Chris Mortensen & #8207;3 minutes ago
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sundays AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 17s18 seconds ago Foxborough, MA
Brady says in Monday radio interview, he thought this might be "sour grapes."
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 30s31 seconds ago
Of the 24 balls designated for the game. Says checked them pre-game and "thought they were perfect"
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 17s17 seconds ago Foxborough, MA
Tom Brady: "i felt like we won the game fair as square...that was a great feeling after the game."
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 20s20 seconds ago
Brady: "I felt like we won the game fair and square."
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 22s22 seconds ago Foxborough, MA
Tom Brady: "it's disappointing that a situation like this happens...it should be a great two weeks...I wish I could give you more answers."
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 7s7 seconds ago
Brady says he is unsure if the NFL investigators will approach him or not. Has no knowledge one way or the other if they will
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 39s40 seconds ago Foxborough, MA
Tom Brady: "I didn't feel any different" in how ball felt in game... "It was a very wet, cold, windy night."
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 49s50 seconds ago
Brady says it he doesn't "sit there and squeeze the ball" and "if that's what the Colts want to do" then that's what they can do
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 55s56 seconds ago
Tom Brady: "I did not recognize that. I did not notice between the first half and the second half."
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 11s12 seconds ago
Tom Brady on what he tells his concerned friends: "I tell them I'm gonna be ok. This isn't ISIS. People aren't dying."
Does anyone that understands football think that scuffing the balls to make them easier to grip or deflating them had any affect on the outcome of the Pats game? Does it have any affect on any game? I don't think so. In fact, I think the QBs should be allowed to scuff the balls up and to deflate them for a better grip. Let each team use the footballs they want. Provided they are the same size deflated, made of leather and filled only with air, I don't give a flying you know what how doctored they are. In fact, I'd encourage them to get their balls game-ready.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 30s30 seconds ago Massachusetts, USA
Checked to see if league office had reached out to Tom Brady regarding DeflateGate. League declined comment at this time.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 24s25 seconds ago Massachusetts, USA
World's strangest scandal could tarnish the career of arguably the finest quarterback in the history of NFL football. File that away.
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 14m14 minutes ago Massachusetts, USA
So if Brady didn't do this but he did know ballboy who did, would Twitter court love him for handing kid in or hate him for squealing?
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
I asked Samuel whether the league would care if Brady lied to the press, so long as he told the truth to the league when they came around asking questions.
Ebenezer Samuel tweeted
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
I asked Samuel whether the league would care if Brady lied to the press, so long as he told the truth to the league when they came around asking questions.
I don't believe the NFL has put out anything official yet. When they do you think they would lie to match Brady's denial?
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Hank Gola @NYDNHankGola 4m4 minutes ago
Hebert: "I dont think he told the ball boys what to do with the balls that day but hes been there so long, they know how he likes them."
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Hank Gola @NYDNHankGola 5m5 minutes ago
Former USFL/NFL QB Bobby Hebert on Brady: Hes not lying but its almost a half-truth."
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
LOL.....is Myers serious? People have been denying and lying since the beginning of time, only to be exposed later.
Does anyone that understands football think that scuffing the balls to make them easier to grip or deflating them had any affect on the outcome of the Pats game? Does it have any affect on any game? I don't think so. In fact, I think the QBs should be allowed to scuff the balls up and to deflate them for a better grip. Let each team use the footballs they want. Provided they are the same size deflated, made of leather and filled only with air, I don't give a flying you know what how doctored they are. In fact, I'd encourage them to get their balls game-ready.
They are allowed to scuff up the balls. Each team provides their own balls that they use, so each QB can scuff or not scuff up the balls to his own liking. They just can't deflate/inflate them outside the accepted range.
has to lie right now. If he comes out and admits it was his doing he risks being suspended for the super bowl.
Not saying that the NFL would do that, but if he admits anything he opens up that possibility. Now he just has to hope truth doesnt come out for at least another 10 or so days
has to lie right now. If he comes out and admits it was his doing he risks being suspended for the super bowl.
Not saying that the NFL would do that, but if he admits anything he opens up that possibility. Now he just has to hope truth doesnt come out for at least another 10 or so days
Hard to imagine the Pats being able to stall for more than a week.
This is complete bullshit. A trumped up issue by the media.
nothing even happened yet. The only facts we have are that 11 of 12 balls were illegal. If it didn't give you a competitive advantage it wouldn't be against the rules.
I get that it was a blowout, but regardless of score, the integrity of the league has been yet again compromised.
It absolutely matters.
'Patriots players know nothing about this whole ball business'
While Bill Belichick and Tom Brady drew all the attention at the podium, the rest of the Patriots all spent Thursday answering questions about #DeflateGate.
And amazingly, to a man, they professed no knowledge of any impropriety.
[...]
People are certainly stirred up, but the Patriots are kidding themselves if they think this story is about the balls themselves. Its the pattern of behavior that has created the firestorm, and will cause this story to dominate coverage next week and beyond. Article on PFT - ( New Window )
Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 26m26 minutes ago
If NFL let's QBs use their own altered balls why do they care about air pressure? Let Brady play with 11 PSI & Rodgers 15 PSI. Who cares?
Tom Brady didn't know about the balls being altered. His hands are on those footballs hundreds of times during the week leading up to the game. The ball is his baseball glove or track shoe or baseball bat or hockey stick. There is no possibility that he didn't have a hand in deflating the footballs. No equipment manager on the planet would deflate gameballs. NO way.
That said, it's pretty difficult to surmise that the game would have been different had the balls been unaltered.
The most disappointing thing is that Brady lied. Completely bold faced lied to everyone. And the Patriots are passing the buck. They have a history of bending and sometimes breaking the rules. And yet again the Patriots are complicit in deceiving the league and its fans.
Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 26m26 minutes ago
If NFL let's QBs use their own altered balls why do they care about air pressure? Let Brady play with 11 PSI & Rodgers 15 PSI. Who cares?
Maybe thats something that could be discussed down the line, but as of right now thats not the case. They didnt knowing what the rules are.
Think that Bill putting it off of him and onto Brady is a
organizational move. Because if he's distanced from it greater chance it's a Brady fine and not an organizational fine which could cost them draft picks.
Bill probably told Tom you can do what you want but if you get caught it's on you. Those two talk about everything.
What I haven't heard is a detailed description of how the ref checks the balls before the game. Does he measure the psi? Could the pats be giving the ref underinflated balls and they not being detected or do the balls have to be altered after they have been inspected? Anyway, it seems weird that the ref would check the balls and give them back to the ballboy/equipment manager. Isn't that almost an invite for tampering? Seems the NFL and not just the Pats have some 'splanin to do.
What I haven't heard is a detailed description of how the ref checks the balls before the game. Does he measure the psi? Could the pats be giving the ref underinflated balls and they not being detected or do the balls have to be altered after they have been inspected? Anyway, it seems weird that the ref would check the balls and give them back to the ballboy/equipment manager. Isn't that almost an invite for tampering? Seems the NFL and not just the Pats have some 'splanin to do.
Supposedly the refs get the balls (12 from each team + 12 backups from the home team) about 2 hours before the game and they are supposed to test them at that point. Then the refs hold onto them until the teams are taking the field.
Perhaps a crazy theory - the under inflated balls are left in a sauna for a couple of hours then brought out for inspection and tested at 12.5 psi. After being exposed to room temperature followed by outside temperature of 50 degrees they are down to 10.5 psi by halftime. The outside temperature would have to be around -10 to lose 2 psi from room temperature but not if the room temp started at about 130.
Even an NFL ref would probably notice if the balls had been in a Sauna for several hours. I know PV=nRT but how do you determine pressure loss for a football per degree?
Even an NFL ref would probably notice if the balls had been in a Sauna for several hours. I know PV=nRT but how do you determine pressure loss for a football per degree?
P1/T1 = P2/T2 (temps in Kelvin)
T2 = (P2/P1)*T1
So the game temp was 50 deg F (10 deg C = 283 K). Supposedly the ball was tested at 12.5 PSI pre-game and then dropped to 10.5 PSI
That would mean the starting temp would have to be 337 K or ~145 deg F.
This has no impact in games. The NFL should investigate the amount of juicing the Seahawks do if they want to do something meaningful that probably does impact games. THAT is cheating, not a football that is slightly deflated.
Also, I appreciate the point about the officials checking the balls before the game and keeping watch (as if it would have any impact). Did they do that and what did it show?
Kevin Kernan retweeted
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 9m9 minutes ago
No doubt the best outcome for Pats is for Brady to take the hit. If coach implicated, major discipline at risk. If Brady owns it, a fine.
************************************
You're very welcome, Montana
Even if they put it on Brady, somebody within the organization (equipment guys) had to do the deflating. The Pats organization is responsible for its employees. A fine to Brady and/or the Pats alone wont cut it. Its an invitation to all other teams to go around the rules if all it cost is some money that will be made up and and then sum if you make it to the playoffs/SB
This has no impact in games. The NFL should investigate the amount of juicing the Seahawks do if they want to do something meaningful that probably does impact games. THAT is cheating, not a football that is slightly deflated.
Also, I appreciate the point about the officials checking the balls before the game and keeping watch (as if it would have any impact). Did they do that and what did it show?
How do you know it won't have an impact? There have been a couple of ex-players who came out and said these 2 lbs would make it easier to throw, catch, and hang onto.
Yes the officials weighed them at the start, halftime, and end of game. These facts have been covered repeatedly in the media, so if your having to ask this you have not really read too much up on the subject
"A loss of 2 psi" does NOT mean dropping from 12.5 psi to 11.5psi
I have seen this incorrect interpretation many times in the last couple days, that this is a 16% loss of air pressure (2/12.5).
When we say something (a ball, a tire) is of 0 psi, it does not mean it has no air pressure at all; it does not mean that it is 0 psi in the absolute sense. It means it has the same pressure as the natural condition, which is 14.7 psi. This is the pressure that your skin and my skin are under at this moment walking on the street.
Therefore, when the ref pumps the ball to the proper pressure of 12.5 psi, its absolute value is 12.5 + 14.7 = 28.2 psi.
And after it loses 2 psi, its absolute value is now 26.2 psi, for a loss of (1 - 26.2/28.2) = 7%, thus not require nearly the impossible natural condition (wetness, temperature drop) for it to happen as compared to a 16% loss.
I am not on the New England side at all. I believe the balls were intentionally altered during the game. Just physics here.
Brady says in Monday radio interview, he thought this might be "sour grapes."
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 30s31 seconds ago
Of the 24 balls designated for the game. Says checked them pre-game and "thought they were perfect"
Tom Brady: "i felt like we won the game fair as square...that was a great feeling after the game."
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 20s20 seconds ago
Brady: "I felt like we won the game fair and square."
Tom Brady: "it's disappointing that a situation like this happens...it should be a great two weeks...I wish I could give you more answers."
Brady on the league: "They'll do what they sit fit."
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 47s47 seconds ago
Brady: "It's disappointing that a situation like this happens." Won't apologize when asked to.
"I don't want anyone playing with those balls"
"I want those balls zipped up and locked away until I play with them"
Brady asked if NFL investigators have spoken with him: "Not yet."
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 26s27 seconds ago Foxborough, MA
Brady said he has not been spoken to by league investigators yet.
Brady says he is unsure if the NFL investigators will approach him or not. Has no knowledge one way or the other if they will
Brady: "I didn't feel any difference."
Tom Brady: "I didn't feel any different" in how ball felt in game... "It was a very wet, cold, windy night."
Brady says it he doesn't "sit there and squeeze the ball" and "if that's what the Colts want to do" then that's what they can do
Ebenezer Samuel @ebenezersamuel 55s56 seconds ago
Tom Brady: "I did not recognize that. I did not notice between the first half and the second half."
Tom Brady: "I certainly wouldn't want them to take away us breaking the balls in."
Tom Brady when asked who handles the balls after ref check: "I have no idea."
Tom Brady on what he tells his concerned friends: "I tell them I'm gonna be ok. This isn't ISIS. People aren't dying."
Brady asked equipment staff if they changed balls: "They haven't and I believe them."
I think it's more than a couple...
Checked to see if league office had reached out to Tom Brady regarding DeflateGate. League declined comment at this time.
World's strangest scandal could tarnish the career of arguably the finest quarterback in the history of NFL football. File that away.
So if Brady didn't do this but he did know ballboy who did, would Twitter court love him for handing kid in or hate him for squealing?
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
I asked Samuel whether the league would care if Brady lied to the press, so long as he told the truth to the league when they came around asking questions.
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Ebenezer Samuel tweeted
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
I asked Samuel whether the league would care if Brady lied to the press, so long as he told the truth to the league when they came around asking questions.
I don't believe the NFL has put out anything official yet. When they do you think they would lie to match Brady's denial?
Hank Gola @NYDNHankGola 4m4 minutes ago
Hebert: "I dont think he told the ball boys what to do with the balls that day but hes been there so long, they know how he likes them."
Ebenezer Samuel retweeted
Hank Gola @NYDNHankGola 5m5 minutes ago
Former USFL/NFL QB Bobby Hebert on Brady: Hes not lying but its almost a half-truth."
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN 21m21 minutes ago
One reason to believe Brady: The truth will come out. In this case, cover up would be worse than crime. He's got too much at stake to lie.
LOL.....is Myers serious? People have been denying and lying since the beginning of time, only to be exposed later.
Bill Clinton anyone???
They are allowed to scuff up the balls. Each team provides their own balls that they use, so each QB can scuff or not scuff up the balls to his own liking. They just can't deflate/inflate them outside the accepted range.
Not saying that the NFL would do that, but if he admits anything he opens up that possibility. Now he just has to hope truth doesnt come out for at least another 10 or so days
Not saying that the NFL would do that, but if he admits anything he opens up that possibility. Now he just has to hope truth doesnt come out for at least another 10 or so days
Hard to imagine the Pats being able to stall for more than a week.
I get that it was a blowout, but regardless of score, the integrity of the league has been yet again compromised.
It absolutely matters.
And amazingly, to a man, they professed no knowledge of any impropriety.
[...]
People are certainly stirred up, but the Patriots are kidding themselves if they think this story is about the balls themselves. Its the pattern of behavior that has created the firestorm, and will cause this story to dominate coverage next week and beyond.
Article on PFT - ( New Window )
If NFL let's QBs use their own altered balls why do they care about air pressure? Let Brady play with 11 PSI & Rodgers 15 PSI. Who cares?
That said, it's pretty difficult to surmise that the game would have been different had the balls been unaltered.
The most disappointing thing is that Brady lied. Completely bold faced lied to everyone. And the Patriots are passing the buck. They have a history of bending and sometimes breaking the rules. And yet again the Patriots are complicit in deceiving the league and its fans.
If NFL let's QBs use their own altered balls why do they care about air pressure? Let Brady play with 11 PSI & Rodgers 15 PSI. Who cares?
Maybe thats something that could be discussed down the line, but as of right now thats not the case. They didnt knowing what the rules are.
Bill probably told Tom you can do what you want but if you get caught it's on you. Those two talk about everything.
Supposedly the refs get the balls (12 from each team + 12 backups from the home team) about 2 hours before the game and they are supposed to test them at that point. Then the refs hold onto them until the teams are taking the field.
P1/T1 = P2/T2 (temps in Kelvin)
T2 = (P2/P1)*T1
So the game temp was 50 deg F (10 deg C = 283 K). Supposedly the ball was tested at 12.5 PSI pre-game and then dropped to 10.5 PSI
That would mean the starting temp would have to be 337 K or ~145 deg F.
Also, I appreciate the point about the officials checking the balls before the game and keeping watch (as if it would have any impact). Did they do that and what did it show?
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 9m9 minutes ago
No doubt the best outcome for Pats is for Brady to take the hit. If coach implicated, major discipline at risk. If Brady owns it, a fine.
************************************
You're very welcome, Montana
Even if they put it on Brady, somebody within the organization (equipment guys) had to do the deflating. The Pats organization is responsible for its employees. A fine to Brady and/or the Pats alone wont cut it. Its an invitation to all other teams to go around the rules if all it cost is some money that will be made up and and then sum if you make it to the playoffs/SB
Also, I appreciate the point about the officials checking the balls before the game and keeping watch (as if it would have any impact). Did they do that and what did it show?
How do you know it won't have an impact? There have been a couple of ex-players who came out and said these 2 lbs would make it easier to throw, catch, and hang onto.
Yes the officials weighed them at the start, halftime, and end of game. These facts have been covered repeatedly in the media, so if your having to ask this you have not really read too much up on the subject
I have seen this incorrect interpretation many times in the last couple days, that this is a 16% loss of air pressure (2/12.5).
When we say something (a ball, a tire) is of 0 psi, it does not mean it has no air pressure at all; it does not mean that it is 0 psi in the absolute sense. It means it has the same pressure as the natural condition, which is 14.7 psi. This is the pressure that your skin and my skin are under at this moment walking on the street.
Therefore, when the ref pumps the ball to the proper pressure of 12.5 psi, its absolute value is 12.5 + 14.7 = 28.2 psi.
And after it loses 2 psi, its absolute value is now 26.2 psi, for a loss of (1 - 26.2/28.2) = 7%, thus not require nearly the impossible natural condition (wetness, temperature drop) for it to happen as compared to a 16% loss.
I am not on the New England side at all. I believe the balls were intentionally altered during the game. Just physics here.