Updated Jan 14, it differs from the
CBS Sportsline Prospect Rankings (which were updated on Jan 12) despite the fact that they are from the same website. One notable difference is that Rang includes Anakim's favorite, Chris Hackett, in his top 50, whereas the Prospect Rankings have him at #141 overall.
My favorite prospect heading into the Senior Bowl practices is Randy Gregory, but there is little chance he will fall within striking range of the Giants pick....
Gregory is the country's elite edge defender. From a two- or three-point stance, he's a natural pass rusher with an explosive get-off, flexibility, long arms and active hands and the tenacious style of play (including against the run) that will endear him to coaches. |
The prospect that I like best who is likely to still be available when the Giants select is La'el Collins...
Collins doesn't get the national attention of other tackles in this class, but the big man is surprisingly agile in pass protection and is a mauler in the running game. |
Rang's top 50 (32+18) - (
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A lot depends on who is available when we pick but right now I think too many people are trying to match talent with need along the OL and it seems like a reach to me. I think I'd rather have Cooper or White at WR. I like Danny Shelton at DT. I'm not sure of the DEs available because they are more tweeners. I have to do research on the S from Alabama. I don't know about Shaq Thompson because he did have Shelton keeping him clean. He seems very light to me. He is a play maker but I feel he needs people areound him to make him great as opposed to him making other around him great, if that makes any sense.
As for Peat, he had an inconsistent senior season and I worry that he lacks toughness. Here is what Boylhart had to say...
Of La'el Collins, he had this to say....
I really hope the Giants go Amari Cooper. I know WR isn't a huge need, but a WR corp with Beckham, Randle, Cruz and Cooper would be insane. We could go 4 WR sets much more and really open things up. Have 3 WRs who could take it for 70 on any play. Then go D in rounds 2 and 3.
I'm also assuming we go after an Olineman or two in free agency.
As far as the comparison between the OTs, I'm going by what I see and not by what is written. I'm not saying Collins or Schreff or Peat will be bad players in the NFL. They all have warts that are concerning to me. But from watching all three I don't see what I have seen from past drafts. I see average type of players. I just feel Peat is the best of the three in terms of being able to play LT in the NFL.
I truly hope we get our missing piece along the OL in FA as opposed to the draft so we aren't trying to fill a need as opposed to taking the best player available.
Even if the two QBs go in the top 8 that still doesn't guarantee us a stud at 9 which sucks. I want a player that has the best upside long term but also a player that can really impact the game. It is surprising that there are no corners mentioned early in the draft. Can the kid from Alabama help us? Probably but is he good enough. I have heard mixed reviews on him. We definitely need a pass rusher but are we going to go outside of our comfort zone with players who are undersized at the position? There are no TEs to talk about. I love some running backs in this draft but 9 is probably too early. That brings us to DT. Shelton is a little short for what we like but we always talk about how we need better LB play. There is no better way to get great LB play than getting DL that demand double teams. Shelton and Hankins would allow our LBs to roam free. Now, I'm sure he has warts to but I see the impact that he would have on the field that would he beneficial to others.
Finally, you agree that we cannot count on Cruz and Reese said as much. Who do we really have at the position behind Beckham? Randle has been so up and down. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he has turned the corner. Who else? Picking a WR is a very real possibility. There is more than just a first round pick to fix a team. We have FA and other picks. I wouldn't be upset at all if we went WR. The draft should be used for what is right for this team ling term not what is right for this team today. FA is used for what is right for this team today. Reese says it all the time. He says you need to fill any major holes in FA so you to into the draft looking for the BPA.
I really hope the Giants go Amari Cooper. I know WR isn't a huge need, but a WR corp with Beckham, Randle, Cruz and Cooper would be insane. We could go 4 WR sets much more and really open things up. Have 3 WRs who could take it for 70 on any play. Then go D in rounds 2 and 3.
I'm also assuming we go after an Olineman or two in free agency.
For me Cooper may be the most over rated player here on BBI. Yes he's potentially a great player. Shame we aren't loaded everywhere else but with huge holes on the OL, DE, LB and S I'd trade down if I could before i grabbed him.
WRs unless you feel they are true freaks can be had in todays draft from rounds 1-3. We have OBJ. Randle as # 2 and hopefully Cruz. How many years do we have to continually use resources on the same position and what then watch the Giants lose games because Reese only believes WRs and DEs matter.
And how well have Reese's FA OL been to date. Baas broke down Schwartz the same. The Giants can't run a lick and there isn't one guy who looks to be a real true long term lock on the while OL is a huge concern for me. It just shows a bit of myopia. If any of the the top OL are there and can even be Zach Martin you run up and grab him. Now you better hope you get Martin and not Robert Gallery I also think the Cooper love here must be a generational thing because I think there will also be at least one or two defensive players just as good as Cooper and much more in need for the Giants at 9. Maybe the MLB from Miss. Growing up watching Carson and VanPelt then LT we were feared. And D was a HUGE reason for the last 2 SB wins.
I'd be fine with Cooper of course, but also Peat, Collins, and even Scherff. All players have warts. Peat didn't have quite the year people expected. He was poor against ND, and Orchard got the best of him. Collins lunges too much. Scherff has issues with lateral mobility. But they still all played very well overall in extremely competitive conferences, and still just kids. The hyper nitpicking of players is commonplace this time of year.
I'd even be OK with Ray or Gregory, but both frankly are too light I think to play DE in the NFL. They seem better suited to OLB in a 3-4, but of course can come off the edge like a terror. It's just that they seem like "tweeners," and #9 is too high for that kind of player.
If I had to pick right now, I'd say Peat or Collins.
This OL needs a massive infusion of talent at 3 of the positions to be competitive.
For comparison Odell Beckham had a QB who probably had a higher draft grade then Sims until he got hurt. They both played 3 years. Odell had 2305 yards and 12 TDs. With his best season at 1117 and 8 TDs.
He might not turn out as good a Pro as Odell, but no way can you say the guy is overrated. Just like Odell in college Cooper can do basically everything you want from a WR. Except he has been far more productive.
The RB I like for the Giants is Duke Johnson - would love the Giants to snatch him up if he is still there in the 3rd.
Duke would be a late first/early 2nd rounder if he could stay healthy
JonC is right. The Giants have a certain methodology they rarely deviate from. The #1 pick that high up is almost always a position they consider premium impact LT,DE,WR,QB.
DT or LB only if they are sky high on his pass rush ability (and those guys are quite rare) a Kalil Mack type or Suh type level. I don't think Shelton quite reaches that level and doesn't have the prototypical height we look for (esp at the #9 pick) .
The idiotic notion that you pass on a guard 'just because he's a guard', is why this team continues to suffer through long stretches of being non-competitive.
Stop being afraid of making the safe pick. It usually works out better in the long run.
The idiotic notion that you pass on a guard 'just because he's a guard', is why this team continues to suffer through long stretches of being non-competitive.
Stop being afraid of making the safe pick. It usually works out better in the long run.
You heard Reese on WFAN say he'd take a playermaker over a G, right?
Amari Cooper was the best college football player in the country this year. The guy was pretty much unstoppable. Even in a so called bad game against OSU he had 9 catches 71 yards and 2 TDs.
I think Copper is the best player in the draft....but the NFL is a QB driven league so those guys will get drafted first.
If Cooper so how slips to us at 9, which I don't think it happens, we better run up to the podium with his name on the card.
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The idiotic notion that you pass on a guard 'just because he's a guard', is why this team continues to suffer through long stretches of being non-competitive.
Stop being afraid of making the safe pick. It usually works out better in the long run.
You heard Reese on WFAN say he'd take a playermaker over a G, right?
Not only has it been publically stated now, in addition to it being pointed out here for years, it's common sense. You don't reach for positions out of desperation in the draft, you address those urgent needs via UFA.
If the OL situation is that desperate, and I don't disagree it needs a talent infusion, go out in UFA and spend to get the immediate return on investment.
You got a line of Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh. That would be a pretty solid line IMO
I would rather invest in the draft and trust the coaches to develop rookie players more then relying on veterans at this point.
This thread is about Rob Rang's BB....
Make that Cart in front of the horse....lol I'm not splitting atoms right now.
The draft is all about trying to project how well someone will be at the next level. FA's are already known commodities at that level.
But they continue to get their ass beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball. It doesn't matter who they have for receivers if Eli is under heavy pressure, or if they can't stop opponents from scoring virtually at will.
Winning starts up front, and Reese & Co. apparently do not understand that AT ALL. Reese had a directive from ownership to fix the OL last year and didn't do it. Frankly I thought his efforts to do so were a bad joke. How much longer is Reese going to get get a free pass?
Then consider that they have NO Safeties who are worth a shit, except the always-injured Taylor and maybe Behre. Maybe.
The cupboard is bare at LB except for the promising Kennard. Injury-prone retreads and failed draft choices do not make a winning LB corps.
The TEs are poor at best. There is no other way to describe them.
The RB group is thin and there isn't one single complete and proven player in the group except for Jennings who can't stay on the field, and maybe the arguably under-used FB Hynoski.
This team needs serious investment in the OL and the defense with the 8 picks in this draft, and maybe something at TE and/or RB, not yet another WR effing prospect.
For comparison Odell Beckham had a QB who probably had a higher draft grade then Sims until he got hurt. They both played 3 years. Odell had 2305 yards and 12 TDs. With his best season at 1117 and 8 TDs.
He might not turn out as good a Pro as Odell, but no way can you say the guy is overrated. Just like Odell in college Cooper can do basically everything you want from a WR. Except he has been far more productive.
Sure I can. He's over rated "here" as to the need and value to the Giants.. Not over rated. As I said over rated here People have posted the Giants should consider a trade up for him. I keep hearing how this offense needs another WR. Great he was super productive So where lots of guys in college. Heck Keyshaun Johnson was taken a lot higher than Amani Toomer. Could another guy have helped the Jets more at that top spot. Honestly I'm not sure his career was all that much better.
It my opinion that another WR in RD one even if great is a wasted resource when all 5 of our OL are questionable to mediocre When the LBs are easily the worst in the NFL.. There isn't a starting caliber S on the roster. TE meh. Potential hole at DE and DT is light after Hankins long term IF you think a WR in RD one helps great, and you are certainly entitled to have that opinion but it seems insanity to me to use one pif the top two or three picks every year for ones position and I think its the reason why there are holes all over this every year for the last 4
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The idiotic notion that you pass on a guard 'just because he's a guard', is why this team continues to suffer through long stretches of being non-competitive.
Stop being afraid of making the safe pick. It usually works out better in the long run.
We have not been competitive not because we haven't taken enough OL early, but we have gambled on upside rather than taking clean football players which then necessitated yearly high picks at WR and DT when the upside guys did not develop. Part of that is on the scouting department when they took guys who could not possibly fit in our scheme and part of that is on the coaching staff who would rather go with guys like Kevin Ogletree because they have more experience/Special Teams contributions than getting the young guys a chance to go against NFL caliber opposition
Double Beckham is just too cool to not be somewhat possible.
a) we have to get a great football player with the #9 pick
b) this draft isnt as good as it was last year
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c) the *bang* at the top of the draft is at Pass rush Outside Linebacker.
Makes you wonder: would the Giants consider taking true BPA if the BPA was clearly a 34 OLB? I say this with one guy in mind - Vic Beasley. Forget scheme - you want pop at #9? this guy is a great pass rusher. Spagnuolo's #1 thing is rush the passer. He was the first to use Kiwi at OLB, in his 50 fronts. And Reese showed with the Sintim pick he'll take a guy like this. Beasley will put his hand in the dirt on 3rd down. He torched some excellent competition including abusing the monster Oklahoma T's in the Bowl game.
He's the explosive game-breaker athelete on defense ODB was for the offense. Not sure we want to be passing on a pass rusher/edge player of his quality because he may or may not fit our base scheme.
Maxx Williams would be real nice.