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My choice for Giants #9 pick

gmenrule : 1/19/2015 10:50 am
has gradually shifted to Danny Shelton DT from Washington. My reasoning is that the #9 pick needs to have impact from day one. Shelton has been compared to Haloti Ngata. Put him next to Hankins in the center of the defense and you have a run-stopping pair for the next 10+ years. To win the NFC East we have to deal with our opponents strength (running the ball). We have to stop the run ! This guy is a massive, immovable object, who never seems to tire. He would be our Suh for a lot less money. Hankins and Shelton would also be a match for the inside of the Cowboys offensive line. For those of you saying OL should be #9 - I believe you can get a very good OT or Guard in the 2nd round but there is no DT like Shelton available in the 2nd round. Since Spags likes to use various blitzes, controlling the line of scrimmage is necessary. Our whole defensive unit is immediately upgraded by plugging Shelton into the middle. A final reason for Shelton is that there is no one like him in FA except for Suh. There are suitable free agents for "other" positions needing an upgrade on our team.
I wouldn't mind a WR  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2015 10:51 am : link
at 9
I'd  
AcidTest : 1/19/2015 10:55 am : link
be fine with Shelton at #9. Fantastic at the point of attack, and a very good pass rusher. Also nice down the line mobility. Academics are important to him as well IIRC.

But whether it's Shelton or someone else, we need another big run stuffing DT. Patterson probably won't be coming back, Jenkins is nearing the end, Bromley is more a pass rusher, and Kuhn is a backup mostly for ST. Hankins is our only big body. He needs help. How much more proof do we need that this game is still won and lost in the trenches?

If we don't take Shelton, I'd like to see Carl Davis in the second.
I like him  
JonC : 1/19/2015 10:56 am : link
but teams tend to avoid picking DTs high due to high bust rate.
I think they can get a bargin DT in FA ...  
Beer Man : 1/19/2015 11:00 am : link
I think Nick Fairley could be a decent run stuffer next to Hank, plus he won't cost a lot.
We will get a very good player  
Reale01 : 1/19/2015 11:00 am : link
Shelton, Cooper, Collins(OT), are in the mix along with other.
How is at DT an impact player from day one  
BillT : 1/19/2015 11:04 am : link
When DT normally take a year or so to "get it".
We need help at so many positions  
superspynyg : 1/19/2015 11:08 am : link
DE, OL, S, Lb, DL, wr

That as long as we don't reach with our pick I will be happy. While I am not a fan of safety that high, If he is the best person on the board...then pull the trigger.
RE: I wouldn't mind a WR  
Hammer : 1/19/2015 11:08 am : link
In comment 12101031 Big Blue '56 said:
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at 9


Me too
BPA And No "Reach / Need Only Picks"  
Trainmaster : 1/19/2015 11:18 am : link
is all I want. Value, value, value.

Among the 3 players most debated for the #1 pick last year (Beckham, Zach Martin and Aaron Donald), 20/20 hindsight seems to indicate all would have been excellent picks.

We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.

Reese's MO (some year more successful than others) is to address the glaring needs in Free Agency, so that the temptation to reach is reduced.

Hopefully a few among an OL, DL, S, TE and LB are signed through free agency.

It always "takes two to Tango", but this seems like a great year for a trade back IF the price we get is high and grab OL 4 to 8 picks back and pick up another 2nd rounder.
Wish we had a crystal ball  
mrvax : 1/19/2015 11:18 am : link
and knew what sort of shape Cruz will be in once he is 100% rehabbed.

You try and take the best football player you can find with your 1st pick, especially at #9. The Oline will be helped with free agent guards or a solid pick in a bit later in the draft.

DT? Sure but don't count on much for the 1st year. We saw it with Hankins & Joseph and they are both good players.
RE: BPA And No  
mrvax : 1/19/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12101080 Trainmaster said:
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We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.


The Giants seem to usually but not always pick BPA at a position of need with few exceptions.
Would love to see Shelton #9  
geelabee : 1/19/2015 11:41 am : link
Assuming Reece thinks Shelton is the BPA...inside DT is a massive need and the reason why opposing teams were able to run down the Giants throat in 2014...whatever the Giants do...like to see them use their #2 and target a guard...which is more of a need then OT...the Giants can't inside power and getting a massive 330-340lb guard to pair with Shelton is the way to go...Agree that a player of Shelton quality won't be available at #2...while their will be several quality guards that will be available at their #2 pick
Shelton Sounds Like a Giant Pick  
geelabee : 1/19/2015 11:49 am : link
Solid Citizen and Academic All American...Poor Man's Vince Wilfork
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Like Jolly said in another thread,  
AnishPatel : 1/19/2015 11:53 am : link
I don't see us valuing a DT this high. I think we stick to WR, LT, DE, and QB as positions that high. I can't see us drafting a damn DT that high.
OBJ wasn't an impact player from Day 1  
JohnB : 1/19/2015 11:53 am : link
in fact he had zero effect for the Giants throughout all of summer camp, the preseason games and 4 games into the season.

How'd that pick work out?


NO  
DTgiants : 1/19/2015 11:55 am : link
Picking a DT at 9 will basically call Bromley a bust( personally I think he went 3 rounds to early but time will tell) We have bigger needs, S, LB, and O line.
If Bromley stops you from drafting a quality player then  
robbieballs2003 : 1/19/2015 12:16 pm : link
You shouldn't be a GM. Bromley hasn't shown anything. Still, I like him. That doesn't mean you give him keys to the starting spot. Also, we rotate DL. We need depth and talent there. It doesn't have to be our first pick but our first pick should be BPA. If that is Shelton then so be it. If not, no big deal. But, either way, Bromley should not be in the discussion.

We need DL talent in general. We went with a four aces look because we had the talent at DE to do so. We don't have that now. We need these DTs to push the pocket. Hankins has shown he can do it. Bromley is known for his ability to do that. Shelton can do that too. The more the merrier. We aren't putting Moore at DT unless we are stunting. We could move JPP inside but why? We have Ayers that can move inside on some passing situations. We can put Jenkins at DE too. All of these options are great and we should create matchups based on the OL we play against but we also need them fresh with capable bodies. We can't be trotting out Kuhn.
RE: I wouldn't mind a WR  
micky : 1/19/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12101031 Big Blue '56 said:
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you're kidding...right?
robbie and Train  
JonC : 1/19/2015 12:21 pm : link
+1
picking a DT at #9 is def  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/19/2015 12:22 pm : link
a need pick... The Giants sucked against the run all season long running away from JPP/Hankins....

Even if Bromley turns out into a good player we still NEED another DT...

BB'56 I agree you take a playmaker at 9  
Headhunter : 1/19/2015 12:23 pm : link
I'll take Cooper, White, Parker or Strong
There isnt a player on this team  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2015 12:23 pm : link
That would prevent me from taking a prospect based on position. Not one.
NYG can go in to this #9 pick  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2015 12:25 pm : link
With the thought that they can literally take their top graded player for their system. That is a good spot to be in. Saying that it needs to be a specific position limits their potential It would be foolish.
RE: RE: I wouldn't mind a WR  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2015 12:25 pm : link
In comment 12101203 micky said:
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you're kidding...right?


Not at all..If the BPA is a WR to complement what we have, pull the trigger
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't mind a WR  
micky : 1/19/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12101219 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12101031 Big Blue '56 said:


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at 9



you're kidding...right?



Not at all..If the BPA is a WR to complement what we have, pull the trigger


Just differing view of some here. Would agree in different years and situation. But, I would tend to start building the lines with close to bluechip prospects at the top of draft than what have been done lately. I know it's basically crap shoot with draft picks..but a player at top lessings the chance. Imo, start building the lines thru draft instead of through FA. jmo.
RE: RE: BPA And No  
Canton : 1/19/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12101082 mrvax said:
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We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.



The Giants seem to usually but not always pick BPA at a position of need with few exceptions.


The usual rule of thumb, they aren't the same player, the first season back from knee surgery. I wouldn't expect much, but any contribution would be a bonus.
by all means id Cooper were to drop to #9  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/19/2015 12:37 pm : link
you have to think about jumping on that... but, how much money can you tie up in the WR position.. OBJ going to command big $$$
RE: by all means id Cooper were to drop to #9  
robbieballs2003 : 1/19/2015 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12101242 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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you have to think about jumping on that... but, how much money can you tie up in the WR position.. OBJ going to command big $$$


Good thing we don't have to think about that for another four years with OBJ. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something with Cruz's cap number after this year.
robbie, I just hope and want  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/19/2015 12:52 pm : link
Cruz to come back and be Cruz....then we wont have to worry about re-working Cruz..

If anyone can do it's him...
I think Sy nailed it  
ij_reilly : 1/19/2015 12:53 pm : link
No player on this team should lead the Giants away from drafting any position, with the possible exception of QB.

WR at 9 is absolutely legitimate. If he's the best player on your board, you take him.

The Giants don't have to be concerned with any contract/cap situation either.

In a way, this is the greatest place to be - you can draft any position whatsoever and go strictly by BPA on your board. Offense, defense, line, backfield, whatever. Of course, there is plenty of ugly that got the Giants into this position!
100%  
robbieballs2003 : 1/19/2015 12:53 pm : link
Love Cruz and hope he goes out on his own terms and not have an injury dictate his path.
if he is 'all that' then do it  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2015 12:55 pm : link
awesome.

dont reach for a tweener lb/de.

an OT, a great DT, fine.

grab a big ass DE in 2,3,4,5, what have you.

do the research
Sy did nail it  
JonC : 1/19/2015 12:57 pm : link
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I agree with the OP but  
nicky43 : 1/19/2015 12:57 pm : link
I still think the O-Line has to be the Number 1 priority. I don't mean it has to be the number 1 pick if they can find a way to seriously upgrade the line in FA but if not they need to develop a fool proof draft strategy that will upgrade the o-line for 2015.
I believe that you build teams from the inside out  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/19/2015 1:47 pm : link
so I like what you're saying.....

any chance he's already gone at 9?

then again, there's Sy's opinion  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/19/2015 1:50 pm : link
and Sy's the guy
Are some of u guys out of ur fucking minds???  
Jim Burt64 : 1/19/2015 1:58 pm : link
OL is #1 priority,,, unless there are 8 picked in front of us, that better be the fucking pick.
nO  
JonC : 1/19/2015 1:59 pm : link
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Give me  
Mr. Nickels : 1/19/2015 3:34 pm : link
Andrus Peat (rare to land a top ten tackle to finally get our LT)
Scherff

or

Landon Collins (hate taking Safety this high but he might be worth it and its important position in Spags D)

or a pass rusher (Gregory Ray Dupree DE or Beasley or Shaq OLB)
We could have avoided this  
TMS : 1/19/2015 4:47 pm : link
by simply keeping Livnal Joseph last year. But many here think having two big DTs is not the answer. But the year before with Joseph and Hankins in the middle we were a much better defense. So we burned our third round pick on Bromley and let Joseph walk. We will see if Bromley fills the bill. i agree with you.
RE: We could have avoided this  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2015 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12101570 TMS said:
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by simply keeping Livnal Joseph last year. But many here think having two big DTs is not the answer. But the year before with Joseph and Hankins in the middle we were a much better defense. So we burned our third round pick on Bromley and let Joseph walk. We will see if Bromley fills the bill. i agree with you.


Hankins played very little beside LinJo..
If it is not a defensive player  
HomerJones45 : 1/19/2015 5:08 pm : link
throw the remote, your shoe, the dog, the spouse (not the kids) and anything else you can find at the screen.
If DT Shelton is the BPA then great  
SGMen : 1/19/2015 5:39 pm : link
If he looks NFL ready all the better. He'd likely get spot duty early and work his way into more and more reps.

I don't see Jenkins or Patterson coming back.

As for Bromley, well, we'll see! You can never have enough good defensive lineman.

I am praying that DE Moore really develops to bring heat from his side. I loved the way he played at the end of the year and with another off-season the young man should be primed.

We do need a starting DT so if Bromley is ready in year 2 great but otherwise drafting bpa DT Shelton is fine by me.
Would have no problem with the Shelton pick  
jeff57 : 1/19/2015 5:43 pm : link
As I said in a similar thread the other day. He's the best DT in the draft and the Giants need another starting DT.
RE: Would have no problem with the Shelton pick  
SGMen : 1/19/2015 6:14 pm : link
In comment 12101626 jeff57 said:
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As I said in a similar thread the other day. He's the best DT in the draft and the Giants need another starting DT.
So I guess your like me not knowing if Bromley is seen as starting material or not by Giants?
RE: RE: We could have avoided this  
TMS : 1/19/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12101589 Big Blue '56 said:
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by simply keeping Livnal Joseph last year. But many here think having two big DTs is not the answer. But the year before with Joseph and Hankins in the middle we were a much better defense. So we burned our third round pick on Bromley and let Joseph walk. We will see if Bromley fills the bill. i agree with you.



Hankins played very little beside LinJo..
But he was in the rotation and we had a pressure up the middle and a clogged run game all the time. Everything was better on defense even though we had a better secondary last year. You get a proven good big DT you keep him. This three technique argument is BS.
What Sy said  
AnnapolisMike : 1/19/2015 6:40 pm : link
The Giants have far to many needs...all over the roster...to not take BPA in this draft. My gut says OL will be handled through free agency and a fair dose of good health/luck for a change.

RE: Would have no problem with the Shelton pick  
jeff57 : 1/19/2015 7:07 pm : link
In comment 12101626 jeff57 said:
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As I said in a similar thread the other day. He's the best DT in the draft and the Giants need another starting DT.


Playing time last year was revealing. Jay Alford got more playing time in his rookie year.
Mine  
Zebra3 : 1/19/2015 7:48 pm : link
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Your score is: 5403 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11 (MINN): Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 8: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (MINN): Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 8: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
Round 7 Pick 9: James Vaughters, OLB, Stanford (C+)
Round 7 Pick 29: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (A)

RE: Mine  
Coach Mason : 1/19/2015 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12101772 Zebra3 said:
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YOUR TEAM: NEW YORK GIANTS
If you like our site, please make a donation:
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 5403 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11 (MINN): Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 8: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (MINN): Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 8: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
Round 7 Pick 9: James Vaughters, OLB, Stanford (C+)
Round 7 Pick 29: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (A)


These always crack me up. Williams at 11? Also Stanley is going back to school.
RE: I believe that you build teams from the inside out  
Jesse B : 1/20/2015 6:38 am : link
In comment 12101375 I Love Clams Casino said:
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so I like what you're saying.....

any chance he's already gone at 9?


Daniel jeremiah just had him as his #5 overall ranked player and hes prerty pluggged it. IIRC he was the guy most insistent beckhham jr had a real good shot at going top q0
10 so yes.
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