If I'm that ball boy I'm freaking out right about now. Holy shit. Who the hell else is left to look at. I hope that bus they are throwing me under is out of gas. Because it's about to run over me if it isnt.
What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
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"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
lol, what?..D'Qwell, "you know the guy who had his hand on the ball" was the one who first reported it during the game right after he intercepted it because....wait for it..."It felt under-inflated"
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Jackson told a Colts equipment manager the ball felt under-inflated and gave it to him. The equipment man told Colts coach Chuck Pagano on the sideline. That message was relayed to Colts general manager Ryan Grigson in the press box, who told NFL director of football operations Mike Kensil, Newsday and WCVB said
So that leaves you with Toomer, which no matter how you add it up does not equal "Plenty of players" as you stated. I keep reading people making claims of "Everyone does it", "Plenty of players say they could not tell". When in fact that is not the case at all.
Jackson's new take that came out also is not exactly what you wrote Â
...because it was a complete fabrication by the Colts. He kept the ball as a memento. He never mentioned that it was underinflated because, he had no idea at all. The Colts leaked that to a reporter as the reason, but it was completely made up.
...because it was a complete fabrication by the Colts. He kept the ball as a memento. He never mentioned that it was underinflated because, he had no idea at all. The Colts leaked that to a reporter as the reason, but it was completely made up.
would be licking his chops for a pay off. Even if he's outed, who cares? Unless you want to be a career ball boy i'm not sure why he'd worry about anything.
for the ball boy and an entrance into nefarious activity. Eric Mangini got his start as a ball boy in Celveland and he later narced on his mentor and started the whole spy gate scandal.
I already have zero belief that professional sports is honestly and honourably policed by the men and women who are trying to find any way to squeeze more money out of the sport. NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL - no difference except perhaps the NFL has proven greedier.
Rule changes annually, changes to how the rules are interpreted behind closed doors, and minimal (at best) effort to ensure the integrity of the game. How can any fan really lose their shit over any situation that provides a momentary window into this world?
they knew they were underinflated. Baltimore tipped them off. The interception played right into the Colts hands to throw cold water on the patriots.
Tom Brady throws a football for a living, a defensive back does not. Tom Brady has said he prefers his footballs a certain way. 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were beneath the proper measurement. that is not a fluke.
perhaps theyve been doing it forever, Tom never had to give special instructions becuase his equipment folks lined up 5-10 balls all inflated at different levels in the past and Tom taste tested each and said which ball he prefers. Did he know exactly what the PSI was? No, plausible deniability.
SOMEONE in the patriots org knew about it though, they knew it was pushing the boundary. Obviously Baltimore knew about it, and the Colts capitalized during the game. Cheap shot for cheap shot.
Did Tom and Bill know exactly what was going on? Maybe not. But he damn sure knew he had his football prepped a certain way and he signed off on that exact spec.
Are you a cheater Tom? " I don't believe so"
What you believe is irrelevant Tom - what happened was you got caught with footballs outside the accepted range of inflation for competitive advantage.
The reporters don't care about a measly low ball boy Â
They are out to hang the highest persons they can get. If they find out it was ONLY the ball boy that had anything to do with it then you will see how fast they lose interest in the story.
This is just a witch hunt to attack someone high up. If you think these reporters really care about the game or the ball or the integrity of the sport you would be wrong.
Hey guys nobody cheated. We had the 12.5lbs in all the balls. The lid on the Gaterade ice chest kept coming off and someone, I didn't see who or when it was done, but someone put the bag the balls were in on top of the Gaterade cooler to keep the lid on. My best guess would be that ice cold cooler must have cooled the balls even more than the already cold outside temperature and that deflated the balls some. I'll make a point to tell everyone not to put the ball bag near any ice chests in the future. NEXT?
The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theory.
The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human. Link - ( New Window )
That is cheating! Someone start a full scale investigation immediately. Scuffed balls are cheating!
Scuffing is allowed by all teams within the rules and approved prior to the game by the refs..They are not accused of "Over Scuffing", they are accused of Under-inflating balls that were within the guidelines when the refs inspected them. Holy shit, your like 5 days behind the details about this. Do you even know what the basic facts are regarding this?
Maybe you should have read one of the 9 million articles written on this subject in the last 5 days.
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What other players said this after feeling a regular ball and an under-inflated one while on TV? If they did not do that, how can they claim there is not difference? If you watch that video you can plain as day see the difference 2 lbs makes just when he grips it
D'Qwell Jackson for one. You know, the guy that actually had his hands on the ball at the time? Here's his quote:
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"I wouldn't know how that could even be an advantage or a disadvantage," Jackson said. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another."
Also Amani Toomer said he couldn't tell any difference.
Brunnel and Bettis reminded my of OJ putting on the bloody glove. Total theater, IMO.
lol, what?..D'Qwell, "you know the guy who had his hand on the ball" was the one who first reported it during the game right after he intercepted it because....wait for it..."It felt under-inflated"
So that leaves you with Toomer, which no matter how you add it up does not equal "Plenty of players" as you stated. I keep reading people making claims of "Everyone does it", "Plenty of players say they could not tell". When in fact that is not the case at all.
That is different from i can't tell when a ball is underinflated
And you know this how?
Stop being obtuse. Jackson completely denied the version in the reporter's story. You think the reporter made that story up out of whole cloth?
Rule changes annually, changes to how the rules are interpreted behind closed doors, and minimal (at best) effort to ensure the integrity of the game. How can any fan really lose their shit over any situation that provides a momentary window into this world?
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And you know this how?
Stop being obtuse. Jackson completely denied the version in the reporter's story. You think the reporter made that story up out of whole cloth?
No, being obtuse would be making the claim "plenty of players" and then coming up with only two of them, and one has changed his story.
Tom Brady throws a football for a living, a defensive back does not. Tom Brady has said he prefers his footballs a certain way. 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were beneath the proper measurement. that is not a fluke.
perhaps theyve been doing it forever, Tom never had to give special instructions becuase his equipment folks lined up 5-10 balls all inflated at different levels in the past and Tom taste tested each and said which ball he prefers. Did he know exactly what the PSI was? No, plausible deniability.
SOMEONE in the patriots org knew about it though, they knew it was pushing the boundary. Obviously Baltimore knew about it, and the Colts capitalized during the game. Cheap shot for cheap shot.
Did Tom and Bill know exactly what was going on? Maybe not. But he damn sure knew he had his football prepped a certain way and he signed off on that exact spec.
Are you a cheater Tom? " I don't believe so"
What you believe is irrelevant Tom - what happened was you got caught with footballs outside the accepted range of inflation for competitive advantage.
This is just a witch hunt to attack someone high up. If you think these reporters really care about the game or the ball or the integrity of the sport you would be wrong.
The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.
All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theory.
The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.
Link - ( New Window )
Link - ( New Window )
so it looks like they only deflated the balls for the AFC Championship game then [/sarcasm]
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so it looks like they only deflated the balls for the AFC Championship game then [/sarcasm]
All those stats are pretty telling.
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
What about in the Ravens game?
That's when NE scored 35 points.
Lot ado about nothing.
Except the tempest here is not centered around how the manipulation affected the outcome of that one particular game.
Scuffing is allowed by all teams within the rules and approved prior to the game by the refs..They are not accused of "Over Scuffing", they are accused of Under-inflating balls that were within the guidelines when the refs inspected them. Holy shit, your like 5 days behind the details about this. Do you even know what the basic facts are regarding this?