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Aikman equates this with Bountygate

Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:00 pm
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Aikman made an appearance on Sportsradio 1310 The Ticket on Thursday and said he believed that it is “obvious” quarterback Tom Brady was involved in deflating the footballs. He also referenced Commissioner Roger Goodell’s punishment of the Saints for running a bounty program that rewarded players for hurting opponents when explaining why he believed the Patriots needed more than the “slap on the wrist” Aikman feels they got for videotaping their opponents’ sideline in 2007.

“This whole comment by Roger Goodell based on the Saints when Sean Payton got suspended for the year, and he says ‘ignorance is no excuse,’ that’s going to come back to haunt him again,” Aikman said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That haunted him during the whole Ray Rice situation with he, himself, and now it’s going to haunt Roger Goodell in terms of what the punishment is for the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. If ignorance is no excuse, and it wasn’t for Sean Payton. …[The Saints] did not give themselves a competitive advantage. Now twice, under Bill Belichick and possibly a third time, they’ve cheated and given themselves an advantage. To me, the punishment for the Patriots and/or Bill Belichick has to be more severe than what the punishment was for the New Orleans Saints.”

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Brady/Belechik press conferences were very instructive  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/22/2015 4:38 pm : link

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Danny Kanell : 1/22/2015 4:44 pm : link
I particularly enjoy deflating Joe Buck's balls.

- Troy Aikman
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Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:54 pm : link
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...Brady said he would like to “figure out what happened” because he was “as surprised as anybody” to find out that the Patriots had played with under-inflated footballs. Brady insists that if there was anything wrong with the game balls, that wasn’t because of anything he had done.


Madden tends to doubt you Tom
Brady basically said  
Mason : 1/22/2015 4:56 pm : link
I don't know
It's a process
I have always believed in integrity.
Aikman's nuts, but I was in the car driving on Weds and I'm pretty sur  
jcn56 : 1/22/2015 4:56 pm : link
that Beningo and his partner had the same opinion. Equally crazy.

What nobody seems to understand is that Bountygate wasn't so much about cheating as it was the blatant disregard for player safety. People were getting hurt there, the penalty had to be severe in order to ensure that never happened again.

Deflategate? All that will ensure is that both teams start bringing a tire gauge to games.
I actually think they will be harshly penalized  
Matt M. : 1/22/2015 4:58 pm : link
in the form of a lost pick, a fine, and maybe a suspension for Bill. But, I don't for one second, believe any punishment will be issued prior to the SB.
When people start talking about "process" in any press conference  
Mason : 1/22/2015 5:03 pm : link
it's never a good sign.
How Is It "Obvious" Brady  
clatterbuck : 1/22/2015 5:08 pm : link
was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.
GOOD GRIEF  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/22/2015 5:17 pm : link
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We are seeing evidence now...  
bw in dc : 1/22/2015 5:21 pm : link
that concussions are taking a toll on Aikman. The Saints were trying top put the opposition in body bags. Soft footballs might be easier to grip for some QBs...

Bizarro World...

Dock them  
Glover : 1/22/2015 5:28 pm : link
a first and second round draft pick. They continue to get caught, and the "I dont know" defense as to why, what was it? 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by about 2 psi each? Just a big time F-you to the league and all fans. They need to be made an example.
Aikman is compelled...  
Ryan : 1/22/2015 5:30 pm : link
...to comment on anything related to balls.
Aikman - LOL  
ZogZerg : 1/22/2015 5:37 pm : link
He should sue the NFL for what happened to his mind
Keep in mind  
SLIM_ : 1/22/2015 5:52 pm : link
that Aikman was a pretty bad poor weather passer. In perfect conditions, he might be the best but throw cold or rain at him and he struggled. Coming to light now that it was probably because he didn't cheat like Brady.

To take SLIM's point a step further  
old man : 1/22/2015 6:55 pm : link
isn't it possible that part of the Patriots home success, and TBs ability to throw the ball, at home, in poor weather, is the result of the balls in those games being deflated by the team ball crew?
This may not be the first time, just the first time caught.
Brady  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 7:01 pm : link
Looking and sounding more and more like a liar! Most QB's are commenting that he had to know and that they sure would have known. Mark Brunelleschi offering some very compelling comments.
That's  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 7:04 pm : link
Brunell.
I'm with you pjcas..living in new England like you we here all  
Blue21 : 1/22/2015 7:22 pm : link
the BS. Something smells fishy. Let's trot out the equipment manager and the ball boys and ask some questions. Pats will never do that. Too many skeletons to be revealed.Unfortunetly this will prove motivation for Pats but I hope they get their asses handed to them at the Super Bowl.
gmenatlarge  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2015 7:31 pm : link
spending too much time at Il Duomo in Milan, lol
Matt in SGS  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2015 7:35 pm : link
good perspective in your 4:11, and same for bceagles05

Goodell's stewardship this past year has put him in a tight corner route with no chance of making the catch. Brady and BB can run for Congress anytime because they've already mastered the art of deniability, spin, and damage control.

Deflategate is at once laughable and pathetic. At least it takes the nation's mind off the fact that most of the rest of the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
RE: To take SLIM's point a step further  
bw in dc : 1/22/2015 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12105813 old man said:
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isn't it possible that part of the Patriots home success, and TBs ability to throw the ball, at home, in poor weather, is the result of the balls in those games being deflated by the team ball crew?
This may not be the first time, just the first time caught.



Uh, in the second half of the Colt game Brady, per the NFL, used regulation sized balls. And had an even stellar second half throwing and scoring...

So much for your shaky theory...
RE: gmenatlarge  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12105844 ColHowPepper said:
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spending too much time at Il Duomo in Milan, lol


I wish!
The NFL is so screwed up...  
EricJ : 1/22/2015 8:47 pm : link
1. They still have teams bringing their own balls instead of the officials bringing the balls.
2. The officials inspect the balls 2 hours before the game, then hand them back to the teams who then can basically do whatever they want to them before the game begins.
3. They allow these lax processes despite knowing full well that players like to tweak the balls (deflate, inflate, put them in a washing machine, scrape them on cement, etc)
4. The NFL creates and environment where winning is the only thing that matters.
5. The NFL then acts surprised (and appalled) when something is not quite right.
RE: How Is It  
chuckydee9 : 1/22/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:
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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.


yeh I don't know how one can be so sure about that the football is deflated between 10 and 12.5 PSI. Brady isn't a pressure gauge.. However it is surprising that a LB who has probably never isnpected a football was able to identify it was deflated in one touch of the ball and Brady who inspected 24 footballs that game and 16-24 footballs every game he has ever played wasn't able to feel the difference.

Also he held that same ball 30 times or so before the LB touched it once.. Kinda of hard to believe that a football inspector touched a ball 30 times and didn't recognize it and a complete amateur got it right in one try...

I expect kids and Pats fans to be naive.. not giants fans...
RE: How Is It  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:
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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.


Because typically balls are scuffed/broken in to the QB's liking, and if they were purposely deflated, it would also be to the QB's liking. They're not going to do anything Brady isnt comfortable with, and the only way they know what he's comfortable with is by checking with him.
Brady!Brady!Brady,  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 9:09 pm : link
GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY,
I dont see why everybody doesnt like the rule/procedure...  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
If the league is going to make teams use balls supplied by the league, chances are they'd all be new, and no QB would like that. It probably would have hurt on their performances, and adversely effect the game overall.

The league, wisely IMO, allows teams to make minor modifications (scuffing/breaking balls in) to make QBs more comfortable, but puts a limit (air pressure in this case) on the modifications to keep some uniformity.

I think its a good rule by the league, but the Pats just decided to go beyond to gain an advantage.
Belichick:  
spike : 1/22/2015 9:19 pm : link
I think Brady knew BUT I do have an alternative theory  
EricJ : 1/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
for those who think Brady had no idea.

It is known that Brady likes a deflated ball. So, the lowest acceptable PSI is 12.5psi. So, lets assume that brady always has the balls at 12.5psi. Why wouldnt he? If that is what he prefers and it is the legal lowest limit, then always keep them at 12.5 psi right?

OK, so the balls tested out at half time at 11.5psi. So, the difference here is really ONE PSI. What you need to ask yourself is whether Brady would feel a ONE psi difference.,,,because he potentially always keeps the balls at 12.5psi.

How would it be possible that the balls could be tested at 12.5 and then somehow end up at 11.5 without anyone letting air out? What if the balls were kept extremely warm somehow in the locker room. At 100 degrees or more in a sauna or something like that. While at those elevated temps, the balls were adjusted to 12.5psi. and then immediately brought to the officials for testing. They temp test at 12.5. Now, they are outside and the temp is in the 40s or 50. The declining temp results in a drop in pressure naturally and without anyone actually removing the air. Who thinks this is possible? Not probable...but possible
RE: RE: How Is It  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12105916 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:


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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.



yeh I don't know how one can be so sure about that the football is deflated between 10 and 12.5 PSI. Brady isn't a pressure gauge.. However it is surprising that a LB who has probably never isnpected a football was able to identify it was deflated in one touch of the ball and Brady who inspected 24 footballs that game and 16-24 footballs every game he has ever played wasn't able to feel the difference.

Also he held that same ball 30 times or so before the LB touched it once.. Kinda of hard to believe that a football inspector touched a ball 30 times and didn't recognize it and a complete amateur got it right in one try...

I expect kids and Pats fans to be naive.. not giants fans...


It wasnt the player from what I understand. After the INT the player gave the ball to Colts equip guys for keepsakes, and they're the ones that noticed, both in the regular season, and the AFCGC.
WTH???  
mrvax : 1/22/2015 9:24 pm : link
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Aikman feels they got for videotaping their opponents’ sideline in 2007.


Didn't the Patriots videotape opponent's practices and not the sideline during a game which doesn't seem bad at all.
RE: I think Brady knew BUT I do have an alternative theory  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:25 pm : link
In comment 12105941 EricJ said:
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for those who think Brady had no idea.

It is known that Brady likes a deflated ball. So, the lowest acceptable PSI is 12.5psi. So, lets assume that brady always has the balls at 12.5psi. Why wouldnt he? If that is what he prefers and it is the legal lowest limit, then always keep them at 12.5 psi right?

OK, so the balls tested out at half time at 11.5psi. So, the difference here is really ONE PSI. What you need to ask yourself is whether Brady would feel a ONE psi difference.,,,because he potentially always keeps the balls at 12.5psi.

How would it be possible that the balls could be tested at 12.5 and then somehow end up at 11.5 without anyone letting air out? What if the balls were kept extremely warm somehow in the locker room. At 100 degrees or more in a sauna or something like that. While at those elevated temps, the balls were adjusted to 12.5psi. and then immediately brought to the officials for testing. They temp test at 12.5. Now, they are outside and the temp is in the 40s or 50. The declining temp results in a drop in pressure naturally and without anyone actually removing the air. Who thinks this is possible? Not probable...but possible


I think they "scientificaly" astablished that the temperature alone wouldnt create that big of the difference.
RE: I say we force the Pats  
mrvax : 1/22/2015 9:27 pm : link
In comment 12105591 bceagle05 said:
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to watch Katy Perry's halftime show and call it a day.


You are one sick son-of-a-bitch.
RE: RE: RE: How Is It  
chuckydee9 : 1/22/2015 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12105942 GloryDayz said:
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In comment 12105916 chuckydee9 said:


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It wasnt the player from what I understand. After the INT the player gave the ball to Colts equip guys for keepsakes, and they're the ones that noticed, both in the regular season, and the AFCGC.


Exactly he gave it to them knowing this was most likely going on. This isn't D'Qwell's first interception.. he suspected that this has happened before... so and as soon as he got his hands on the ball he knew he should give it to someone who can verify it.. .meaning that Pats had been doing this for a while... giving even more credence to the fact that brady knew....
Nevermind  
chuckydee9 : 1/22/2015 9:46 pm : link
There is a new article on NFL stating just that... D'Qwell just wanted to keep the ball as a souvenir.... Maybe then I see the possibility that Brady didn't know...

Yesterday there was an article that Ravens had informed Colts about this.
Once again, I ask,  
Doomster : 1/22/2015 9:48 pm : link
did anyone ask Brady if he felt that the ball he was throwing, was under inflated?

Has anyone, on BBI, inflated a football to spec, gripped it, then removed 2 psi, and then gripped it again? Can you notice a 15% drop? If yes, then would an NFL QB notice it?
An NFL QB  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 9:54 pm : link
Probably throws the ball a couple of hundred time a day on average, most could feel a gnat on the ball!
if you're whole life is gripping and throwing a football  
mattlawson : 1/22/2015 10:08 pm : link
i think you'd be able to tell subtleties like this, yes.
RE: An NFL QB  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2015 7:20 am : link
In comment 12105999 gmenatlarge said:
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Probably throws the ball a couple of hundred time a day on average, most could feel a gnat on the ball!


Ding!
RE: RE: RE: RE: How Is It  
GloryDayz : 1/23/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12105974 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 12105942 GloryDayz said:


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In comment 12105916 chuckydee9 said:


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It wasnt the player from what I understand. After the INT the player gave the ball to Colts equip guys for keepsakes, and they're the ones that noticed, both in the regular season, and the AFCGC.



Exactly he gave it to them knowing this was most likely going on. This isn't D'Qwell's first interception.. he suspected that this has happened before... so and as soon as he got his hands on the ball he knew he should give it to someone who can verify it.. .meaning that Pats had been doing this for a while... giving even more credence to the fact that brady knew....


Oh absolutely... from what it looks like, the AFCCG was not an isolated incident. I have very little doubt in my mind that Brady knew. The only reason to deflate the ball if to make it more comfortable/effective for Brady. And the only way to know what he likes is by him telling them where his comfort zone is
I am not understanding Aikman's logic here  
figgy2989 : 1/23/2015 12:45 pm : link
He equates the scenario to a situation where coach's and players were paid with the intent of hurting the opposition. Maybe he is just pissed that if Brady wins, he goes down on the All-Time QB SB wins list...

or as others have mentioned, maybe the concussions are catching up to him.

My only question to Troy would be is if he would have the same outrage against the Cowboys if they had done the same thing.
So if Brady says he requests the minimum specifications of 12.5 PSI  
mamu : 1/23/2015 1:00 pm : link
as being perfect for him, and cold weather could deflate the balls further below that point, why is this even an issue?
RE: So if Brady says he requests the minimum specifications of 12.5 PSI  
idol-mind : 1/23/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12106641 mamu said:
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as being perfect for him, and cold weather could deflate the balls further below that point, why is this even an issue?


Because the temperature would have had to be about 40-50 degrees lower than it actually was in order for the ball to lose that much pressure.
Fwiw and considering it's Phil Simms,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2015 1:10 pm : link
he expects the NFL to come down on the Pats..We shall see
come down hard, that is  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2015 1:10 pm : link
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True, but  
mamu : 1/23/2015 1:25 pm : link
if cold weather can bring the pressure down below the 12.5 psi limit by just 0.1 psi, that is against the rules. Below 12.5 is below 12.5 regardless, and something as simple as weather can cause it the balls to be illegal in almost every late season game.


As far as I know, the NFL doesn't calculate how much the temperature would reduce the air pressure of the footballs and correct the 12.5 to 13.5 psi range to compensate for the loss due to cold prior to the game. Shouldn't they? Otherwise, what's the point of declaring a lower limit if the cold will just automatically bypass it?


What was the pressure of the balls when the Giants played the Packers in Lambeau January 2008? The temp was in the negatives, Eli must have been throwing an illegal ball, too. Maybe Luck likes his at 13.5 psi and the temperature didn't bring it down below 12.5. But if Brady always wants his at 12.5, his balls will always be illegal in cold weather.

Ross Tucker said on Sirius that  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2015 1:27 pm : link
weather isn't much of a factor
RE: So if Brady says he requests the minimum specifications of 12.5 PSI  
bw in dc : 1/23/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12106641 mamu said:
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as being perfect for him, and cold weather could deflate the balls further below that point, why is this even an issue?


I'd like to see the PSI data of the 11 non-compliant balls. What the pre-game PSI was vs. the PSI when confiscated. And what the average delta was...
Chris Canty chimes in  
GloryDayz : 1/23/2015 2:18 pm : link
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"The Patriots are habitual line-steppers. If the allegations are true, then you are talking about attacking the integrity of our game and I have an issue with that."


With all the attention this is getting, very unlikely the league can just give the Pats a slap on the wrist.

RE: I think Brady knew BUT I do have an alternative theory  
ArtVandelay : 1/23/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12105941 EricJ said:
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for those who think Brady had no idea.

It is known that Brady likes a deflated ball. So, the lowest acceptable PSI is 12.5psi. So, lets assume that brady always has the balls at 12.5psi. Why wouldnt he? If that is what he prefers and it is the legal lowest limit, then always keep them at 12.5 psi right?

OK, so the balls tested out at half time at 11.5psi. So, the difference here is really ONE PSI. What you need to ask yourself is whether Brady would feel a ONE psi difference.,,,because he potentially always keeps the balls at 12.5psi.

How would it be possible that the balls could be tested at 12.5 and then somehow end up at 11.5 without anyone letting air out? What if the balls were kept extremely warm somehow in the locker room. At 100 degrees or more in a sauna or something like that. While at those elevated temps, the balls were adjusted to 12.5psi. and then immediately brought to the officials for testing. They temp test at 12.5. Now, they are outside and the temp is in the 40s or 50. The declining temp results in a drop in pressure naturally and without anyone actually removing the air. Who thinks this is possible? Not probable...but possible


I posted this theory on another thread before I read that you posted it here. I think if it's possible then it's probable.
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