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Aikman equates this with Bountygate

Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:00 pm
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Aikman made an appearance on Sportsradio 1310 The Ticket on Thursday and said he believed that it is “obvious” quarterback Tom Brady was involved in deflating the footballs. He also referenced Commissioner Roger Goodell’s punishment of the Saints for running a bounty program that rewarded players for hurting opponents when explaining why he believed the Patriots needed more than the “slap on the wrist” Aikman feels they got for videotaping their opponents’ sideline in 2007.

“This whole comment by Roger Goodell based on the Saints when Sean Payton got suspended for the year, and he says ‘ignorance is no excuse,’ that’s going to come back to haunt him again,” Aikman said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That haunted him during the whole Ray Rice situation with he, himself, and now it’s going to haunt Roger Goodell in terms of what the punishment is for the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. If ignorance is no excuse, and it wasn’t for Sean Payton. …[The Saints] did not give themselves a competitive advantage. Now twice, under Bill Belichick and possibly a third time, they’ve cheated and given themselves an advantage. To me, the punishment for the Patriots and/or Bill Belichick has to be more severe than what the punishment was for the New Orleans Saints.”

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Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:00 pm : link
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His post-concussion syndrome must be acting up.  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2015 4:05 pm : link
Intentionally trying to maim players when football player safety is a national issue is much more serious than a softer football.
I thought every quarterback  
pjcas18 : 1/22/2015 4:06 pm : link
supported doing this? And everyone does it so it's ok. And it's not why the Patriots beat the Colts so it's even less of an issue.

This is more accurate Aikman-speak...  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2015 4:06 pm : link
"I'm not so sure that if there's no direct evidence against the Pats that you still don't not hand out suspensions for not knowing what was or wasn't going on with the balls not be inflated properly, which certainly didn't put the Pats at a disadvantage."
RE: This is more accurate Aikman-speak...  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:07 pm : link
hIn comment 12105567 bceagle05 said:
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"I'm not so sure that if there's no direct evidence against the Pats that you still don't not hand out suspensions for not knowing what was or wasn't going on with the balls not be inflated properly, which certainly didn't put the Pats at a disadvantage."


Lol...Oh that's classic!
Btw,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:10 pm : link
if this is too much overkill re deflation, i'll eliminate this thread..Just thought it might get lost in the other one(s)
I think Aikman  
Matt in SGS : 1/22/2015 4:11 pm : link
is the embodiment of why Bountygate was such a severe penalty. The Saints were looking to knock guys out of games, ignoring and flying in the face of the whole CTE push. Ask Aikman about the 1993 NFC Championship game or Super Bowl XXVIII. Actually, don't bother, because he was concussed by a knee to the head by Dana Stubblefield of the 49ers and he doesn't remember anything about that Super Bowl.

The Pats tried to game the system a little and got busted. As I said on a different thread, this is feels like pitchers who use pine tar in cold weather to get a better grip on the ball. The Red Sox went bonkers on Pineda, not because he used it...because he was so obvious about it. And batters like that pitchers use it since it helps them with control. You wouldn't feel too good digging in the box when the pitcher isn't sure where his 95 mph fastball is going.

There might be some gentlemen's agreements going on here, and look the other way. However, since the Pats and Belichick have kind of ignored these things over the years (see Jake Ballard), I'm sure that there are old scores to be settled here and people want to pile on.
Sean Payton  
MookGiants : 1/22/2015 4:12 pm : link
was suspended because he lied to Goddell
RE: Sean Payton  
Matt in SGS : 1/22/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12105578 MookGiants said:
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was suspended because he lied to Goddell


Mook,

Yes, that was a big factor in that he lied to Goodell, who told him to put an end to this stuff, and he didn't. The bigger issue was the whole CTE lawsuits on going and that the NFL had knowledge of coaches essentially rewarding players to knock out opponents, put a bigger legal assumption of risk on them and he had to come down hard.

No one is getting maimed here. The Pats won't admit anything, and at some point to put this to bed, Goodell with nail them with a fine and take a draft pick and they move on. They won't let this story go on much longer, they want to focus on the Pro Bowl and the game. But hey, it makes for some more network coverage during the usually dead time in the "bye week" before the Super Bowl.
Matt,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:19 pm : link
this is more interesting than the Pro Bowl
I say we force the Pats  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2015 4:20 pm : link
to watch Katy Perry's halftime show and call it a day.
Tom Brady isn't laughing anymore  
Mason : 1/22/2015 4:20 pm : link
His voice is cracking in this press conference.
Basket weaving and superior athletic skill  
Giants2012 : 1/22/2015 4:24 pm : link
is good enough to be a qualified NFL expert.

Otherwise . . . Yikes.
Brady today:  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:34 pm : link
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. “I didn’t alter the ball in any way,” Brady said. “I have a process I go through before every game where I go in and pick the balls — the footballs that I want to use for the game. Our equipment guys do a great job of breaking the balls in. They have a process that they go through. When I pick those footballs out, at that point, to me, they’re perfect. I don’t want anyone touching the balls after that, I don’t want anyone rubbing them, putting any air in, taking any air out, to me those balls are perfect and that’s what I expect when I’m on the field.”

Brady said he didn’t think there was anything wrong with the footballs used in the AFC Championship Game.

“I didn’t think anything of it until I woke up Monday morning and answered a question on the radio about it. That was the first I heard of it,” Brady said.

Brady seemed taken aback by a question about whether he’s a cheater.

“I feel like I’ve always played within the rules,” Brady said. “I would never do anything to break the rules. I believe in fair play, I respect the league and everything they’re doing to try to create a competitive playing field for all the NFL teams. It’s a very competitive league. Every team is doing the best they can to win every week. I believe in fair play and will always do that for as long as I’m playing.”

Brady said he would like to “figure out what happened” because he was “as surprised as anybody” to find out that the Patriots had played with under-inflated footballs. Brady insists that if there was anything wrong with the game balls, that wasn’t because of anything he had done.
RE: I say we force the Pats  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12105591 bceagle05 said:
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to watch Katy Perry's halftime show and call it a day.


You're a cruel man.
Jesus, the NFL should just cancel the SB this year  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/22/2015 4:34 pm : link
...and the all these sanctimonious douchebags might shut up. Equating a George Brett pine tar level of infraction with paid bounties to cause cuncussions or knee injuries, just be quiet already.
RE: Sean Payton  
Giants2012 : 1/22/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12105578 MookGiants said:
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was suspended because he lied to Goddell


Correct
RE: Tom Brady isn't laughing anymore  
Giants2012 : 1/22/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12105592 Mason said:
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His voice is cracking in this press conference.


Sounds like a lot of media has attended this press conference. Can you imagine next week? This story is going to dominate and frustrate all.
Brady/Belechik press conferences were very instructive  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/22/2015 4:38 pm : link

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Danny Kanell : 1/22/2015 4:44 pm : link
I particularly enjoy deflating Joe Buck's balls.

- Troy Aikman
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Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2015 4:54 pm : link
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...Brady said he would like to “figure out what happened” because he was “as surprised as anybody” to find out that the Patriots had played with under-inflated footballs. Brady insists that if there was anything wrong with the game balls, that wasn’t because of anything he had done.


Madden tends to doubt you Tom
Brady basically said  
Mason : 1/22/2015 4:56 pm : link
I don't know
It's a process
I have always believed in integrity.
Aikman's nuts, but I was in the car driving on Weds and I'm pretty sur  
jcn56 : 1/22/2015 4:56 pm : link
that Beningo and his partner had the same opinion. Equally crazy.

What nobody seems to understand is that Bountygate wasn't so much about cheating as it was the blatant disregard for player safety. People were getting hurt there, the penalty had to be severe in order to ensure that never happened again.

Deflategate? All that will ensure is that both teams start bringing a tire gauge to games.
I actually think they will be harshly penalized  
Matt M. : 1/22/2015 4:58 pm : link
in the form of a lost pick, a fine, and maybe a suspension for Bill. But, I don't for one second, believe any punishment will be issued prior to the SB.
When people start talking about "process" in any press conference  
Mason : 1/22/2015 5:03 pm : link
it's never a good sign.
How Is It "Obvious" Brady  
clatterbuck : 1/22/2015 5:08 pm : link
was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.
GOOD GRIEF  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/22/2015 5:17 pm : link
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We are seeing evidence now...  
bw in dc : 1/22/2015 5:21 pm : link
that concussions are taking a toll on Aikman. The Saints were trying top put the opposition in body bags. Soft footballs might be easier to grip for some QBs...

Bizarro World...

Dock them  
Glover : 1/22/2015 5:28 pm : link
a first and second round draft pick. They continue to get caught, and the "I dont know" defense as to why, what was it? 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by about 2 psi each? Just a big time F-you to the league and all fans. They need to be made an example.
Aikman is compelled...  
Ryan : 1/22/2015 5:30 pm : link
...to comment on anything related to balls.
Aikman - LOL  
ZogZerg : 1/22/2015 5:37 pm : link
He should sue the NFL for what happened to his mind
Keep in mind  
SLIM_ : 1/22/2015 5:52 pm : link
that Aikman was a pretty bad poor weather passer. In perfect conditions, he might be the best but throw cold or rain at him and he struggled. Coming to light now that it was probably because he didn't cheat like Brady.

To take SLIM's point a step further  
old man : 1/22/2015 6:55 pm : link
isn't it possible that part of the Patriots home success, and TBs ability to throw the ball, at home, in poor weather, is the result of the balls in those games being deflated by the team ball crew?
This may not be the first time, just the first time caught.
Brady  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 7:01 pm : link
Looking and sounding more and more like a liar! Most QB's are commenting that he had to know and that they sure would have known. Mark Brunelleschi offering some very compelling comments.
That's  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 7:04 pm : link
Brunell.
I'm with you pjcas..living in new England like you we here all  
Blue21 : 1/22/2015 7:22 pm : link
the BS. Something smells fishy. Let's trot out the equipment manager and the ball boys and ask some questions. Pats will never do that. Too many skeletons to be revealed.Unfortunetly this will prove motivation for Pats but I hope they get their asses handed to them at the Super Bowl.
gmenatlarge  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2015 7:31 pm : link
spending too much time at Il Duomo in Milan, lol
Matt in SGS  
ColHowPepper : 1/22/2015 7:35 pm : link
good perspective in your 4:11, and same for bceagles05

Goodell's stewardship this past year has put him in a tight corner route with no chance of making the catch. Brady and BB can run for Congress anytime because they've already mastered the art of deniability, spin, and damage control.

Deflategate is at once laughable and pathetic. At least it takes the nation's mind off the fact that most of the rest of the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
RE: To take SLIM's point a step further  
bw in dc : 1/22/2015 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12105813 old man said:
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isn't it possible that part of the Patriots home success, and TBs ability to throw the ball, at home, in poor weather, is the result of the balls in those games being deflated by the team ball crew?
This may not be the first time, just the first time caught.



Uh, in the second half of the Colt game Brady, per the NFL, used regulation sized balls. And had an even stellar second half throwing and scoring...

So much for your shaky theory...
RE: gmenatlarge  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12105844 ColHowPepper said:
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spending too much time at Il Duomo in Milan, lol


I wish!
The NFL is so screwed up...  
EricJ : 1/22/2015 8:47 pm : link
1. They still have teams bringing their own balls instead of the officials bringing the balls.
2. The officials inspect the balls 2 hours before the game, then hand them back to the teams who then can basically do whatever they want to them before the game begins.
3. They allow these lax processes despite knowing full well that players like to tweak the balls (deflate, inflate, put them in a washing machine, scrape them on cement, etc)
4. The NFL creates and environment where winning is the only thing that matters.
5. The NFL then acts surprised (and appalled) when something is not quite right.
RE: How Is It  
chuckydee9 : 1/22/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:
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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.


yeh I don't know how one can be so sure about that the football is deflated between 10 and 12.5 PSI. Brady isn't a pressure gauge.. However it is surprising that a LB who has probably never isnpected a football was able to identify it was deflated in one touch of the ball and Brady who inspected 24 footballs that game and 16-24 footballs every game he has ever played wasn't able to feel the difference.

Also he held that same ball 30 times or so before the LB touched it once.. Kinda of hard to believe that a football inspector touched a ball 30 times and didn't recognize it and a complete amateur got it right in one try...

I expect kids and Pats fans to be naive.. not giants fans...
RE: How Is It  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:
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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.


Because typically balls are scuffed/broken in to the QB's liking, and if they were purposely deflated, it would also be to the QB's liking. They're not going to do anything Brady isnt comfortable with, and the only way they know what he's comfortable with is by checking with him.
Brady!Brady!Brady,  
gmenatlarge : 1/22/2015 9:09 pm : link
GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY,
I dont see why everybody doesnt like the rule/procedure...  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
If the league is going to make teams use balls supplied by the league, chances are they'd all be new, and no QB would like that. It probably would have hurt on their performances, and adversely effect the game overall.

The league, wisely IMO, allows teams to make minor modifications (scuffing/breaking balls in) to make QBs more comfortable, but puts a limit (air pressure in this case) on the modifications to keep some uniformity.

I think its a good rule by the league, but the Pats just decided to go beyond to gain an advantage.
Belichick:  
spike : 1/22/2015 9:19 pm : link
I think Brady knew BUT I do have an alternative theory  
EricJ : 1/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
for those who think Brady had no idea.

It is known that Brady likes a deflated ball. So, the lowest acceptable PSI is 12.5psi. So, lets assume that brady always has the balls at 12.5psi. Why wouldnt he? If that is what he prefers and it is the legal lowest limit, then always keep them at 12.5 psi right?

OK, so the balls tested out at half time at 11.5psi. So, the difference here is really ONE PSI. What you need to ask yourself is whether Brady would feel a ONE psi difference.,,,because he potentially always keeps the balls at 12.5psi.

How would it be possible that the balls could be tested at 12.5 and then somehow end up at 11.5 without anyone letting air out? What if the balls were kept extremely warm somehow in the locker room. At 100 degrees or more in a sauna or something like that. While at those elevated temps, the balls were adjusted to 12.5psi. and then immediately brought to the officials for testing. They temp test at 12.5. Now, they are outside and the temp is in the 40s or 50. The declining temp results in a drop in pressure naturally and without anyone actually removing the air. Who thinks this is possible? Not probable...but possible
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GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12105916 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 12105713 clatterbuck said:


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was involved? Obvious to suspect his involvement, maybe, but that's quite different.



yeh I don't know how one can be so sure about that the football is deflated between 10 and 12.5 PSI. Brady isn't a pressure gauge.. However it is surprising that a LB who has probably never isnpected a football was able to identify it was deflated in one touch of the ball and Brady who inspected 24 footballs that game and 16-24 footballs every game he has ever played wasn't able to feel the difference.

Also he held that same ball 30 times or so before the LB touched it once.. Kinda of hard to believe that a football inspector touched a ball 30 times and didn't recognize it and a complete amateur got it right in one try...

I expect kids and Pats fans to be naive.. not giants fans...


It wasnt the player from what I understand. After the INT the player gave the ball to Colts equip guys for keepsakes, and they're the ones that noticed, both in the regular season, and the AFCGC.
WTH???  
mrvax : 1/22/2015 9:24 pm : link
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Aikman feels they got for videotaping their opponents’ sideline in 2007.


Didn't the Patriots videotape opponent's practices and not the sideline during a game which doesn't seem bad at all.
RE: I think Brady knew BUT I do have an alternative theory  
GloryDayz : 1/22/2015 9:25 pm : link
In comment 12105941 EricJ said:
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for those who think Brady had no idea.

It is known that Brady likes a deflated ball. So, the lowest acceptable PSI is 12.5psi. So, lets assume that brady always has the balls at 12.5psi. Why wouldnt he? If that is what he prefers and it is the legal lowest limit, then always keep them at 12.5 psi right?

OK, so the balls tested out at half time at 11.5psi. So, the difference here is really ONE PSI. What you need to ask yourself is whether Brady would feel a ONE psi difference.,,,because he potentially always keeps the balls at 12.5psi.

How would it be possible that the balls could be tested at 12.5 and then somehow end up at 11.5 without anyone letting air out? What if the balls were kept extremely warm somehow in the locker room. At 100 degrees or more in a sauna or something like that. While at those elevated temps, the balls were adjusted to 12.5psi. and then immediately brought to the officials for testing. They temp test at 12.5. Now, they are outside and the temp is in the 40s or 50. The declining temp results in a drop in pressure naturally and without anyone actually removing the air. Who thinks this is possible? Not probable...but possible


I think they "scientificaly" astablished that the temperature alone wouldnt create that big of the difference.
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