If I'm that ball boy I'm freaking out right about now. Holy shit. Who the hell else is left to look at. I hope that bus they are throwing me under is out of gas. Because it's about to run over me if it isnt.
but whoever that ballboy is, there's no question he's getting fired. The only question is whether the Pats will buy him a brand new Range Rover as a parting gift.
I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a ballboy would unilaterally deflate 11 of the Pats game balls without Brady telling him to.
RE: Somebody, please tell me how a deflated ball gives one team an
because the Patriots are cheaters of a systemic nature in that they are all in on it like a bunch of rats. Now you see the rat's that have the most to lose running away for the others to get blamed. What is weird is that this has probably been going on for a long time and the perfect wave just hit.
blueblood...I have been screamin this for three days.
get hold of the ball boy or equipment manager. They freakin know what happened. Brady and BB with the I don't know bullshit...what do you expect.Trot the low level guys out in front of the cameras and see what happens.Question them. Patriots will cover them because they know the dirt on the franchise.
The real issue that should be under the microscope is the incompetent, if not downright crooked, NFL officiating.
Yup! Now your talkin! I have no love at all for NE, Belicek or Brady, and they do sound like they're lying, but the amount of selective enforcement that goes on in this league is a joke. Week after week, game after game the refs screw up over and over and nothing is done about it. The Dallas offensive line HOLDS ON EVERY FUCKING PLAY, yet they let that go! They call a million illegal contact calls in the pre-season and then voila they all but vanish. I wouldn't doubt that that douchebag Walt Coleman never even checked the NE game balls before the game. It wouldn't surprise me.
They way Goodell has handled issues the last few years gives me little hope or confidence that him or his people should be trusted to measure PSI correctly.
You can grip the ball better in cold or wet weather. Really helps QB with smaller hands. Also the ball doesn't sail as much in the wind. Can't throw it as far or kick it as long. The inflated ball was probably the kicking ball. Slightly easier to catch as well.
I expect they initially had balls filled to minimum and they lost air.
All of the above are slight, but real, advantages.
that they bring with them to the game? Why would the NFL want that?
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
but whoever that ballboy is, there's no question he's getting fired. The only question is whether the Pats will buy him a brand new Range Rover as a parting gift.
I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a ballboy would unilaterally deflate 11 of the Pats game balls without Brady telling him to.
If he does on his own, and Brady goes in, throws just 1 bad pass because the ball boy deinflated the balls, in the AFCCG, he's out of a job, and out of the NFL, if not out of the entire organized football world.
Never going to happen without "someone else" giving him the green light.
that they bring with them to the game? Why would the NFL want that?
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
In theory, there's nothing wrong with it, so long as the equipment meets some minimum specs before being introduced in the game. Wilson manufactures all the game-balls - it's not like team have their own manufacturer.
have an official ball handler from the league at every game. they have complete control over the game balls. Whenever an official on the field needs a new ball, the official ball handler supplies one. Case closed! Oh and it would provide new jobs! Win Win!
What I don't get, is if it is that much of an advantage, then other teams are going to be pushing that pressure right up against that lower limit. Knowing that, there is no way some of the balls pushed to that limit would not have come up low over the years.
Yet you have NEVER heard of one coming up even .3 PSI low. A rule is a rule, yet no word on it. As stated already here, my guess is the balls are rarely checked and the pressure is all over the place normally. Would not surprise me the guy supposed to be checking the ball really didn't, because he never really does.
Brunnell, Bettis, and Dawkins all basically called Brady a liar
is if it's commonly known that Brady does this and it's been swept under the rug for a while from the Patriots, to the officials, to the league, to the networks.
So have to believe the low pressure was a result of the instructions given by the QB or his agent to reduce it. No ball boy would do that on his own or let it get low either.
This is just like the George Brett pine tar game...
...a rule on the books that was violated that caused marginal, if any advantage. And that was widely flouted one way or the other throughout the league.
Accept now we have a bunch or non-football media guys saying that Brady should be suspended for a game? That his hall of fame legacy is forever tarnished? (one commentator said that Brady's penchant for cheating is evidenced by some intentional grounding passes he threw this year. WTF?!? Is every lineman that gets a holding call a cheater? Is Richard Sherman a cheater because he got PI call against him last week?)
It's a minor infraction and should be treated like that.
...commentators say that he should be suspended for the SB
Former players that are now pundits have called him out. His own coach said - ask Tom. Tom denied it.
It's not about the infraction, like everything else is about the coverups and the lying. How else are they trying to get an advantage... That kind of thing. Post-spygate you better believe it's going to be magnified.
That's pure conjecture. Plenty of former NFL players also said that they couldn't tell any difference in a ball at normal vs. 10.5 PSI. Mark Brunnel? Give me a break. Couple that with it being a raw, wet, cold windy night, and I think it's believable.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
Will have lots of shots of the balls going in and out of play. The NFL will be able to identify everyone who touched them. They can be interviewed individually.
That's pure conjecture. Plenty of former NFL players also said that they couldn't tell any difference in a ball at normal vs. 10.5 PSI. Mark Brunnel? Give me a break. Couple that with it being a raw, wet, cold windy night, and I think it's believable.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
The strategy the Pats are going to employ is deny to the end
Unless the NFL has tape that actually shows someone doing it, they can't single out one person. The balls are inspected 2 hours prior to the game, I am sure they are kept indoors just prior to the game which means no tape of someone actually doing it
Because each team is allowed to work with them during the week to get used to them. Before use, the balls are slick (harder to grip and catch) and need to be broken in and scuffed up a bit. The teams have the chance to break them in and get used to them before the game.
Because each team is allowed to work with them during the week to get used to them. Before use, the balls are slick (harder to grip and catch) and need to be broken in and scuffed up a bit. The teams have the chance to break them in and get used to them before the game.
And they get inspected by the refs to make sure the scuffing falls within the rules
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
Quote:
"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
Uh, each team uses their own balls!
that's how.
Much ado about nothing.
Much ado about nothing.
How is either of those remotely related? Players can wear helmets too.
But the league has a rule about the PSI level the ball MUST have. One team broke that rule.
I think there's a little ado that should be made about it.
Not nothing.
Erroneous!
I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a ballboy would unilaterally deflate 11 of the Pats game balls without Brady telling him to.
Many, many people have said it helps you grip the ball better, esp. when it's cold.
Beyond that, there's not much the press can do. The equipment guys are probably told not to talk to reporters on a normal day.
Yup! Now your talkin! I have no love at all for NE, Belicek or Brady, and they do sound like they're lying, but the amount of selective enforcement that goes on in this league is a joke. Week after week, game after game the refs screw up over and over and nothing is done about it. The Dallas offensive line HOLDS ON EVERY FUCKING PLAY, yet they let that go! They call a million illegal contact calls in the pre-season and then voila they all but vanish. I wouldn't doubt that that douchebag Walt Coleman never even checked the NE game balls before the game. It wouldn't surprise me.
They have less credibility than the Patriots...
I expect they initially had balls filled to minimum and they lost air.
All of the above are slight, but real, advantages.
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a ballboy would unilaterally deflate 11 of the Pats game balls without Brady telling him to.
If he does on his own, and Brady goes in, throws just 1 bad pass because the ball boy deinflated the balls, in the AFCCG, he's out of a job, and out of the NFL, if not out of the entire organized football world.
Never going to happen without "someone else" giving him the green light.
Does a major league pitcher use only the baseballs his team brings to the game?
Do tennis players serve only with their own tennis balls?
Do casinos let you bring your own dice to the craps table? That's crazy.
In theory, there's nothing wrong with it, so long as the equipment meets some minimum specs before being introduced in the game. Wilson manufactures all the game-balls - it's not like team have their own manufacturer.
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in other news - just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.
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2. Where is the owner in all this? These are his emmployees...no where to be found.
3. And most damning. If you were Brady or Bellichick, wouldn't you have said, "I'd like to know who did it."
But they didn't..........
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Matt.....right??? The answer should have "definitely not".
Yet you have NEVER heard of one coming up even .3 PSI low. A rule is a rule, yet no word on it. As stated already here, my guess is the balls are rarely checked and the pressure is all over the place normally. Would not surprise me the guy supposed to be checking the ball really didn't, because he never really does.
No pun intended.
Accept now we have a bunch or non-football media guys saying that Brady should be suspended for a game? That his hall of fame legacy is forever tarnished? (one commentator said that Brady's penchant for cheating is evidenced by some intentional grounding passes he threw this year. WTF?!? Is every lineman that gets a holding call a cheater? Is Richard Sherman a cheater because he got PI call against him last week?)
It's a minor infraction and should be treated like that.
It's not about the infraction, like everything else is about the coverups and the lying. How else are they trying to get an advantage... That kind of thing. Post-spygate you better believe it's going to be magnified.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
The answer can be obtained, if they want to know.
Thats a big if.
I think it's entirely plausible that whomever prepped the balls for Brady took out too much air and when the Patriots gave the balls to the officials they never checked the PSI like they should have. In other words, this isn't a situation where the Pats got balls in compliance from the officials 10 minutes before the game and then suck out 2 PSI from each. That seems highly implausible to me.
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
And they get inspected by the refs to make sure the scuffing falls within the rules
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.