Chris Mortensen & #8207;3 minutes ago
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sundays AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
all the balls were checked and found underinflated and the Pat's were found underinflated by the official during halftime, per a previous report. That would mean the 2nd half was played with correctly inflated balls.
the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Maybe so, CiP, but we heard the same thing with Spygate - everyone does it. So, then, why is it the Patriots are always the ones getting caught?
I've never heard of other teams complaining about underinflated footballs, and now we have 2 very recent examples. I've never heard a ref replace a K ball in the middle of a series, but we heard it Sunday.
Where there' is smoke, there is often fire, and there always seems to be a lot of smoke around the Pats. Until I hear concrete evidence that other teams do it, I'm not going to believe the "every team does it' canard.
Clearly, if there were underinflated footballs, it didn't change the result of Sunday's game. However, if they were doing it to Baltimore, maybe it did make a difference.
At least part of it is because the Pats have had unparalleled success over the last 15 years. Do you really think anyone would care if the Jags were caught spying on other teams? Or if the Raiders were replacing the football with bricks while the other team was on offense?
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 6m6 minutes ago Bronx, NY
Of note: @nytimes story last year on Eli Manning's game balls being specifically tailored. Not weight, but feel.
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November 23, 2013
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. When Eli Manning drops back to throw his first pass Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the football in his hands will be as familiar as an old friend.
That is because the ball has been scoured, scrubbed, soaked and seasoned, a breaking-in process that takes months and ensures that every ball used by the Giants in a game will meet Mannings exact preferences. The leather will have been softened, the grip enhanced and the overall feel painstakingly assessed.
There are no new balls thrown around in an N.F.L. game. A new ball, despised for its sheen and waxy gloss, is as popular as a late hit.
For every N.F.L. game, each team has 12 to 20 balls that it has meticulously groomed and prepared according to the needs of its starting quarterback. The balls, brushed and primed using various obvious and semisecret techniques, bear the team logo and are switched out from sideline to sideline depending on which team is on offense.
The Colts were blown up, the balls may not have been. What did that have to do with Blount running through their D? In all three phases they were manhandled period.
The only relevant issue is wether the Patriots broke a rule
Doesn't matter if it was a stupid rule, or others do it or did it or other things that may have been similar or worse.
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
I just think this is probably a lot more common than people realize. If it wasn't the Patriots and it was a regular season game, this story would have never even gained steam.
didn't cause Indy to miss tackles, not be able to get off blocks opening huge holes for Blount, committ penalties, drop balls, and only have 83 yards on the ground compared to 177 for NE.
Those things - the main factors in Indianapolis getting completely housed - have nothing to do with deflated footballs.
All that said, i've mentioned before - this stuff goes on behind the scenes. The balls get scuffed up, painted with a bit of pine tar and deflated based on preferences. Every team manipulates the balls to some extent.
Once Jackson easily plucked the Brady throw out of the air he probably went back to the sidelines and - assuming that he wanted to keep the ball - handed it to one of the Colts equipment guys who noticed that the ball was deflated. Word got around, Indy got smashed and eventually Irsay most likely tried to give the story legs through back channels.
Maybe if Indy blocked better, tackled better and played football a bit better, whining about deflated balls wouldn't have been an issue.
RE: The only relevant issue is wether the Patriots broke a rule
Doesn't matter if it was a stupid rule, or others do it or did it or other things that may have been similar or worse.
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
Good point, the Pats never have to pay...
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Instead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.
The league has rules about the PSI level the ball MUST be between.
Do they have rules about the feel or other attributes of the ball that Eli (or Brad Johnson) are breaking?
Serious question, I don't know if they do.
The relevance is that both things make it easier to throw the ball. Yes, techically 1 is allowed and the other is against the rules, but it appears to be a somewhat arbitrary line.
(just like video-taping your opponents play calling signals) why in history has no other team complained about it?
Did they complain but the league said no big deal?
Did they complain and it just wasn't made public?
People love to say "everyone does it" but no one in history had ever been caught for either infraction (to the best of my knowledge)
Same reason it's a bigger story that Arod or Bonds used roids than it is that half of the players in the minors are sticking needles in their a$$. Success breeds jealousy and makes it a much bigger story.
It's not worth it to make accusations like this against the Jags or Raiders or Redskins or 75% of NFL teams.
(just like video-taping your opponents play calling signals) why in history has no other team complained about it?
Did they complain but the league said no big deal?
Did they complain and it just wasn't made public?
People love to say "everyone does it" but no one in history had ever been caught for either infraction (to the best of my knowledge)
Everyone manipulates the balls (especially Brett and Davisian) to some extent so that's why it's never brought up. I really think behind the scenes Irsay had something to do with the story being reported.
The worst instance of screwing around with footballs was a team (I won't name it) during my college years that used to put a broken popsicle stick into the grass during field goals and extra points. The idea was to give the ball a bit of height off the grass making the kick easier and giving the ball more height off the foot.
and Raiders have routinely been busted for this, but we don't hear about it because they're lousy teams.
Ok. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
Have they been busted? Probably depends on your definition of "busted", but I wouldn't be shocked if the Refs have "caught" them with underinflated balls.
If you think the Pats success over the last 15 years has nothing to do with this blowing up as it has, then I have a bridge for sale.
pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
some balls were under inflated then a rule was broken. When you break some rules you get fined and some are more severe. What penalty are you suggesting?
pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
That's one way to look at it. The other is to try to understand why the rule exists in the first place. In this case it seems as though the main advantage gained by underinflating a ball is that it's easier for the QB to grip and throw.
Which then begs the question, why is that disallowed, but other (simple) methods of making the ball easier to grip allowed? And which method provides the greater advantage?
since it's not "such a big deal", if the Patriots would mind if the Seahawks doctored the balls only they use, without regard to existing rules, in the Superbowl.
pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
USC got fined a whopping $25K when it got caught a few years ago deflating balls...
pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
I'm not saying everyone does it every game I am just pretty sure the Pats were not the first.
It is what it is. Is anyone going to asterisk their trophy if they win it?
RE: RE: The only relevant issue is wether the Patriots broke a rule
Doesn't matter if it was a stupid rule, or others do it or did it or other things that may have been similar or worse.
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
Good point, the Pats never have to pay...
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Instead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.
Spygate penalties - ( New Window )
Finding guilt and penalizing the Pats is lose-lose.
It maligns the game. It reflects poorly on a very succesful franchise that others emulate (or try to). And a penalty will always be considered unfair by Pats fans, and too leinient by everyone else.
Because it probably happens often that it's OK. It's cheating. It's taking the equipment and altering it to your advantage. I'm a guy who never gave a flying fuck about steroid use, but despised players who corked their bat or scuffed up the baseball. To some the difference is inconsequential. To me it's monumental.
I'm sorry but altering the football.... in the game of football... is a very big deal to me.
I wonder what the reaction would be if the Giants got caught doing this...
Mine would be the same. If it's proven they should be punished. Who really believes their team doesn't have to acknowledge and play by established rules or pay the consequences?
I wonder what the reaction would be if the Giants got caught doing this...
It would be the same. A rule is a rule. If you don't like the rule or think it's stupid is irrelevant. I don't like that illegal contact results in an automatic first down, but I don't think that the Giants should be exempt from enforcement of it.
that the organization that:
1. has a Masters with Summa Cum Spygate honors;
2. and also has a Magna Cum Murderer;
3. a pre-SB Summa Cum non-handshake by its QB,
4. and a post-SB Magna Cum Pout by its HC,
5. and a variety of 'legal' though highly irregular and or questionable actions(and possibly 1 or 2 that were not slipping in),
could possibly be guilty of obtaining an advantage in the
conference CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, after 10 years of often coming close to another window closing era for its key player and HC?
Shirley, you jest(even if found guilty, they sell sell the paraphenalia so they will just get a slap on the penis[ and that is not punishment because they wank their own penis's regularly]).
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
Peter King 7 minutes ago
Three things about the deflated football issue:
1 Its likely, but not certain, that discipline will be deferred till after Super Bowl.
2 Some info about what NFL knows could come out later today or tmrw.
3 Very impt element felt by NFL: 31 other teams watching intently.
By the way how did the claim "Everyone does this" come about?
There are only 2 QB's (one of them actually admitted he bribed people to doctor the balls for a SB, but that was an advantage for both QB's since it involved extra scuffing of the 100 balls used) who have claimed to fiddle the balls. The other question is while others may have done this, have any done it to the level of 2 lbs per square inch?
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
We'd need 400 ambulances for all the broken ankles...
I think there would be a massive dropoff in the "this is a big deal" crowd and a spike in the "it's not a big deal" crowd if that were the case.
No doubt in my mind.
Interesting question and i am sure some would move their stance. I would not be as vocal about it, but i would be more disappointed about them doing it. I keep coming back to this claim of everyone doing it. I have yet to see everyone claiming they do it, only 2 so far
So living in New England and having grown to hate the Deflatriots...
I'm loving it. It is all they are talking about on sports radio. They keep making excuses and the world is out to get us....blah, blah, blah. Tom Brady laughed about it on Monday. He is complicit also. Absolutely no Super Bowl talk because of this...love it. Go Seadderall Seahawks!
There are only 2 QB's (one of them actually admitted he bribed people to doctor the balls for a SB, but that was an advantage for both QB's since it involved extra scuffing of the 100 balls used) who have claimed to fiddle the balls. The other question is while others may have done this, have any done it to the level of 2 lbs per square inch?
PFT, in part ... The folks at SportsScience addressed this issue in 2010. A ball exposed to 10-degree temperatures for an hour, the pressure drops from 13.5 PSI to 11 PSI.
Of course, that doesnt fully account for a drop from 12.5 PSI to 10.5 PSI in 51-degree weather for 90 minutes or so. But it proves that, when its cold, the pressure inside a football drops.
In this specific situation, it could be that some pressure was removed from the balls, and that the 51-degree temperature did the rest. Regardless, when the mercury drops, footballs naturally deflate, at least a little. Link - ( New Window )
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
Maybe not. Have you seen how many anti-Giants Giants fans have inundated this site since our last SB win?
I think there would be a massive dropoff in the "this is a big deal" crowd and a spike in the "it's not a big deal" crowd if that were the case.
No doubt in my mind.
Interesting question and i am sure some would move their stance. I would not be as vocal about it, but i would be more disappointed about them doing it. I keep coming back to this claim of everyone doing it. I have yet to see everyone claiming they do it, only 2 so far
They had to institute the K Balls because teams were constantly fucking around with balls. That is the exact reason they did that.
There are only 2 QB's (one of them actually admitted he bribed people to doctor the balls for a SB, but that was an advantage for both QB's since it involved extra scuffing of the 100 balls used) who have claimed to fiddle the balls. The other question is while others may have done this, have any done it to the level of 2 lbs per square inch?
PFT, in part ...
The folks at SportsScience addressed this issue in 2010. A ball exposed to 10-degree temperatures for an hour, the pressure drops from 13.5 PSI to 11 PSI.
Of course, that doesnt fully account for a drop from 12.5 PSI to 10.5 PSI in 51-degree weather for 90 minutes or so. But it proves that, when its cold, the pressure inside a football drops.
In this specific situation, it could be that some pressure was removed from the balls, and that the 51-degree temperature did the rest. Regardless, when the mercury drops, footballs naturally deflate, at least a little. Link - ( New Window )
Plenty of other questions remains, but it appears that the NFL has determined that: (1) the balls were properly inspected before the game; and (2) theres no reason to believe the officials should have noticed anything unusual. Link - ( New Window )
Plenty of other questions remains, but it appears that the NFL has determined that: (1) the balls were properly inspected before the game; and (2) theres no reason to believe the officials should have noticed anything unusual. Link - ( New Window )
Regarding the weather effect the weight, i think that somewhat gets neutered with the fact that there was 1 ball that was the proper weight
but in the cold rainy weather in NE that day
underinflated balls absolutely gave NE a huge competitive advantage
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the indignation over this one. The fact that there are K balls says that teams would fuck with those balls. Teams fuck with these balls. This is like stealing signals. It's bad form, but lots of teams do it...
Maybe so, CiP, but we heard the same thing with Spygate - everyone does it. So, then, why is it the Patriots are always the ones getting caught?
I've never heard of other teams complaining about underinflated footballs, and now we have 2 very recent examples. I've never heard a ref replace a K ball in the middle of a series, but we heard it Sunday.
Where there' is smoke, there is often fire, and there always seems to be a lot of smoke around the Pats. Until I hear concrete evidence that other teams do it, I'm not going to believe the "every team does it' canard.
Clearly, if there were underinflated footballs, it didn't change the result of Sunday's game. However, if they were doing it to Baltimore, maybe it did make a difference.
At least part of it is because the Pats have had unparalleled success over the last 15 years. Do you really think anyone would care if the Jags were caught spying on other teams? Or if the Raiders were replacing the football with bricks while the other team was on offense?
Of note: @nytimes story last year on Eli Manning's game balls being specifically tailored. Not weight, but feel.
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. When Eli Manning drops back to throw his first pass Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the football in his hands will be as familiar as an old friend.
That is because the ball has been scoured, scrubbed, soaked and seasoned, a breaking-in process that takes months and ensures that every ball used by the Giants in a game will meet Mannings exact preferences. The leather will have been softened, the grip enhanced and the overall feel painstakingly assessed.
There are no new balls thrown around in an N.F.L. game. A new ball, despised for its sheen and waxy gloss, is as popular as a late hit.
For every N.F.L. game, each team has 12 to 20 balls that it has meticulously groomed and prepared according to the needs of its starting quarterback. The balls, brushed and primed using various obvious and semisecret techniques, bear the team logo and are switched out from sideline to sideline depending on which team is on offense.
continued ... - ( New Window )
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
The league has rules about the PSI level the ball MUST be between.
Do they have rules about the feel or other attributes of the ball that Eli (or Brad Johnson) are breaking?
Serious question, I don't know if they do.
Those things - the main factors in Indianapolis getting completely housed - have nothing to do with deflated footballs.
All that said, i've mentioned before - this stuff goes on behind the scenes. The balls get scuffed up, painted with a bit of pine tar and deflated based on preferences. Every team manipulates the balls to some extent.
Once Jackson easily plucked the Brady throw out of the air he probably went back to the sidelines and - assuming that he wanted to keep the ball - handed it to one of the Colts equipment guys who noticed that the ball was deflated. Word got around, Indy got smashed and eventually Irsay most likely tried to give the story legs through back channels.
Maybe if Indy blocked better, tackled better and played football a bit better, whining about deflated balls wouldn't have been an issue.
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
Good point, the Pats never have to pay...
Spygate penalties - ( New Window )
Did they complain but the league said no big deal?
Did they complain and it just wasn't made public?
People love to say "everyone does it" but no one in history had ever been caught for either infraction (to the best of my knowledge)
The league has rules about the PSI level the ball MUST be between.
Do they have rules about the feel or other attributes of the ball that Eli (or Brad Johnson) are breaking?
Serious question, I don't know if they do.
The relevance is that both things make it easier to throw the ball. Yes, techically 1 is allowed and the other is against the rules, but it appears to be a somewhat arbitrary line.
Did they complain but the league said no big deal?
Did they complain and it just wasn't made public?
People love to say "everyone does it" but no one in history had ever been caught for either infraction (to the best of my knowledge)
Same reason it's a bigger story that Arod or Bonds used roids than it is that half of the players in the minors are sticking needles in their a$$. Success breeds jealousy and makes it a much bigger story.
It's not worth it to make accusations like this against the Jags or Raiders or Redskins or 75% of NFL teams.
Ok. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
Did they complain but the league said no big deal?
Did they complain and it just wasn't made public?
People love to say "everyone does it" but no one in history had ever been caught for either infraction (to the best of my knowledge)
Everyone manipulates the balls (especially Brett and Davisian) to some extent so that's why it's never brought up. I really think behind the scenes Irsay had something to do with the story being reported.
The worst instance of screwing around with footballs was a team (I won't name it) during my college years that used to put a broken popsicle stick into the grass during field goals and extra points. The idea was to give the ball a bit of height off the grass making the kick easier and giving the ball more height off the foot.
Hey, if you want to get all up in arms over this go ahead. I don't think it made any difference. The Colts got trounced. Plain and simple.
Hopefully they beat the Seahawks down in similar fashion so that everyone can get over it.
Ok. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
Have they been busted? Probably depends on your definition of "busted", but I wouldn't be shocked if the Refs have "caught" them with underinflated balls.
If you think the Pats success over the last 15 years has nothing to do with this blowing up as it has, then I have a bridge for sale.
I don't know if everyone does it since no one has ever been caught for it as far as I know and the league obviously has the rule for a reason.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
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pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
That's one way to look at it. The other is to try to understand why the rule exists in the first place. In this case it seems as though the main advantage gained by underinflating a ball is that it's easier for the QB to grip and throw.
Which then begs the question, why is that disallowed, but other (simple) methods of making the ball easier to grip allowed? And which method provides the greater advantage?
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pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
USC got fined a whopping $25K when it got caught a few years ago deflating balls...
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pj, no offense but I think you're being willfully naive if you're going to sit there and say you think this is the first time any team has ever done something like this.
I'm not saying that, but I am saying it's the first time someone has been caught doing it. As far as I know. I just don't have the same firsthand knowledge that some of you do to say "everyone does it". And messing with the ball is different than adjusting the PSI which there is a specific rule about.
I'm not saying everyone does it every game I am just pretty sure the Pats were not the first.
It is what it is. Is anyone going to asterisk their trophy if they win it?
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Doesn't matter if it was a stupid rule, or others do it or did it or other things that may have been similar or worse.
There appears to be a specific rule that the Patriots specifically broke. That is a huge problem for the integrity of game, no matter wether it was benign or not.
I agree with those above that the NFL will obfuscate the findings in a manner that deflects guilt, otherwise they will have to make the Patriots pay, and that won't make anyone happy ever
Good point, the Pats never have to pay...
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Instead, Goodell imposed the biggest fine ever on a coach -- it represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary, which is believed to be $4.2 million -- and took away a first-round draft pick as a penalty for the first time in NFL history.
Spygate penalties - ( New Window )
Finding guilt and penalizing the Pats is lose-lose.
It maligns the game. It reflects poorly on a very succesful franchise that others emulate (or try to). And a penalty will always be considered unfair by Pats fans, and too leinient by everyone else.
Maybe there are others, or maybe if you win you don't care and don't complain about it.
and I never suggested any specific penalty, but if proven the Pats did this intentionally they should absolutely be fined or punished some way.
Otherwise, just scrap the whole rule book since they really become optional or suggestions if there are rules without consequences.
I'm sorry but altering the football.... in the game of football... is a very big deal to me.
Mine would be the same. If it's proven they should be punished. Who really believes their team doesn't have to acknowledge and play by established rules or pay the consequences?
No doubt in my mind.
It would be the same. A rule is a rule. If you don't like the rule or think it's stupid is irrelevant. I don't like that illegal contact results in an automatic first down, but I don't think that the Giants should be exempt from enforcement of it.
1. has a Masters with Summa Cum Spygate honors;
2. and also has a Magna Cum Murderer;
3. a pre-SB Summa Cum non-handshake by its QB,
4. and a post-SB Magna Cum Pout by its HC,
5. and a variety of 'legal' though highly irregular and or questionable actions(and possibly 1 or 2 that were not slipping in),
could possibly be guilty of obtaining an advantage in the
conference CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, after 10 years of often coming close to another window closing era for its key player and HC?
Shirley, you jest(even if found guilty, they sell sell the paraphenalia so they will just get a slap on the penis[ and that is not punishment because they wank their own penis's regularly]).
You do?
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
Three things about the deflated football issue:
1 Its likely, but not certain, that discipline will be deferred till after Super Bowl.
2 Some info about what NFL knows could come out later today or tmrw.
3 Very impt element felt by NFL: 31 other teams watching intently.
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
We'd need 400 ambulances for all the broken ankles...
No doubt in my mind.
Interesting question and i am sure some would move their stance. I would not be as vocal about it, but i would be more disappointed about them doing it. I keep coming back to this claim of everyone doing it. I have yet to see everyone claiming they do it, only 2 so far
PFT, in part ...
The folks at SportsScience addressed this issue in 2010. A ball exposed to 10-degree temperatures for an hour, the pressure drops from 13.5 PSI to 11 PSI.
Of course, that doesnt fully account for a drop from 12.5 PSI to 10.5 PSI in 51-degree weather for 90 minutes or so. But it proves that, when its cold, the pressure inside a football drops.
In this specific situation, it could be that some pressure was removed from the balls, and that the 51-degree temperature did the rest. Regardless, when the mercury drops, footballs naturally deflate, at least a little.
Link - ( New Window )
Because I know what the reaction would be and I know there wouldn't be nearly as much outrage over it. The vast majority of the posters who are annoyed and think it's a big deal would completely change their stance if it were the Giants.
Maybe not. Have you seen how many anti-Giants Giants fans have inundated this site since our last SB win?
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I think there would be a massive dropoff in the "this is a big deal" crowd and a spike in the "it's not a big deal" crowd if that were the case.
No doubt in my mind.
Interesting question and i am sure some would move their stance. I would not be as vocal about it, but i would be more disappointed about them doing it. I keep coming back to this claim of everyone doing it. I have yet to see everyone claiming they do it, only 2 so far
They had to institute the K Balls because teams were constantly fucking around with balls. That is the exact reason they did that.
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There are only 2 QB's (one of them actually admitted he bribed people to doctor the balls for a SB, but that was an advantage for both QB's since it involved extra scuffing of the 100 balls used) who have claimed to fiddle the balls. The other question is while others may have done this, have any done it to the level of 2 lbs per square inch?
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The folks at SportsScience addressed this issue in 2010. A ball exposed to 10-degree temperatures for an hour, the pressure drops from 13.5 PSI to 11 PSI.
Of course, that doesnt fully account for a drop from 12.5 PSI to 10.5 PSI in 51-degree weather for 90 minutes or so. But it proves that, when its cold, the pressure inside a football drops.
In this specific situation, it could be that some pressure was removed from the balls, and that the 51-degree temperature did the rest. Regardless, when the mercury drops, footballs naturally deflate, at least a little. Link - ( New Window )
Easy to check, compare them to the colts balls
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Regarding the weather effect the weight, i think that somewhat gets neutered with the fact that there was 1 ball that was the proper weight