Eagles coach Chip Kelly frequently gushes publicly about his former Oregon Marcus Mariota, and according to one report, Kelly is already plotting privately to acquire Mariota in the NFL draft.
The Eagles have the 20th overall pick in the draft, and Mariota isn’t expected to be available by that point, but NJ.com reports that the team is already committed to trying to move up in the draft to acquire Mariota.
“From No. 20, it’s certainly not going to be easy,” an unnamed source told NJ.com. “It’s probably going to take moving up twice to do it. There’s going to be some wheeling and dealing involved. Can it happen? I don’t know. But they’re going to try.”
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I would try and get this year's 1st (#20), 2nd, 4th, and next year's 1st. I didn't look at any chart or anything. I am trying to remember what we gave up to get Eli, essentially moving up from #4 to #1 pick.
I would try and get this year's 1st (#20), 2nd, 4th, and next year's 1st. I didn't look at any chart or anything. I am trying to remember what we gave up to get Eli, essentially moving up from #4 to #1 pick.
Fun question. Haven't got a clue but how about a 1st this year AND next, and a second or...a first this year AND next with a 4th and 5th.
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I never got the sense Kelly liked Foles very much. He was always blowing smoke up Sanchez's ass while never going out of his way to talk about Foles playing well. He definitely wants a guy who can run better than Foles. And everyone should see that first Foles year was a mirage.
But if you don't love Mariota and need a QB, it's not crazy to take a windfall of picks and give Foles a one year audition. It's probably better than giving out a 50 Million deal to a Qb you don't think has the goods.
That said, moving up from 20 to the top 5 (more likely top 2) would take a boatload. Maybe Foles another player and several picks?
Bucs would be insane to essentially swap draft picks and trade for Foles. They have the number 1 pick. Moving down 20 spots and adding Foles is not an adequate trade. If the Eagles want to offer Foles and their 20 to move up to number 1, I'd want Foles, Eagles first round, second round and 2016 first round. And according to the draft pick value trade chart most of these teams use, even that's not enough.
The #2 overall pick is 2600 points.
The entire Eagles draft (assuming they have picks 1 - 7 at #20 each round) is only worth about 1500 points.
Aren't future years picks "discounted"? At #20 the Eagles first round is worth 850 pts, and second round is 380.
Would the Eagles 2016 first round pick be only worth around 400 points?
Sounds like the Eagles would need to be parting with multiple, high value players (McCoy?; Maclin?) to get enough value for the #2 overall.
He's the Hawiian Rg3
Kelley knows the guy very well. If he thinks he can run his system and is a good fit then who are you to say it's stupid. Having the right QB is worth everything it would take to trade up to get him (case in point: Eli).
Fair point.
The #2 overall pick is 2600 points.
The entire Eagles draft (assuming they have picks 1 - 7 at #20 each round) is only worth about 1500 points.
Aren't future years picks "discounted"? At #20 the Eagles first round is worth 850 pts, and second round is 380.
Would the Eagles 2016 first round pick be only worth around 400 points?
Sounds like the Eagles would need to be parting with multiple, high value players (McCoy?; Maclin?) to get enough value for the #2 overall.
Maclin is a free agent and mccoy makes too much for a team to take on. The player that makes sense is fletcher cox.
How much realistically a team could expect to squeeze them I have no idea. I would think the Giants would want a "division rival premium"
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If you believe Chip Kelly was possibly on the way out (I don't know if that is true or not), now the franchise might commit to a QB that the head coach desperately wants, but is the head coach still thinking about leaving? (This is why it's not a good idea not to give coaches too much say in personnel).
The Eagles will draft Baylor QB Petty in round 2. This is the prize QB of this draft especially if he lands with the Eagles.
He's got the best throwing motion in the draft. He can snap out the ball on a line. While he doesn't run like Mariota, he is athletic and can make plays with his feet. As a thrower? He's much more dangerous.
If you believe Chip Kelly was possibly on the way out (I don't know if that is true or not), now the franchise might commit to a QB that the head coach desperately wants, but is the head coach still thinking about leaving? (This is why it's not a good idea not to give coaches too much say in personnel).
He was on his way out because he hated bean counter in chief Howie Roseman. Now Chip won the power play and he's in charge. That is the reason it is more possible now than before.
me neither
Tampa has number 1
Granted, it's not the risk it presented before they changed the rookie salary structure, but having a #1 overall and not coming away with a game changing player is a huge downside. Even worse when you consider it's #1 overall and the trade value is as high as they come.
He wanted control. He got it. He can get any college job he wants and most pro jobs too. He had a lot of leverage and Lurie through his little buddy under the bus and gave Chip the keys.
27 to 6 is a big jump.
The biggest hurdle for the Eagles could be that this story is leaking now. The top 2 teams have every incentive to drool over Mariota, to try and bait an offer they could not refuse, because I agree that Mariota does not knock my socks off as a prospect. That said, QBs don't tend to fall in the lead up to the draft.
Tell me about it. Particularly in the first game this year, when the Giants made their crappy defense look like tthe '85 Bears. That was just weird.
A more likely scenario is the Eagles offer Foles and picks to Tampa and/or Tennessee and/or Jets.
Honestly, those are the games where I feel we're not getting enough out of our talent. I get that we have plenty of weak spots on the team, and a couple of units are seriously below where they need to be, but there was no excuse for that first disaster against Philly. They looked unprepared and got their asses handed to them.
He's good, but also helped by the fact that it's a QB driven league, and this is a really weak year for QBs. As far as him sliding out of the top five, I don't think he will, just because there is a huge drop off after him and Winston. But nothing in the draft surprises me.
We are entering the season of disinformation. The idea that the Eagles would try and move all the way up to get Mariota just because he and Kelly are from Oregon seems like a smokescreen. But I'd love it if Mariota fell to us, and we could trade back for a ton of picks.
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If he slipped down to #9, what would it take for you, as the Giants GM, to trade him to the Eagles?
If he slipped to #9, and the Eagles were to phone, JR should slam down the phone and call the Browns.
A more likely scenario is the Eagles offer Foles and picks to Tampa and/or Tennessee and/or Jets.
I can see the Jets trading down with a package of Foles and picks, but not all the way to 20
i know, its mental. that game in philly this year, from the first snap you could tell the Giants were not mentally prepared for the game. they did not believe they could win.
Todd Hundley to Philly? Nah....