has gradually shifted to Danny Shelton DT from Washington. My reasoning is that the #9 pick needs to have impact from day one. Shelton has been compared to Haloti Ngata. Put him next to Hankins in the center of the defense and you have a run-stopping pair for the next 10+ years. To win the NFC East we have to deal with our opponents strength (running the ball). We have to stop the run ! This guy is a massive, immovable object, who never seems to tire. He would be our Suh for a lot less money. Hankins and Shelton would also be a match for the inside of the Cowboys offensive line. For those of you saying OL should be #9 - I believe you can get a very good OT or Guard in the 2nd round but there is no DT like Shelton available in the 2nd round. Since Spags likes to use various blitzes, controlling the line of scrimmage is necessary. Our whole defensive unit is immediately upgraded by plugging Shelton into the middle. A final reason for Shelton is that there is no one like him in FA except for Suh. There are suitable free agents for "other" positions needing an upgrade on our team.
But whether it's Shelton or someone else, we need another big run stuffing DT. Patterson probably won't be coming back, Jenkins is nearing the end, Bromley is more a pass rusher, and Kuhn is a backup mostly for ST. Hankins is our only big body. He needs help. How much more proof do we need that this game is still won and lost in the trenches?
If we don't take Shelton, I'd like to see Carl Davis in the second.
That as long as we don't reach with our pick I will be happy. While I am not a fan of safety that high, If he is the best person on the board...then pull the trigger.
Me too
Among the 3 players most debated for the #1 pick last year (Beckham, Zach Martin and Aaron Donald), 20/20 hindsight seems to indicate all would have been excellent picks.
We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.
Reese's MO (some year more successful than others) is to address the glaring needs in Free Agency, so that the temptation to reach is reduced.
Hopefully a few among an OL, DL, S, TE and LB are signed through free agency.
It always "takes two to Tango", but this seems like a great year for a trade back IF the price we get is high and grab OL 4 to 8 picks back and pick up another 2nd rounder.
You try and take the best football player you can find with your 1st pick, especially at #9. The Oline will be helped with free agent guards or a solid pick in a bit later in the draft.
DT? Sure but don't count on much for the 1st year. We saw it with Hankins & Joseph and they are both good players.
We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.
The Giants seem to usually but not always pick BPA at a position of need with few exceptions.
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We need DL talent in general. We went with a four aces look because we had the talent at DE to do so. We don't have that now. We need these DTs to push the pocket. Hankins has shown he can do it. Bromley is known for his ability to do that. Shelton can do that too. The more the merrier. We aren't putting Moore at DT unless we are stunting. We could move JPP inside but why? We have Ayers that can move inside on some passing situations. We can put Jenkins at DE too. All of these options are great and we should create matchups based on the OL we play against but we also need them fresh with capable bodies. We can't be trotting out Kuhn.
you're kidding...right?
Even if Bromley turns out into a good player we still NEED another DT...
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you're kidding...right?
Not at all..If the BPA is a WR to complement what we have, pull the trigger
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In comment 12101031 Big Blue '56 said:
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you're kidding...right?
Not at all..If the BPA is a WR to complement what we have, pull the trigger
Just differing view of some here. Would agree in different years and situation. But, I would tend to start building the lines with close to bluechip prospects at the top of draft than what have been done lately. I know it's basically crap shoot with draft picks..but a player at top lessings the chance. Imo, start building the lines thru draft instead of through FA. jmo.
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We went BPA (even though one could argue stronger need on the OL and DL) and appears to have gotten an "all world / once in a decade" talent at WR.
The Giants seem to usually but not always pick BPA at a position of need with few exceptions.
The usual rule of thumb, they aren't the same player, the first season back from knee surgery. I wouldn't expect much, but any contribution would be a bonus.
Good thing we don't have to think about that for another four years with OBJ. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something with Cruz's cap number after this year.
If anyone can do it's him...
WR at 9 is absolutely legitimate. If he's the best player on your board, you take him.
The Giants don't have to be concerned with any contract/cap situation either.
In a way, this is the greatest place to be - you can draft any position whatsoever and go strictly by BPA on your board. Offense, defense, line, backfield, whatever. Of course, there is plenty of ugly that got the Giants into this position!
dont reach for a tweener lb/de.
an OT, a great DT, fine.
grab a big ass DE in 2,3,4,5, what have you.
do the research
any chance he's already gone at 9?
Scherff
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Landon Collins (hate taking Safety this high but he might be worth it and its important position in Spags D)
or a pass rusher (Gregory Ray Dupree DE or Beasley or Shaq OLB)
Hankins played very little beside LinJo..
I don't see Jenkins or Patterson coming back.
As for Bromley, well, we'll see! You can never have enough good defensive lineman.
I am praying that DE Moore really develops to bring heat from his side. I loved the way he played at the end of the year and with another off-season the young man should be primed.
We do need a starting DT so if Bromley is ready in year 2 great but otherwise drafting bpa DT Shelton is fine by me.
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by simply keeping Livnal Joseph last year. But many here think having two big DTs is not the answer. But the year before with Joseph and Hankins in the middle we were a much better defense. So we burned our third round pick on Bromley and let Joseph walk. We will see if Bromley fills the bill. i agree with you.
Hankins played very little beside LinJo..
Playing time last year was revealing. Jay Alford got more playing time in his rookie year.
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Round 1 Pick 11 (MINN): Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 8: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (MINN): Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 8: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
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Round 1 Pick 11 (MINN): Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 8: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (MINN): Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon (A)
Round 3 Pick 8 (STL): Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 8: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B)
Round 7 Pick 9: James Vaughters, OLB, Stanford (C+)
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These always crack me up. Williams at 11? Also Stanley is going back to school.
any chance he's already gone at 9?
Daniel jeremiah just had him as his #5 overall ranked player and hes prerty pluggged it. IIRC he was the guy most insistent beckhham jr had a real good shot at going top q0
10 so yes.