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Was this a good year for the NFL?

dep026 : 1/22/2015 11:27 am
Thinking back this year in the NFL, the stories that are the most prominent ave been.

1. Ray Rice
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Deflategate
4. Controversial calls in playoffs
5. New penalty procedures

IMO, if the most memorable things you can remember all bring negative attention to the product, something is wrong. I am sure ESPN/NFL network brought more coverage to these stories than say...

- Incredible/historic years from Justin Houston/JJ Watt
- the re-emergence of running games (Bell, Murray, Lynch)
- Greatness from guys like Rodgers, Luck, Brady
- One of the best offensive rookie classes ever
- Emergence of the Cowboys (yuck, but it is true)


And there are about a hundred more football stories that could have been talked about that is overshadowed by controversial and negative press. It's sad to say but as far as quality, the NFL is dropping below a lot of other sports.

- Ill leave it to the soccer fans to explain why soccer is in just great shape around the world.
- The NBA product and talent is at its highest since the 80s
- NHL is growing by the day
- MLB turned out one of the best playoffs in recent history.
- Golf and tennis have had some outstanding individual performances as well.
- Nascar - ehhh, that doesnt count...

And the sad thing is I dont think the NFL big wigs care much about the quality of the product it presents because the $$$$$$$$$ is just so astronomical. It's a shame. Because for about 5-6 years now, unless the Giants played in it, the SB just doesnt excite me as it use too.
Terrible year...  
Chris in Philly : 1/22/2015 11:29 am : link
Worst year I can remember.

And yet...

2014 Draft Class  
SGMen : 1/22/2015 11:33 am : link
The only thing that can keep this draft back from being an all-time great one is the lack of a top notch #1 QB. Derek Carr looked good and who is to say he can't jump up but I'm not sure about say QB Bortles and how high his ceiling truly is now.

I would say this draft will likely be one of the greatest for wideouts as I think all the first round picks will have stellar careers.
I think NFL players learned a very important lesson  
mfsd : 1/22/2015 11:36 am : link
if you're going to beat the crap out of your wife/girlfriend, make sure you do it off camera, b/c then you will get in trouble for it
RE: I think NFL players learned a very important lesson  
mfsd : 1/22/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12105091 mfsd said:
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if you're going to beat the crap out of your wife/girlfriend, make sure you do it off camera, b/c then you will get in trouble for it


meant to say, you will get in trouble, if you get caught on camera...
I think the fact that the league took  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2015 11:37 am : link
major PR hits on the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson stories, and that the week leading up to the Super Bowl is being spent talking about a potential scandal for one of the teams is not exactly what the NFL would have drawn up.

However, they made another ship load of money, so they'll take it.
Horrible year  
Phil in LA : 1/22/2015 11:43 am : link
and now they have a Super Bowl that's being overshadowed by another Pats scandal.
The story is always off the game itself  
Go Terps : 1/22/2015 11:44 am : link
This has been a problem for a while now, but the NFL seems to love it. None of the pregame shows or accompanying 'analysis' are geared towards actually discussing the tactics or teaching fans about the game. Enormous effort and resources are put into off-field issues in an effort to humanize players and make them more palatable to the increasingly shitty fan base.

We get no discussion of the nuts and bolts of Seattle's defense or why Aaron Rodgers's throwing mechanics make him such a great passer, but we do get a ton of JJ Watt's charitable work, Colin Kaepernick being adopted, or whatever good cause the NFL is cashing in on this month.

It seems like many people in high places in the NFL and its partner networks don't actually like the game of football itself, and it shows.
RE: The story is always off the game itself  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 11:51 am : link
In comment 12105113 Go Terps said:
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This has been a problem for a while now, but the NFL seems to love it. None of the pregame shows or accompanying 'analysis' are geared towards actually discussing the tactics or teaching fans about the game. Enormous effort and resources are put into off-field issues in an effort to humanize players and make them more palatable to the increasingly shitty fan base.

We get no discussion of the nuts and bolts of Seattle's defense or why Aaron Rodgers's throwing mechanics make him such a great passer, but we do get a ton of JJ Watt's charitable work, Colin Kaepernick being adopted, or whatever good cause the NFL is cashing in on this month.

It seems like many people in high places in the NFL and its partner networks don't actually like the game of football itself, and it shows.


It's not the '80s-'90s when football talk, analysis and commentary mattered..I haven't watched pre or post games(save for our SBs in many years..They are largely awful and uninformative..NFLN had a chance to bring us diehards relevant info, but they essentially became ESPN II..

Twitter has made and will make matters much worse with the tracking of every bowel movement and belch..Yes, I love when you guys bring breaking news(FA, cuts, trades), but that's it..

The officiating and their hamstrung rules have made watching anything other than Giants painful and for the first time that I can recall, I have greatly limited watching other games
Every year  
newjacksm : 1/22/2015 12:13 pm : link
it gets progressively worse. I think I have been losing interest since the 2008 season. It's been getting worse every since then.
RE: The story is always off the game itself  
rocco8112 : 1/22/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12105113 Go Terps said:
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This has been a problem for a while now, but the NFL seems to love it. None of the pregame shows or accompanying 'analysis' are geared towards actually discussing the tactics or teaching fans about the game. Enormous effort and resources are put into off-field issues in an effort to humanize players and make them more palatable to the increasingly shitty fan base.

We get no discussion of the nuts and bolts of Seattle's defense or why Aaron Rodgers's throwing mechanics make him such a great passer, but we do get a ton of JJ Watt's charitable work, Colin Kaepernick being adopted, or whatever good cause the NFL is cashing in on this month.

It seems like many people in high places in the NFL and its partner networks don't actually like the game of football itself, and it shows.


These are great points. I agree completely.

One of the main goals of the commissioner should be protecting the integrity of the game. To be a steward for professional football. The NFL now just whores the sport out to make the most money. It is like they want the league to be like reality TV.

It is so sad how in this era of information, there is way less discussion of the sport itself then ever.
Not sure  
old man : 1/22/2015 1:05 pm : link
But it is for jolly Roger.
Screwed up enough for 2(TWO) CEOs to be fired, but he's still there, and will likely beat his 44.3M earnings from last year.
The NFL sacrifices depth for breadth  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2015 1:13 pm : link
They're building a fan base a mile wide but a foot deep. They cater aggressively to the nonfan who blows a lot of money on fantasy fucking football at the expense of the quality of the game, because hey, you suckers will keep coming back for more regardless.
Definitely not.  
Red Dog : 1/22/2015 1:19 pm : link
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Terps  
JonC : 1/22/2015 1:59 pm : link
whereas prior to the last, let's say ten years, it seemed like everyone understood what made the NFL tick, how the hardcore fans bonded with it, etc. Perhaps even the execs involved on the NFL and TV side also loved the NFL. Now? Sucks by comparison.
RE: Terps  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12105376 JonC said:
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whereas prior to the last, let's say ten years, it seemed like everyone understood what made the NFL tick, how the hardcore fans bonded with it, etc. Perhaps even the execs involved on the NFL and TV side also loved the NFL. Now? Sucks by comparison.


I have no desire to do it, but how much do you think FF has impacted how the NFL is viewed nowadays?
RE: Terps  
Go Terps : 1/22/2015 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12105376 JonC said:
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whereas prior to the last, let's say ten years, it seemed like everyone understood what made the NFL tick, how the hardcore fans bonded with it, etc. Perhaps even the execs involved on the NFL and TV side also loved the NFL. Now? Sucks by comparison.


It's always about new revenue sources.

As a kid I remember watching Terry Bradshaw break down how putting the index finger on the tip of the ball helped with throwing a spiral, particularly in bad weather. I ran outside afterwards and tried that for an hour. I used to really enjoy Edge NFL Matchup, where plays were broken down and analyzed. I remember seeing guys like Jimmy the Greek actually talking about football...when he made his picks, you listened.

Yeah, get off my lawn and all that. But now we're getting Frank Caliendo and the insidious Rob Riggle going out to an entire generation of people, some of whom will eventually get jobs operating the TV networks. What is in store in the future?
RE: RE: Terps  
Go Terps : 1/22/2015 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12105402 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12105376 JonC said:


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whereas prior to the last, let's say ten years, it seemed like everyone understood what made the NFL tick, how the hardcore fans bonded with it, etc. Perhaps even the execs involved on the NFL and TV side also loved the NFL. Now? Sucks by comparison.



I have no desire to do it, but how much do you think FF has impacted how the NFL is viewed nowadays?


I play FF...I can't speak for anyone else but I don't think it has a huge effect. Yeah you hope your players do well but that isn't mutually exclusive from seeking, recognizing, and enjoying good football.
BB56  
JonC : 1/22/2015 2:23 pm : link
FF is one of many aspects introduced that brought too many casual and not truly engaged fans to the sport, whereas the NFL was built into the monster it is by the hardcore fans. Imo. The TV product reflects the audience and its decline.

I'm guessing  
BigBlueCane : 1/22/2015 2:30 pm : link
all the horrible off the field stories with fixed matches, FIFA, Olympic drug testing, etc...

In those other sports flew past dep's radar.
it wasn't a good year  
Osix_ : 1/22/2015 2:45 pm : link
Goodell is now considered the worst sports Commish in recent American Sports history, or atleast right there with Selig and Bettman. Even if Goodell kept his job and the ratings were great, the public perception of Goodell's incompetence is definitely a bigtime negative. You don't want the guy running your sport to be looked at as a two-faced clown.

I do think the emergence of NFL Hipsters has been annoying. The so-called "real" fans who think today's game isn't as good as it used to be because "they're too mainstream maaan". What's especially annoying about those people is how they ignore the fact that the primary reason the game is changing is because of the concussion issue. I don't want flag football either but you're an absolute dumbass if you don't think the NFL needs to protect their players more.

The only thing that really bugs me is the defensive holding/interference penalties that are clearly there to give teams more of a reason to pass than run. There's definitely a relationship with bigger passing stats and fantasy football. That part bugs me. Fuck Peyton and Polian for bitching so much and making the game easier for good QBs.
RE: I'm guessing  
dep026 : 1/22/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12105423 BigBlueCane said:
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all the horrible off the field stories with fixed matches, FIFA, Olympic drug testing, etc...

In those other sports flew past dep's radar.


Are you going to tell me that the quality of the nfl is better than any other major sport? Because right now, I don't think it's even close to any of the sports I mentioned.

Throw in the off field incidents and the nfl right now is a site for sore eyes.
It  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2015 3:29 pm : link
just seems like the NFL isn't well run at the top. But as long as the dollars keep flowing, I don't think they really care.
it was a terrible  
Les in TO : 1/22/2015 3:38 pm : link
year from a reputational standpoint for reasons mentioned. you can throw the continued concussions/CTE litigation into the mix too.

i don't know whether or not it was a good year for the NFL financially - it seemed like there were sold out stadiums and the usual attention; they didn't lose money on their TV deals or sponsorships; the US economy is picking up and gas prices are down so people have more discretionary income to throw at merchandise, etc.

on the field, there were some interesting things that happened, some exciting games/finishes, so it's hard to say the product diminished substantially.

the playoffs have been generally exciting and the super bowl is an awesome showdown with a lot of great story lines.
RE: 2014 Draft Class  
giantgiantfan : 1/22/2015 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12105081 SGMen said:
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The only thing that can keep this draft back from being an all-time great one is the lack of a top notch #1 QB. Derek Carr looked good and who is to say he can't jump up but I'm not sure about say QB Bortles and how high his ceiling truly is now.

I would say this draft will likely be one of the greatest for wideouts as I think all the first round picks will have stellar careers.


True, Bridgewater could be a solid QB. He went 14 TD, 12 INT, 64% completion, with nearly 3,000 yards in 13 games played. That's not bad for a very late 1st round rookie QB on a bad team.
RE: RE: 2014 Draft Class  
Chris in Philly : 1/22/2015 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12105929 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 12105081 SGMen said:


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The only thing that can keep this draft back from being an all-time great one is the lack of a top notch #1 QB. Derek Carr looked good and who is to say he can't jump up but I'm not sure about say QB Bortles and how high his ceiling truly is now.

I would say this draft will likely be one of the greatest for wideouts as I think all the first round picks will have stellar careers.



True, Bridgewater could be a solid QB. He went 14 TD, 12 INT, 64% completion, with nearly 3,000 yards in 13 games played. That's not bad for a very late 1st round rookie QB on a bad team.


All while missing their best offensive player to a huge controversy.
RE: The story is always off the game itself  
mrvax : 1/22/2015 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12105113 Go Terps said:
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This has been a problem for a while now, but the NFL seems to love it. None of the pregame shows or accompanying 'analysis' are geared towards actually discussing the tactics or teaching fans about the game. Enormous effort and resources are put into off-field issues in an effort to humanize players and make them more palatable to the increasingly shitty fan base.

We get no discussion of the nuts and bolts of Seattle's defense or why Aaron Rodgers's throwing mechanics make him such a great passer, but we do get a ton of JJ Watt's charitable work, Colin Kaepernick being adopted, or whatever good cause the NFL is cashing in on this month.

It seems like many people in high places in the NFL and its partner networks don't actually like the game of football itself, and it shows.


Wow, Terps. Hell of a post. Probably very accurate unfortunately. If they increase the # of teams in the playoffs, I'll be really, really pissed off.
RE: The story is always off the game itself  
Giantology : 1/22/2015 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12105113 Go Terps said:
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This has been a problem for a while now, but the NFL seems to love it. None of the pregame shows or accompanying 'analysis' are geared towards actually discussing the tactics or teaching fans about the game. Enormous effort and resources are put into off-field issues in an effort to humanize players and make them more palatable to the increasingly shitty fan base.

We get no discussion of the nuts and bolts of Seattle's defense or why Aaron Rodgers's throwing mechanics make him such a great passer, but we do get a ton of JJ Watt's charitable work, Colin Kaepernick being adopted, or whatever good cause the NFL is cashing in on this month.

It seems like many people in high places in the NFL and its partner networks don't actually like the game of football itself, and it shows.


Well yes, the NFL is no longer a mere game played by athletes. It is a product that brings in a metric fuck ton of cash, and thus, must be treated like one to increase flow of said cash...
Dep  
BigBlueCane : 1/23/2015 4:50 am : link
If the question is whether this was a Good year for the NFL, then you have to qualify how you measure 'good'. The money keeps increasing regardless of off the field issues so that's one way to look at it.

On the other hand, Goodell's mistakes as commish have hurt. As have the mistakes committed by the officials, team owners and players, so that makes it a bad year.

But comparing to other leagues and sports across the globe, it seems like the NFL to me isn't as bad as say Soccer is.
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