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superspynyg : 1/22/2015 9:33 am
Jon Morosi of Fox Sports was on Hot Stove just now put out HIS idea of of Yanks trading Betances to Nationals for Ximmerman or Fister. Right away both hosts said the Yanks would never do this and I agree.

Why would we trade our best young pitcher and potential closer for a pitcher who is a free agent after this season for a player. With the Yanks rebuilding that would be a 1 year rental in a losing season.
Zimmerman  
superspynyg : 1/22/2015 9:34 am : link
Not Ximmerman
yanks are going to be bad again  
theold5j : 1/22/2015 9:41 am : link
i feel like they are waiting until they can get CC, Arod and Tex off the books and until then they are content with being an average to below average team.
To hell with that.  
BeerFridge : 1/22/2015 9:47 am : link
Those two guys are good pitchers but we don't need starters that badly.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2015 9:49 am : link
don't think the Nats do it either. Most reports are they would want to replenish their farm with a trade of one of the SP because their core is getting expensive. Betances is a monster but the Nats have Barrett to replace Clippard + there are actually quite a few interesting relievers still available for them including Chamberlain.
Zimmermann as an ace starter  
RetroJint : 1/22/2015 10:40 am : link
is far more valuable but the Yankees can't structure another 150 million over 6 years that it would take to keep him. I don't believe in approaching games ass-backwards from the 9th inning nor do I subscribe to the theory that your best arm pitches the mystical Ninth. The Yankees should move Betances's workload from 90 to 125 innings this season.

As for the near term, they have too many flat tires like CC , Arod & Tex to make major commitments for the next couple of seasons. Nobody connected with the team is saying it because they don't want to scare aware fans, viewers and sponsors but that's what is going on. 15 & 16 absorb the hit.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2015 10:42 am : link
think Zimmermann gets more than 150 if Scherzer got 210 (even if some is deferred)
RE: yanks are going to be bad again  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12104838 theold5j said:
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i feel like they are waiting until they can get CC, Arod and Tex off the books and until then they are content with being an average to below average team.


They're being realistic about their short-term prospects. They are mediocre at the moment, and there really isn't any feasible way for them to become much better than mediocre at the moment. The smart course for the next couple of years is to maintain roster and payroll flexibility, and see if some of the young guys like Ref, Bird and Judge will be ready to step in.

Down the line, some of these huge extensions for good young players are going to be albatrosses for some teams, and I imagine the Yankees will be well-positioned to vulture some quality (but overpaid) players.
I thought the Yankees were good enough to make the playoffs last year  
AJ23 : 1/22/2015 10:44 am : link
and they underperformed. I think they're in the same place they were last year. Let's see how they perform.
actually, they outperformed their pythag pretty significantly  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2015 10:53 am : link
By eight games (pythag of 77-85, actual 84-78). Considering how punchless the lineup was and how many injuries the pitching staff had to weather, it's hard to say they underachieved.

I think they'll be a bit better in 2015. Gregorius likely improves the black hole that was shortstop even if he doesn't hit better than last year simply by being a plus defender. They'll have a full season of Headley. McCann hit better at the end of the year, so there's some hope he can rebound. They need Eovaldi to pitch well and Tanaka and Pineda to stay healthy, so there is still plenty of uncertainty.
I think they are trying to find building blocks as they wait for  
BeerFridge : 1/22/2015 10:58 am : link
crap contracts to expire. I approve of this approach.
As much as some want to call this rebuilding  
Matt M. : 1/22/2015 11:02 am : link
I don't see. This team should be better than last year, which, even with its dismal offense was still in contention until the very end of the season. Is this going to be a great team? No. But, they are certainly above average and will be in the playoff hunt in September.

First, McCann improved late in the season and his career numbers are much better than what we got last year. It is reasonable to expect improvement there. Second, full season of Headley and A-Rod at 3B is worlds better than the 1.5 seasons at 3B previously, by a number of stiffs. Third, Gregorius will vastly improve our defense. Offense at SS will likely drop off, but the last two seasons by Jeter weren't exactly stellar, either. Fourth, we really can't much worse production out of 2B, even with one of the rookies.

There are still holes, but they are the same holes as last year. Teixeira is likely to continue to suck, but at least we aren't getting worse. Beltran is likely to miss time due to injuries. But, if healthy, he can add some pop without being relied heavily on.

To me, a huge key this season will be Tanaka. If his arm is sound and he pitches the whole season, our staff can be pretty good. If not, we are without an ace and really just a mediocre staff.
Regardless of the outcome  
Bake54 : 1/22/2015 11:15 am : link
there are enough stories to cover on this team to last a season so it will be interesting to watch. I really want to see how Tanaka and CC do plus I want to watch this Gregorius kid play.
I agree that the offense will be better  
illmatic : 1/22/2015 11:19 am : link
but I think the pitching won't be as good. They'll probably finish with about the same record they had last season if they stay relatively healthy. And easily worse than last year if guys like Tanaka go down. But I guess a lot of it depends on how the young guys like Gregorius and Eovaldi perform.
We have good defense and the Opening Day lineup...  
Dunedin81 : 1/22/2015 11:22 am : link
should be significantly better. If you get 80+ starts from Tanaka, Pineda and Nova this can be an 88 win team.
RE: We have good defense and the Opening Day lineup...  
BeerFridge : 1/22/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12105060 Dunedin81 said:
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should be significantly better. If you get 80+ starts from Tanaka, Pineda and Nova this can be an 88 win team.


Where would you put the probability of 80+ starts from those three?
I'm cautiously optimistic about Pineda and Tanaka  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2015 1:15 pm : link
Not expecting a whole lot out of Nova this year, though. He won't be back until midseason, and then it's reasonable to expect some struggles while he works off the rust.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Sabathia gives them some at least average quality starts.
RE: RE: We have good defense and the Opening Day lineup...  
Dunedin81 : 1/22/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12105276 BeerFridge said:
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In comment 12105060 Dunedin81 said:


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should be significantly better. If you get 80+ starts from Tanaka, Pineda and Nova this can be an 88 win team.



Where would you put the probability of 80+ starts from those three?


50/50, max. Nova hopefully back by the end of May, Tanaka and Pineda would need to stay healthy.
I think Eovaldi  
Phil in LA : 1/22/2015 1:20 pm : link
has a chance for a big season if they take away his changeup as the metrics dictate they should.
Yeah, Nova should be a reasonable bet for 20 starts without a setback  
BeerFridge : 1/22/2015 1:22 pm : link
If we get 60 then from Tanaka and Pineda? I'm stoked at that point.
RE: I think Eovaldi  
Dunedin81 : 1/22/2015 1:23 pm : link
In comment 12105297 Phil in LA said:
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has a chance for a big season if they take away his changeup as the metrics dictate they should.


I'm excited about him. His downside is still a serviceable innings eater but he could potentially be a lot more than that. But even if he goes 17-10 with a 3.25 ERA we'll struggle if we don't have at least two of Nova, Pineda and Tanaka healthy.
I'm relying  
Phil in LA : 1/22/2015 1:42 pm : link
on Tanaka, Pineda and Eovaldi more than I am on Nova.
K-rate  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2015 2:10 pm : link
and HR/FB rate will dictate what Eovaldi is. I question how many bats he will suddenly miss since he never has been a high strikeout guy but he absolutely can learn to reduce the amount of fly balls he allows by keeping the ball down better.
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