Chris Mortensen & #8207;3 minutes ago
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sundays AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
Chris Mortensen 4 minutes ago
NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.
Jason La Canfora 3 minutes ago
As NFL investigates Deflate-gate would be wise to speak to Ravens. Some there believe kicking balls used in their playoff game underinflated
Jason La Canfora 2 minutes ago
There appeared to be less air in some kicking balls which may have had an impact on the depth of punts and kickoffs in AFC Divisional game
the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Jason La Canfora 3 minutes ago
An NFL spokesman said as of tonight they had no knowledge of a Ravens complaint about the kicking balls from their playoff game
noone should be at all surprised new england would circumvent this or any rule they believed they could get away with. Take some draft picks away and suspend 'Lil Bill a couple games at the start of next season. Won't stop them finding some other way to cheat but does put a bit of a sting to getting caught.
Rule 2 The Ball
Section 1
BALL DIMENSIONS
The Ball must be a Wilson, hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell.
The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short ircumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces.
The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner.
In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive teams center.
The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs).
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing
field.
Yeah, this one normally wouldn't get more than a few raised eyebrows
the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Bart Hubbuch 6 minutes ago
But the more likely response is: "EVERYBODY DOES IT. THE PATRIOTS JUST GOT CAUGHT!"
the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Bart Hubbuch 6 minutes ago
But the more likely response is: "EVERYBODY DOES IT. THE PATRIOTS JUST GOT CAUGHT!"
Exactly. Two weeks til Super Bowl. The press needs stories, dammit!
The league will say they have no evidence to say the pats did or didn't deflate balls....slide it under the rug. Kraft and goodell are buddies. Kraft has stuck up for goodell in the past with this Ray rice scandal
but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
I'll revel in the losing team's misery - whoever it is.
It seems pretty improbable that mere happenstance would result in 11 of the 12 footballs being under-inflated without outside factors. While the blame for the deflated footballs has yet to be assigned, the Patriots wont get much in the way of benefit of the doubt due to previous issues. Link - ( New Window )
but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
I'll revel in the losing team's misery - whoever it is.
the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Me too. Also, if this is actually important, I dont understand how the officials dont notice this. One official touches the ball on every fucking play.
Dan Lifshatz 13 minutes ago
And refs don't care because everyone in the league does it and it isn't a big deal unless you make it one like the Colts did. The end
Dan Lifshatz 4 minutes ago
And the Colts report it because they got their asses handed to them on National TV and want to take headlines off them. So freaking simple
Dan Lifshatz 15 minutes ago
Want to know what really happened? Pats deflated balls because no one cares. Refs didn't report it because no one cares. Colts report it
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Mark Daniels 17m 17 minutes ago
There are a couple options: someone deflated the balls in game or the referees didn't do their jobs.
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Chris Mortensen 34m 34 minutes ago
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sundays AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
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Mike Loyko 26m 26 minutes ago
Further proof that NFL referees are incompetent.
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Mike Loyko 37m 37 minutes ago
As a #Patriots scout recently told me "The rest of the NFL hates us and that's the way we like it". #DeflateGate
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Rich Rozefort @subzero2401 2m2 minutes ago
Belichick probably already fired the ball boy because he forgot to deflate that 12th ball.
to say everyone does it. I bet the league has all of the balls from sunday, including the Colts ones. And I bet they checked those, and funny that none of them were underinflated
We have now reached the point in the New England Patriots' Ballghazi scandal where Patriots fans can start claiming that the team didn't do anything that every other team in the NFL isn't also doing.
The defense enters the above video into evidence. Here we have CBS broadcasters Jim Nantz and Phil Simms casually recounting their pregame conversation with Aaron Rodgers before his Week 13 matchup with the Patriots. According to Simms, Rodgers admitted to them that he likes to over-inflate game balls. "I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," is what Simms recalls Rodgers telling them
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Ben Volin @BenVolin 5m 5 minutes ago
Globe confirms that game officials discovered at halftime that game balls were underinflated. Tested each ball twice with different gauges
"Yet to be determined is what, if any, penalties may be imposed upon Patriots. One source described the league as "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," after spending considerable time on the findings earlier Tuesday." Link - ( New Window )
it sounds like gamesmanship to deal with bad weather conditions to help give an edge. You would assume that other teams in similar circumstances have done something similar in the past, but the Pats went too far.
Kinda sounds like a similar situation that took place in Boston about 9 months ago that more or less the same general fanbase will forget how they reacted when pine tar was involved...and it was a Yankee.
is that if this was a regular season game, it would get kind of buried with a fine and that's it. Since it's the Super Bowl and this whole storyline, Goodell is going to bring the hammer down and hit them with a huge fine and probably will strip them of a 2nd round pick, if not really want to go for it and take their first rounder. After the Super Bowl, and a few months down the road when the heat is off, the Pats will appeal and it will get knocked back to a 4th rounder and we all go on our merry way.
If the refs checked the balls and then gave them back to the team just prior to the start of the game then this was without a doubt intentional. I have to ask another question then can you really tell the weight difference by sight during a game? It was raining from my experience the ball becomes heavier when wet what made these guys suspect the balls were tampered with? Now we want to point fingers at the Pats but if this is being done throughout the league is it not time for the NFL to just provide the game balls and bring this to an end. Looks like this could open up another position on the refs staff but this would end this kind of actions completely. I have to admit there is nothing more important on the field then the football so lets fix this once and for all.
sent the Boston police out with the footballs to be used in breathalyzer tests. They were then supposed to be turned over to Southie hookers, and returned fully blown. It wasn't his fault.
Maybe equipment guy deflated them after they were inspected?
NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.
As NFL investigates Deflate-gate would be wise to speak to Ravens. Some there believe kicking balls used in their playoff game underinflated
There appeared to be less air in some kicking balls which may have had an impact on the depth of punts and kickoffs in AFC Divisional game
An NFL spokesman said as of tonight they had no knowledge of a Ravens complaint about the kicking balls from their playoff game
Section 1
BALL DIMENSIONS
The Ball must be a Wilson, hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell.
The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short ircumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces.
The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner.
In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive teams center.
The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs).
Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing
field.
Bart Hubbuch 6 minutes ago
But the more likely response is: "EVERYBODY DOES IT. THE PATRIOTS JUST GOT CAUGHT!"
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the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Bart Hubbuch 6 minutes ago
But the more likely response is: "EVERYBODY DOES IT. THE PATRIOTS JUST GOT CAUGHT!"
Exactly. Two weeks til Super Bowl. The press needs stories, dammit!
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
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but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
I'll revel in the losing team's misery - whoever it is.
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but it's an offense that could result in a loss of draft picks, which indicates that the league is pretty serious about it. Just a pattern of shitty behavior by that franchise.
They are jerks. I hope they win by 40 in two weeks.
I'll revel in the losing team's misery - whoever it is.
That is a fine perspective. I approve.
Me too. Also, if this is actually important, I dont understand how the officials dont notice this. One official touches the ball on every fucking play.
And refs don't care because everyone in the league does it and it isn't a big deal unless you make it one like the Colts did. The end
Dan Lifshatz 4 minutes ago
And the Colts report it because they got their asses handed to them on National TV and want to take headlines off them. So freaking simple
Dan Lifshatz 15 minutes ago
Want to know what really happened? Pats deflated balls because no one cares. Refs didn't report it because no one cares. Colts report it
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Mark Daniels 17m 17 minutes ago
There are a couple options: someone deflated the balls in game or the referees didn't do their jobs.
Dan Lifshatz retweeted
Chris Mortensen 34m 34 minutes ago
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sundays AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
Dan Lifshatz retweeted
Mike Loyko 26m 26 minutes ago
Further proof that NFL referees are incompetent.
Dan Lifshatz retweeted
Mike Loyko 37m 37 minutes ago
As a #Patriots scout recently told me "The rest of the NFL hates us and that's the way we like it". #DeflateGate
Rich Rozefort @subzero2401 2m2 minutes ago
Belichick probably already fired the ball boy because he forgot to deflate that 12th ball.
The defense enters the above video into evidence. Here we have CBS broadcasters Jim Nantz and Phil Simms casually recounting their pregame conversation with Aaron Rodgers before his Week 13 matchup with the Patriots. According to Simms, Rodgers admitted to them that he likes to over-inflate game balls. "I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," is what Simms recalls Rodgers telling them
Aaron Rodgers Likes To Tamper With Footballs, Too - ( New Window )
Ben Volin @BenVolin 5m 5 minutes ago
Globe confirms that game officials discovered at halftime that game balls were underinflated. Tested each ball twice with different gauges
I can totally see the NFL falling on this excuse.
I can totally see the NFL falling on this excuse.
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does the temperature have anything to do with it?
I can totally see the NFL falling on this excuse.
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I was told there would be no math..
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Kinda sounds like a similar situation that took place in Boston about 9 months ago that more or less the same general fanbase will forget how they reacted when pine tar was involved...and it was a Yankee.
thats ridiculous, i hope you're joking
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They should lose all their picks in this upcoming draft and Belicheck should be suspended for the Super Bowl.
thats ridiculous, i hope you're joking
I'm thinking firing squad.
And the rule is not written to reflect that reality. So the rule is no good.
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They should lose all their picks in this upcoming draft and Belicheck should be suspended for the Super Bowl.
thats ridiculous, i hope you're joking
Uhhhh no. I'm not. Repeat offenders shouldn't be slapped on the wrist with something minor.
Guess he should get away clean huh?
They'll probably lose their 1st round pick and pay a fine. And i think that's completely fair.
What you suggest is just ridiculous. Especially for something that other teams do likely do at times, and the league knows that.
And the rule is not written to reflect that reality. So the rule is no good.
If that is the case then the Colts balls would also reflect the loss in pressure, does not appear that way though.
Yep...but hey it's Tom Brady. He just laughs it off.
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And from indoors to outdoors in January, it will make a significant difference.
And the rule is not written to reflect that reality. So the rule is no good.
If that is the case then the Colts balls would also reflect the loss in pressure, does not appear that way though.
This. If it was a weather induced effect it would be similar for all of the balls used for the game, which appears to be decidedly NOT the case.
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And from indoors to outdoors in January, it will make a significant difference.
And the rule is not written to reflect that reality. So the rule is no good.
If that is the case then the Colts balls would also reflect the loss in pressure, does not appear that way though.
This. If it was a weather induced effect it would be similar for all of the balls used for the game, which appears to be decidedly NOT the case.