don't understand why Ranaan is assuming  
Ira : 1/17/2015 8:43 pm : link
that this was a case of the team desperatly looking to the past instead of their thinking that Spags was the best option. I don't always agree with Mara/Reese/Coughlin, but I know that they aren't stupid.
There are a lot of intangibles in football...  
cdrusnret : 1/17/2015 9:08 pm : link
so while it's arguable and defensible on the performance measures that Vic Fangio would have been a more justifiable selection from a perspective of consistently superior performance as DC over the past 4 years, the Giants defensive players, the HC, the owners, the fans... they know what he did here before. It was magical, and improbable. Are they looking to recapture lightning in a bottle? Maybe. Maybe the unspoken message with Spags is you can believe in his system, not on blind faith, but because he asked a Giants defensive unit to believe in the system before, and everyone knows the rest of the story. Sure, different players, different times under different rules... everything's different. Can't be turned around. 29th is just too bad to get better too soon. Maybe. But the players see Spags over there on the sidelines, and he did it before...
RE: There are a lot of intangibles in football...  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/17/2015 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12098677 cdrusnret said:
Quote:
so while it's arguable and defensible on the performance measures that Vic Fangio would have been a more justifiable selection from a perspective of consistently superior performance as DC over the past 4 years, the Giants defensive players, the HC, the owners, the fans... they know what he did here before. It was magical, and improbable. Are they looking to recapture lightning in a bottle? Maybe. Maybe the unspoken message with Spags is you can believe in his system, not on blind faith, but because he asked a Giants defensive unit to believe in the system before, and everyone knows the rest of the story. Sure, different players, different times under different rules... everything's different. Can't be turned around. 29th is just too bad to get better too soon. Maybe. But the players see Spags over there on the sidelines, and he did it before...


I tend to believe his system really fits the players Reese has a propensity to draft and bring in via FA. Big, fast, athletic these guys should be attacking not playing too much read and react and complicated zone switching.

It will be exciting to see what he does round 2. I think Reese will fortify around the D core with a couple more nice pieces too.
One thing is for sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/18/2015 6:46 am : link
JerseyJoe (Jolly_Blue) is setting the stage to pummel BBI with a gazillion posts about the greatness of the D before April even gets here.

Fuck us all.
Pages: 1 2 3 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner