If I'm that ball boy I'm freaking out right about now. Holy shit. Who the hell else is left to look at. I hope that bus they are throwing me under is out of gas. Because it's about to run over me if it isnt.
that they bring with them to the game? Why would the NFL want that?
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
In theory, there's nothing wrong with it, so long as the equipment meets some minimum specs before being introduced in the game. Wilson manufactures all the game-balls - it's not like team have their own manufacturer.
Brady's answer to whether he's a cheater or not: Â
have an official ball handler from the league at every game. they have complete control over the game balls. Whenever an official on the field needs a new ball, the official ball handler supplies one. Case closed! Oh and it would provide new jobs! Win Win!
What I don't get, is if it is that much of an advantage, then other teams are going to be pushing that pressure right up against that lower limit. Knowing that, there is no way some of the balls pushed to that limit would not have come up low over the years.
Yet you have NEVER heard of one coming up even .3 PSI low. A rule is a rule, yet no word on it. As stated already here, my guess is the balls are rarely checked and the pressure is all over the place normally. Would not surprise me the guy supposed to be checking the ball really didn't, because he never really does.
Brunnell, Bettis, and Dawkins all basically called Brady a liar Â
is if it's commonly known that Brady does this and it's been swept under the rug for a while from the Patriots, to the officials, to the league, to the networks.
So have to believe the low pressure was a result of the instructions given by the QB or his agent to reduce it. No ball boy would do that on his own or let it get low either.
This is just like the George Brett pine tar game... Â
...a rule on the books that was violated that caused marginal, if any advantage. And that was widely flouted one way or the other throughout the league.
Accept now we have a bunch or non-football media guys saying that Brady should be suspended for a game? That his hall of fame legacy is forever tarnished? (one commentator said that Brady's penchant for cheating is evidenced by some intentional grounding passes he threw this year. WTF?!? Is every lineman that gets a holding call a cheater? Is Richard Sherman a cheater because he got PI call against him last week?)
It's a minor infraction and should be treated like that.
...commentators say that he should be suspended for the SB Â
Former players that are now pundits have called him out. His own coach said - ask Tom. Tom denied it.
It's not about the infraction, like everything else is about the coverups and the lying. How else are they trying to get an advantage... That kind of thing. Post-spygate you better believe it's going to be magnified.
That's pure conjecture. Plenty of former NFL players also said that they couldn't tell any difference in a ball at normal vs. 10.5 PSI. Mark Brunnel? Give me a break. Couple that with it being a raw, wet, cold windy night, and I think it's believable.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
Will have lots of shots of the balls going in and out of play. The NFL will be able to identify everyone who touched them. They can be interviewed individually.
That's pure conjecture. Plenty of former NFL players also said that they couldn't tell any difference in a ball at normal vs. 10.5 PSI. Mark Brunnel? Give me a break. Couple that with it being a raw, wet, cold windy night, and I think it's believable.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
The strategy the Pats are going to employ is deny to the end Â
Unless the NFL has tape that actually shows someone doing it, they can't single out one person. The balls are inspected 2 hours prior to the game, I am sure they are kept indoors just prior to the game which means no tape of someone actually doing it
Because each team is allowed to work with them during the week to get used to them. Before use, the balls are slick (harder to grip and catch) and need to be broken in and scuffed up a bit. The teams have the chance to break them in and get used to them before the game.
Because each team is allowed to work with them during the week to get used to them. Before use, the balls are slick (harder to grip and catch) and need to be broken in and scuffed up a bit. The teams have the chance to break them in and get used to them before the game.
And they get inspected by the refs to make sure the scuffing falls within the rules
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
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"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
RE: Somebody, please tell me how a deflated ball gives one team an Â
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
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"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
lol, what?..D'Qwell, "you know the guy who had his hand on the ball" was the one who first reported it during the game right after he intercepted it because....wait for it..."It felt under-inflated"
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Jackson told a Colts equipment manager the ball felt under-inflated and gave it to him. The equipment man told Colts coach Chuck Pagano on the sideline. That message was relayed to Colts general manager Ryan Grigson in the press box, who told NFL director of football operations Mike Kensil, Newsday and WCVB said
So that leaves you with Toomer, which no matter how you add it up does not equal "Plenty of players" as you stated. I keep reading people making claims of "Everyone does it", "Plenty of players say they could not tell". When in fact that is not the case at all.
Jackson's new take that came out also is not exactly what you wrote Â
...because it was a complete fabrication by the Colts. He kept the ball as a memento. He never mentioned that it was underinflated because, he had no idea at all. The Colts leaked that to a reporter as the reason, but it was completely made up.
...because it was a complete fabrication by the Colts. He kept the ball as a memento. He never mentioned that it was underinflated because, he had no idea at all. The Colts leaked that to a reporter as the reason, but it was completely made up.
would be licking his chops for a pay off. Even if he's outed, who cares? Unless you want to be a career ball boy i'm not sure why he'd worry about anything.
for the ball boy and an entrance into nefarious activity. Eric Mangini got his start as a ball boy in Celveland and he later narced on his mentor and started the whole spy gate scandal.
I already have zero belief that professional sports is honestly and honourably policed by the men and women who are trying to find any way to squeeze more money out of the sport. NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL - no difference except perhaps the NFL has proven greedier.
Rule changes annually, changes to how the rules are interpreted behind closed doors, and minimal (at best) effort to ensure the integrity of the game. How can any fan really lose their shit over any situation that provides a momentary window into this world?
they knew they were underinflated. Baltimore tipped them off. The interception played right into the Colts hands to throw cold water on the patriots.
Tom Brady throws a football for a living, a defensive back does not. Tom Brady has said he prefers his footballs a certain way. 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were beneath the proper measurement. that is not a fluke.
perhaps theyve been doing it forever, Tom never had to give special instructions becuase his equipment folks lined up 5-10 balls all inflated at different levels in the past and Tom taste tested each and said which ball he prefers. Did he know exactly what the PSI was? No, plausible deniability.
SOMEONE in the patriots org knew about it though, they knew it was pushing the boundary. Obviously Baltimore knew about it, and the Colts capitalized during the game. Cheap shot for cheap shot.
Did Tom and Bill know exactly what was going on? Maybe not. But he damn sure knew he had his football prepped a certain way and he signed off on that exact spec.
Are you a cheater Tom? " I don't believe so"
What you believe is irrelevant Tom - what happened was you got caught with footballs outside the accepted range of inflation for competitive advantage.
The reporters don't care about a measly low ball boy Â
They are out to hang the highest persons they can get. If they find out it was ONLY the ball boy that had anything to do with it then you will see how fast they lose interest in the story.
This is just a witch hunt to attack someone high up. If you think these reporters really care about the game or the ball or the integrity of the sport you would be wrong.
Hey guys nobody cheated. We had the 12.5lbs in all the balls. The lid on the Gaterade ice chest kept coming off and someone, I didn't see who or when it was done, but someone put the bag the balls were in on top of the Gaterade cooler to keep the lid on. My best guess would be that ice cold cooler must have cooled the balls even more than the already cold outside temperature and that deflated the balls some. I'll make a point to tell everyone not to put the ball bag near any ice chests in the future. NEXT?
The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theory.
The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human. Link - ( New Window )
That is cheating! Someone start a full scale investigation immediately. Scuffed balls are cheating!
Scuffing is allowed by all teams within the rules and approved prior to the game by the refs..They are not accused of "Over Scuffing", they are accused of Under-inflating balls that were within the guidelines when the refs inspected them. Holy shit, your like 5 days behind the details about this. Do you even know what the basic facts are regarding this?
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
In theory, there's nothing wrong with it, so long as the equipment meets some minimum specs before being introduced in the game. Wilson manufactures all the game-balls - it's not like team have their own manufacturer.
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in other news - just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.
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2. Where is the owner in all this? These are his emmployees...no where to be found.
3. And most damning. If you were Brady or Bellichick, wouldn't you have said, "I'd like to know who did it."
But they didn't..........
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Matt.....right??? The answer should have "definitely not".
Yet you have NEVER heard of one coming up even .3 PSI low. A rule is a rule, yet no word on it. As stated already here, my guess is the balls are rarely checked and the pressure is all over the place normally. Would not surprise me the guy supposed to be checking the ball really didn't, because he never really does.
No pun intended.
Accept now we have a bunch or non-football media guys saying that Brady should be suspended for a game? That his hall of fame legacy is forever tarnished? (one commentator said that Brady's penchant for cheating is evidenced by some intentional grounding passes he threw this year. WTF?!? Is every lineman that gets a holding call a cheater? Is Richard Sherman a cheater because he got PI call against him last week?)
It's a minor infraction and should be treated like that.
It's not about the infraction, like everything else is about the coverups and the lying. How else are they trying to get an advantage... That kind of thing. Post-spygate you better believe it's going to be magnified.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
The answer can be obtained, if they want to know.
Thats a big if.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
And they get inspected by the refs to make sure the scuffing falls within the rules
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
Maybe you should have read one of the 9 million articles written on this subject in the last 5 days.
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What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
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"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
lol, what?..D'Qwell, "you know the guy who had his hand on the ball" was the one who first reported it during the game right after he intercepted it because....wait for it..."It felt under-inflated"
So that leaves you with Toomer, which no matter how you add it up does not equal "Plenty of players" as you stated. I keep reading people making claims of "Everyone does it", "Plenty of players say they could not tell". When in fact that is not the case at all.
That is different from i can't tell when a ball is underinflated
And you know this how?
Stop being obtuse. Jackson completely denied the version in the reporter's story. You think the reporter made that story up out of whole cloth?
Rule changes annually, changes to how the rules are interpreted behind closed doors, and minimal (at best) effort to ensure the integrity of the game. How can any fan really lose their shit over any situation that provides a momentary window into this world?
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And you know this how?
Stop being obtuse. Jackson completely denied the version in the reporter's story. You think the reporter made that story up out of whole cloth?
No, being obtuse would be making the claim "plenty of players" and then coming up with only two of them, and one has changed his story.
Tom Brady throws a football for a living, a defensive back does not. Tom Brady has said he prefers his footballs a certain way. 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were beneath the proper measurement. that is not a fluke.
perhaps theyve been doing it forever, Tom never had to give special instructions becuase his equipment folks lined up 5-10 balls all inflated at different levels in the past and Tom taste tested each and said which ball he prefers. Did he know exactly what the PSI was? No, plausible deniability.
SOMEONE in the patriots org knew about it though, they knew it was pushing the boundary. Obviously Baltimore knew about it, and the Colts capitalized during the game. Cheap shot for cheap shot.
Did Tom and Bill know exactly what was going on? Maybe not. But he damn sure knew he had his football prepped a certain way and he signed off on that exact spec.
Are you a cheater Tom? " I don't believe so"
What you believe is irrelevant Tom - what happened was you got caught with footballs outside the accepted range of inflation for competitive advantage.
This is just a witch hunt to attack someone high up. If you think these reporters really care about the game or the ball or the integrity of the sport you would be wrong.
The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theory.
The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.
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so it looks like they only deflated the balls for the AFC Championship game then [/sarcasm]
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so it looks like they only deflated the balls for the AFC Championship game then [/sarcasm]
All those stats are pretty telling.
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
What about in the Ravens game?
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
Except the tempest here is not centered around how the manipulation affected the outcome of that one particular game.
Scuffing is allowed by all teams within the rules and approved prior to the game by the refs..They are not accused of "Over Scuffing", they are accused of Under-inflating balls that were within the guidelines when the refs inspected them. Holy shit, your like 5 days behind the details about this. Do you even know what the basic facts are regarding this?