As much as NYG needs OL help, I think they need to bring in some young, fresh talent to DE and DT. Keeping FA out of it, I've come up with a list of names I would consider in each tier of the draft (Day 1/Day 2). We can dicuss Day 3 at a later time.
Round 1
DT Leonard Williams - USC - 6'4/295
DT Danny Shelton - Washington - 6'2/243
DE Alvin Dupree - Kentucky - 6'3/264
DE Shane Ray - Missouri - 6'3/255
Williams is still the grade in this class for me, but Shelton is really close. He is the closest thing we have seen to Ngata, one of the rarest prospects I have ever seen. Dupree and Ray are questionable DEs for the 4-3 but like I said a few weeks ago, NYG needs to get innovative sometimes and be able to throw a guy like that in to the system. They are elite-caliber edge guys with rare explosion and functional strength. They need to be considered.
Round 2/3
DE Arik Armstead - Oregon - 6'8/298
DE Henry Anderson - Stanford - 6'6/287
DT Carl Davis - Iowa - 6'5/321
DE Owamagbe Odigihizuwa - UCLA - 6'3/266
DE Nate Orchard - Utah - 6'3/251
DT Malcom Brown - Texas - 6'4/320
A lot of value in this group and there are probably a few more names we can toss in there. Armstead and Odigiizuwa were not top notch producers in college but they are very tools rich. I think both can be STARS in the league. That are both worth taking in round 2 because they aren't just athlete, they have alot of football player in them. Anderson was a favorite of min yesterday and I have a few guys in Mobile saying he looks like the best DL at the Senior Bowl. Doesn't surprise me at all. I've spoken about Davis a few times, he just screams NFL when you watch him on tape. Better version of Linval Joseph, but similar style.
Should be 343.
Not huge on Fowler. I'll have him somewhere in the 35-45 range but I don't see the fit in the 4-3. He is too light in the pants. His upside is a Melvin Ingram type, probably needs a 3-4 only.
What I think NYG should do doesn't correlate with what I think they will do.
They are a pretty stubborn group of decision makers in the draft I think. So to answer your question, I do not think they will draft Ray at #9, or even consider him.
I'm not a big fan of any of these edge rushers at #9.
Shelton on the otherhand is my guy right now. Eats space makes plays. Simple to see the impact with him.
I'm not a big fan of any of these edge rushers at #9.
Shelton on the otherhand is my guy right now. Eats space makes plays. Simple to see the impact with him.
Ray is the most explosive of them all. He can go 0-60 right away with good pad level and functional power. He doesn't weight a lot, but he hits as hard as anyone.
Dupree is the best fit for a traditional 4-3 scheme. He might have the most upside of the three.
Fowler if a scheme/role specific guy that I don't see being a dominant caliber guy at all. Solid? Yes. But nothing I would go crazy over.
I wasn't scouting at that time.
Completely different players, but Shelton will likely finish with a very similar, maybe even higher, grade than Donald.
Anderson, DE from Stanford seemed versatile with some decent get off.
I have always been in the "winning starts up front" camp, as is TC, so I don't care how they address these needs as long as they give them priority over receivers, corners, or other positions where they are pretty well set, and even over other obvious needs like 'backers, TEs, and RBs.
I don't think Shane Ray can play 4-3 end at all, but if the team is convinced he's a special athlete, then that may merit a change to a Seahawks' style of 4-3 defense.
I don't think anyone would have passed Clowney at this time last year. Monday Morning QBs will say Clowney shouldn't have gone #1...but everyone would have seen him as #1 no matter what.
Top 100 is a possibility. He looked good at Shrine but the OL talent there was pretty bad.
He was put in to a tough spot at Miami having to play in a 3-4. I don't see any star in him, but a solid 4-3 DE that can backup both spots and play 1-15 snaps per game? Sure.
He has a lot of tape where he does look the part. And he is pretty tools rich. Here is my summary from my report on him:
Junior entry. Tools-rich with a high ceiling if he can continue to physically develop on the current track he has been on. Harold will also need to improve his skill set. He needs to work on his pass rush repertoire and consistent use of technique and mechanics. He shows superb movement in space and plays an aggressive brand of football. He knows how to finish and there is a lot of quick reaction associated with his game. He should be viewed as a developmental prospect that won’t need too long before he is ready for an important role as an edge rusher.
Final Grade: 3rd round
Also, Lorenzo Mauldin interests me. He could be the type of guy that fills the role the Giants had pegged for O'Brien Schofield.
Don't think we'll get anywhere near Williams, and I don't want to trade up to do so. Shelton would be great at #9. Incredibly stout against the run, and with surprising good pursuit. Not just a phone booth guy. He and Hankins would be a great pair of DTs. Bring Bromley in for relief and on pass rush downs.
I still think Armstead should have gone back for another year, especially after being plagued by his ankle injury. But there is no question about his size speed combination. Could easily see him being BPA at #40, but he's likely to go before then IMO.
Davis would be a great pick at #40. Doesn't offer quite what Shelton does, but he's taller, and again, he and Hankins would really do wonders for the run defense.
I also like Eli Harold. He'd be a great pick in the third, but I'd be surprised if he lasts that long.
We need OL and DL, and this draft is loaded in those areas.
That WR from Miami seems to be a good fit for them.
Don't think we'll get anywhere near Williams, and I don't want to trade up to do so. Shelton would be great at #9. Incredibly stout against the run, and with surprising good pursuit. Not just a phone booth guy. He and Hankins would be a great pair of DTs. Bring Bromley in for relief and on pass rush downs.
I still think Armstead should have gone back for another year, especially after being plagued by his ankle injury. But there is no question about his size speed combination. Could easily see him being BPA at #40, but he's likely to go before then IMO.
Davis would be a great pick at #40. Doesn't offer quite what Shelton does, but he's taller, and again, he and Hankins would really do wonders for the run defense.
I also like Eli Harold. He'd be a great pick in the third, but I'd be surprised if he lasts that long.
We need OL and DL, and this draft is loaded in those areas.
Tougher draft to figure this year when compared to last year IMO.
Too raw. Was smart to go back for more seasoning.