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| ..."Shelton says that last year the NFL Draft Advisory Board told him he'd be anywhere from a fourth-round pick to undrafted. Things change in a year. Now Shelton seems to be a lock first-round pick and people are buzzing about his potential at the Senior Bowl...." |
So again, what happened, iyo, to change a guy from posdible 4th round to undrafted status in just one year?
Proofread, Bruce, proofread.
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Shelton had major maturity issues early in his career. He turned a corner last couple seasons, and I've heard he evolved in to one of the most coachable guys on the Washington roster and look what happened.
He has always had a nose for action, really quick read and react. But now that he cleaned up his pad level and hand work, he showed flashes of being unblockable. I think he is legit.
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you've covered Shelton, but my question is, Was it mechanics, attitude, growth, etc., that caused him to take(according to the quote) such leaps and bounds in one season?
Shelton had major maturity issues early in his career. He turned a corner last couple seasons, and I've heard he evolved in to one of the most coachable guys on the Washington roster and look what happened.
He has always had a nose for action, really quick read and react. But now that he cleaned up his pad level and hand work, he showed flashes of being unblockable. I think he is legit.
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One of the most impressive players on the field has been Washington defensive tackle Danny Shelton, and sources say that Shelton has also been impressive off the field in the team interviews. Shelton's family has been through some tragic things, but has come out of it with a great outlook and is getting high-character marks. Teams have also asked him about if he feels he's only a two-down player and his response is he's a six- or seven-down player. He doesn't need to go to the sideline to regain his wind, as he conditioned himself to play against up tempo offenses in college so he feels and plans to be ready to stay on the field with good snaps for all four quarters. Shelton has aced the Senior Bowl.
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Seems to me, what the shorter DL sacrifice in height they could gain in leverage. Yes/No?
If, as you say he reminds you a lot of Ngata, sign me up
But...Hankins is listed a 6'2" 320lbs, according to EPSN. I would agree that 6'4" sounds even better though, very imposing :)
Cullen Jenkins is also 6'2"
Tend to agree. I'd have no problem with the pick, but he doesn't fit the size parameters the Giants typically look for in that position. Neither does Perryman at LB. Carl Davis seems more of what they're looking for in terms of size at DT.
OL should be the pick
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but it would be a breakaway from paradigm and habit for NYG, especially that high in the draft. The defense could certainly use a disruptive talent at DT, but it would be a trendbreaker pick for this regime.
Tend to agree. I'd have no problem with the pick, but he doesn't fit the size parameters the Giants typically look for in that position. Neither does Perryman at LB. Carl Davis seems more of what they're looking for in terms of size at DT.
Carl Davis is an impressive size/height specimen
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yes it does, and I would agree. Davis is typically the type of DT the Giants look for.
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and Jenkins was a bargain UFA signing. In premium draft rounds, they tend to look more closely at details such as size. Carl Davis, and where he projects to be drafted, is much more of an NYG DT pick, in contrast. Does that make more sense?
yes it does, and I would agree. Davis is typically the type of DT the Giants look for.
I'd be wary. His build reminds of Joseph. And I don't mean Linval.
DL and Recieving.
So, last year we got Becks, who will help Randle (and any other Giant offensive player who can catch a ball in a game) to be that much better, next season, by drawing attention to himself. That will be fun; we need some role players, maybe a late round pass catching RB and or a mid round slot /slant player.
People forget that this effect can also happen on DL, the sort of multiplying effect, one wants to get the opposing line into a chaos and uncertainty mode and a DL is how you do that. Anyone garnering a double team..OR the attention of an extra pass protector such as a RB,...OR even the eyes an feet of the QB...that makes the rest of the DL much better, more effective and opens up the DL Playbook.
If the 2 DTs widely considered first round quality really are first round quality...then I am all for either, don't forget, at 9, the other one could drop as well.
He's the same height as Hankins and 20 lbs bigger.
He's also taller than Mike Paterson and the same heigh as Cullen Jenkins but much heavier than both.
So I don't know about that.
DL and Recieving.
So, last year we got Becks, who will help Randle (and any other Giant offensive player who can catch a ball in a game) to be that much better, next season, by drawing attention to himself. That will be fun; we need some role players, maybe a late round pass catching RB and or a mid round slot /slant player.
People forget that this effect can also happen on DL, the sort of multiplying effect, one wants to get the opposing line into a chaos and uncertainty mode and a DL is how you do that. Anyone garnering a double team..OR the attention of an extra pass protector such as a RB,...OR even the eyes an feet of the QB...that makes the rest of the DL much better, more effective and opens up the DL Playbook.
If the 2 DTs widely considered first round quality really are first round quality...then I am all for either, don't forget, at 9, the other one could drop as well.
Completely agree, though I'd prefer a DE over a DT if there's one worthy of being picked that high because they typically disrupt the passing game much more. But there's a lot of value in stopping the run and forcing more 3rd and longs vs teams constantly facing 3rd and <5. Consistently get teams in a 3rd and 8+ and that's when you see huge sack #s from your ends.
Davis looks to be very fast and strong but there are reports about him being somewhat of a head case. Dont know if that's true?
Undersized as a 4-3 DE and looked out of his element in pass coverage. Fits best as a rush LB in the 3-4. Nate Orchard would be a better option.
One player who has had a mixed Senior Bowl is Iowa defensive tackle Carl Davis. He has displayed a nice skill set with strength, size, and a burst. However, Davis has flunked the team interviews. He has said he didn't work hard in practice at Iowa because he was going against young scout team linemen and he didn't want to risk injury against some overzealous underclassmen. He told teams that he should only play about half the snaps in a game in order to be effective. Teams felt he came across as very arrogant and lazy.
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Unfortunately, teams can't count you as half a player on the 53.
We can't be pushed around by the Cowboys offensive line, like we were this season.
that body shape does not look viable to me regardless of the energy. Can a guy like that get into shape, stay in shape and still perform?
I know it was an era or two or three ago, and NFL prototype has changed drastically, but Giants once had a pretty "small" NT/DT named John Mendenhall; Shelton is probably four inches taller.
Shelton vs. Peat vs. Davis vs. the other OT--interesting decision; may hinge on who they see being available in the 2nd. I'm all for getting tougher, meaner, and more powerful on the lines, either or both
Giants have to define that IF and see whether or not he fits their definition of a DT.
No link but read it a couple days ago on one of the senior bowl scouting sites.
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of Shelton's is Hau'oli Kikaha. If we go OL in the first, would Hau'oli Kikaha be a pass rusher that the Giants could consider on Day 2?
Undersized as a 4-3 DE and looked out of his element in pass coverage. Fits best as a rush LB in the 3-4. Nate Orchard would be a better option.
Well, he is light in the pants, but so is DaMontre that everyone is clamoring for. The results are that Kikaha knows how to rush the passer. He has only been recently moved to LB where before he played DE. As a Day 2 pick, he might be worth taking a look.
He also had shoulder surgery this time last year. Considering his position that worries the hell out of me. I'm very curious to see how the weight and medical, not to mention how he handles drills (if he participates) at the combine.
To me when I see Shelton, I don't see Wilfork and I definitely don't see Ngata. I see BJ Raji, who also was the 9th overall pick back in 2009. Raji has been a good player but certainly not the 9th best player from that draft. Players of his type you can get later on. End of the first? Maybe. 9th overall? No thanks.
Stephen Paea is a UFA. He'd be a nice replacement for Patterson.
and, so you look at hawaii, they have a sleeper prospect at Guard entering the draft.
low rated, which is a good thing, value wise.
lemme go grab a name, hang on
if he rises that would be very unlikely.
It is the reason why the D-lines were so good in the Super Bowl years because we had pressure up the middle as well as on the outsides. Drafting an elite player on the DL is the first step to fixing this defense, and I would not hate if Shelton was the pick.
More likely they have a DT in mind in the 2/3 rounds.
He also had shoulder surgery this time last year. Considering his position that worries the hell out of me. I'm very curious to see how the weight and medical, not to mention how he handles drills (if he participates) at the combine.
To me when I see Shelton, I don't see Wilfork and I definitely don't see Ngata. I see BJ Raji, who also was the 9th overall pick back in 2009. Raji has been a good player but certainly not the 9th best player from that draft. Players of his type you can get later on. End of the first? Maybe. 9th overall? No thanks.
Good post. I think Shelton said he's losing weight, which hasn't so far impeded his quickness. As far as his sacks vs. opponents, he's been a pain for teams in the PAC, and has been ragdolling people at the SB. Hankins also only had one sack his senior season, and the Giants still had a first round grade on him. I'm fine if they take him, and fine if they don't.
Like Carl Davis too For round 2 or later.
Like Carl Davis too For round 2 or later.
Carl Davis looked good in practice but the reports on interviews are major red flags. I do not like that he said that he prefers to only play 50% of the snaps
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I know it was an era or two or three ago, and NFL prototype has changed drastically, but Giants once had a pretty "small" NT/DT named John Mendenhall; Shelton is probably four inches taller.
Shelton vs. Peat vs. Davis vs. the other OT--interesting decision; may hinge on who they see being available in the 2nd. I'm all for getting tougher, meaner, and more powerful on the lines, either or both
Mendenhall also played against offensive linemen who were smaller than today's players.