Again, just a rumor, do not shoot the messenger.
From the same source as before. He has been right in the past, and he has also been wrong in the past.
Just to elaborate on my source: a very, very close friend of mine is an attorney in the city. A few of the other attorneys in that office double as sports agents so they have some inside info and connections with their clients as well as other sports agents.
Anyway, he said the team will also cut J.D. Walton in an attempt to save cap space. Apparently the plan all along was to integrate Richburg slowly into the lineup. Walton was a veteran option just in case but when injuries hit the line, he was forced into the starting line as a guard. The team felt more comfortable with Richburg at guard than center. The plan moving forward is Richburg a center.
Again, this is just a rumor.
My guy said he may have some more info tonight/tomorrow as well as later in the offseason as well.
As long a everyone is alright with these unconfirmed rumors, I will keep posting them as I get them.
Anyone that has a problem with them doesn't have to click the thread, you are very clear this is a rumor.
so far the three cuts you mentioned, many people on here have speculated about so there not much surprise with these.
Agreed.
Beason, Kiwi, and Walton all fit the bill that you have described.
My guess is Adam Gettis.
Better have a replacement in place that's steady. I can't go through having a bad punter again. Lol.
Malone was pretty solid when he was with the Jets.
they save $3M on the cap if they cut Walton, with minimal dead space (relatively speaking).
That's enough to cut him even if they do want to re-sign him as a backup. I don't think most teams are paying 3.6M for a backup O-lineman.
Sharing is good.
who was going to play left guard ??
I would think that management would give Beason & Weatherford a chance to take a pay cut. If they refuse, then they're gone. But I'd be surprised if that happens.
Dallas Reynolds is a center too.
So, we could be looking at OC depth chart of Richburg, Reynolds, Herman.
I would think that management would give Beason & Weatherford a chance to take a pay cut. If they refuse, then they're gone. But I'd be surprised if that happens.
I would let Beason go, but wouldn't at all be surprised if he's first asked to take a pay cut. Same for Weatherford, although I'm sure the Giants appreciate how he gutted it out on a bad ankle last season. I frankly thought they should have put him on IR once the season was done.
In other words, Vin's lawyer-friends could have news that the Giants have no intention of letting any of the three play under their current contracts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be cut (re-negotiations are also a possibility).
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
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2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
I wouldn't give him one red cent. The man cannot handle a stunt to save his life.
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
Put down the bottle.
I can play guard and RT. So can you, so can anyone on this board. Doesn't mean we can play it well enough to belong on the roster.
John Jerry sucks as a starter, and he sucks as depth. If the NFL gave a one time exemption where he could play for free and only take up a roster space, no money, I still wouldnt want him.
He is versatile in the sense that he sucks everywhere he plays.
Except he didn't.
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As a 6th man at worst - Schwartz insurance
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
Put down the bottle.
I can play guard and RT. So can you, so can anyone on this board. Doesn't mean we can play it well enough to belong on the roster.
John Jerry sucks as a starter, and he sucks as depth. If the NFL gave a one time exemption where he could play for free and only take up a roster space, no money, I still wouldnt want him.
He is versatile in the sense that he sucks everywhere he plays.
Wrong.
He's also been a starting RG in a WCO all 48 games the last 3 seasons.
You don't have to wait for June 1st to make someone a June 1st cut. Teams can designate up to two players as post June 1st cuts prior to that date.
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As a 6th man at worst - Schwartz insurance
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
I wouldn't give him one red cent. The man cannot handle a stunt to save his life.
Based on one game playing next to the worst turnstile in NFL history (Charles Brown in 9ers game)??
LOL outside of that 1 game (which had more to do with Brown than Jerry) Jerry didn't struggle with stunts AT ALL.
Stop making up lies.
Nobody on the OL held up better in protection than Jerry, nobody.
The massive upgrade in Pass-protection at the RG spot from David Diehl to John Jerry had everything to do with Eli having a clean pocket up the middle that he didn't have last year. Look at the efficient season Eli had as a result.
Pass-protection was a STRENGTH of the O-Line save for when Charlie Brown and James Brewer had to come in and play. Jerry had a lot to do with that.
2. Only allowed 3 sacks at RG all year. 1 in the Colts game (happened when the game was already out of reach), 1 in the 49ers game next to Charlie Brown (by far his worst game as a pro), 1 in the Jags game next to James Brewer.
In the 14 games where Jerry was the RG and either Pugh/Schwartz was the RT (aka someone who isn't garbage like Brown/Brewer), Jerry allowed one, I repeat, ONE, sack.
But yeah, let's make up lies and pretend Jerry didn't do a great job overall of protecting Eli.
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As a 6th man at worst - Schwartz insurance
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
I wouldn't give him one red cent. The man cannot handle a stunt to save his life.
Based on one game playing next to the worst turnstile in NFL history (Charles Brown in 9ers game)??
LOL outside of that 1 game (which had more to do with Brown than Jerry) Jerry didn't struggle with stunts AT ALL.
Stop making up lies.
Bullshit. Quotes from BBI game reviews this last season:
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He is a terrible football player unworthy of even a depth position. As far as lies, come at me with facts next time - you may be new here, so know this - I don't post anything without having done my homework.
I think Beatty was better in pass pro than Jerry this year.
Jerry is an average to above average pass protector and absolutely dreadful run blocker. He generates no push. His performance this year is impossible to defend. The greatest asset he provided was health. Walton and Jerry were non-factors in the run game and liabilities in pass pro. The only linemen who were worse were the Brown and Brewer. There is only one way to settle this though, break out the PFT grades.
All that said, he does provide versatility and could get an invite to camp, but I think it would be at Vet min. No one is going to pay this guy and no one should. He has no real value.
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As a 6th man at worst - Schwartz insurance
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
I wouldn't give him one red cent. The man cannot handle a stunt to save his life.
Based on one game playing next to the worst turnstile in NFL history (Charles Brown in 9ers game)??
LOL outside of that 1 game (which had more to do with Brown than Jerry) Jerry didn't struggle with stunts AT ALL.
Stop making up lies.
Bullshit. Quotes from BBI game reviews this last season:
Vs. Lions:
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The biggest take away from the film was that Suh simply beat Jerry off the ball too many times and caught him off guard.
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A few plays later, the right side of the offensive line, Justin Pugh, John Jerry, and Walton seemed to be confused by a stunt as Eli was sacked on 3rd-and-7.
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On the next series, John Jerry failed to pick up a stunt on 3rd-and-12 and Eli had to throw the ball away.
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Look at the following back-to-back offensive plays where Eli is under immediate pressure as first Will Beatty, then John Jerry, completely whiff (and I do mean whiff) on their blocks.
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That said, some of Brown’s problems in pass protection were also caused by RG John Jerry’s poor game. Both VETERAN linemen played like they had never seen a stunt before and got in each others way.
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The line came up small on the last desperate drive as Schwartz was bull-rushed twice into Eli’s face and then Jerry let his man blow by him to hit Manning.
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I was underwhelmed by the run blocking, particularly by RG John Jerry (as inconsistent as they come and responsible for too many negative plays; he doesn’t sustain or completely misses too many blocks; he also is easily confused by stunts and blitzes),
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The two weak spots remain OC J.D. Walton and RG John Jerry. For example, on the only New York drive in the first half that did not result in points, Walton’s bad block on 1st-and-10 led to a 1-yard loss. On 2nd-and-11, Manning had to quickly unload the ball as Jerry’s man blew past him to hit Manning as he threw the ball. Jerry gave up another quick pressure in the second quarter.
He is a terrible football player unworthy of even a depth position. As far as lies, come at me with facts next time - you may be new here, so know this - I don't post anything without having done my homework.
Again, you might have missed my last post.
1. Allowed just 1 sack in 14 games when he had a competent RT next to him (Pugh for 13 games, Schwartz in the Dallas game)
2. Committed 0 pass-holding penalties the entire year.
I think Beatty was better in pass pro than Jerry this year.
Jerry is an average to above average pass protector and absolutely dreadful run blocker. He generates no push. His performance this year is impossible to defend. The greatest asset he provided was health. Walton and Jerry were non-factors in the run game and liabilities in pass pro. The only linemen who were worse were the Brown and Brewer. There is only one way to settle this though, break out the PFT grades.
All that said, he does provide versatility and could get an invite to camp, but I think it would be at Vet min. No one is going to pay this guy and no one should. He has no real value.
Beatty benefitted from Jerry as well.
Jerry allowed Eli to drift right and step up in the pocket.
This allowed Beatty to ride his DE along the edge, a luxury he did not have in 2013.
A strong pass-blocking RG will make the LT's job easier, for certain.
1 sack allowed in 14 games when he played next to a competent RT
0 pass-holding penalties the entire year
Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.
You have no case except nitpicking 1 or 2 plays from certain games.
The fact still stands: John Jerry gave up ONE sack in 2014 when he didn't have Charles Brown or James Brewer next to him at RT, all while committing ZERO holding penalties in the pass game all year.
To suggest that Jerry wasn't a good pass-blocker just makes you a complete ignorant fool.
"[You] must have a great pass blocking RG so the QB can step up to allow Ts to ride DEs around the edge," Schwartz said. "Most QBs are right handed and slowly drift right without knowing it. Most schemes slide left 75% of the time to protect the blind side. The RG and RT [are] most often on an island."
http://www.patspulpit.com/2014/10/14/6974053/the-value-of-a-great-right-guard-why-every-patriots-right-guard-is
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He struggled in the run game, not in the pass game. He was a consistently stout pass-blocker.
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because like Kiwi, as stated in a previous thread, the cap savings for Walton does not change regardless if it is a pre- or post- June 1st. But for Beason, waiting for post June 1st is worth another 1.5 million in cap space.
You don't have to wait for June 1st to make someone a June 1st cut. Teams can designate up to two players as post June 1st cuts prior to that date.
Thanks Optimus. I had forgotten that detail.
I know he can backup as a Guard and RT, but does anyone know if he can be a backup at LT too? The Giants typically don't just discard OL that can play two positions. It's one of the few reasons Brewer has hung on this long.
Any effort to defend Jerry as a "good" or "solid" player is unsupportable, but if the case you are trying to make is that he is quality depth, then you have a valid point.
2 yrs $2 million
Can play guard and RT
I wouldnt pay him in shit and squirrels.
They're going to trim veteran fat in order to preserve enough cap space to go into UFA looking for OL and defense, otherwise this roster will not be much better than 8-9 wins at best again next season, not unlike last season.
Dallas Reynolds is a center too.
So, we could be looking at OC depth chart of Richburg, Reynolds, Herman.
Herman practiced at center throughout training camp last year. You don't carry 3 centers and Reynolds was inadequate trying to play the guard position, he is a goner. I would like to see Herman in a game playing guard. He has to have a good football IQ to even have been considered for Center and he was a beast as a guard in college. I just hope he isn't another Petrus. JMHO.
Guys who suck are not solid depth. If they suck you don't ever want them on the field, and John Jerry unquestionably sucks. Bad players are bad players, they belong off the roster
Injuries helped wreck what I projected was probably an 8-9 win team at best. The 2014 roster was really only built for one year because that's all it could be optimized for. They did what they could with limited resources and a limited talent pool to draw from, imv.
I'm not sure there's more vet talent available this offseason, but the draft will provide a boost and the core levels will build on another year of experience, weight training, etc.
I wouldn't resign Jerry. Even if there's a legitimate argument about his pass blocking, his run blocking was so bad it negates anything positive he did or might do in pass protection.
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I couldn't agree more. I am grateful for his time here and he has done everything asked of him. With that said he just doesn't make any plays anymore and Coughlin continues to start him rather than give the younger kids who actually do make plays a chance.
His run blocking is atrocious but you need depth OL who won't get your QB killed and he does that
as depth, I'd rather have some young draft pick who is revving up to replace the starters in a year or two, but we've shit the bed big time in developing youngsters outside of the top picks, so for this year most of our depth is going to have be found in this years draft or FA.
Walton wasn't the worst signing ever, but he did get a decent signing bonus for a show me contract, and from all reports was pretty pathetic. I don't think he was signed with the idea of being a one year player. It's a no brainer, though, that he's not coming back at his current cap hit, and questionable that he'd be back even at minimum. Ideally, you want a guy who can back up multiple positions.
Barring Beason not healing well, and presuming he'd be willing to waive the big roster bonus he's due in a month, it would be somewhat shocking to see him cut outright.
I think he can be an all pro guard and above average RT but don't know if he has the skillset for LT.
If the Giants feel differently then maybe they wouldn't be sunk should Beatty underwhelm or get injured again.
But if not,they need another LT. Many of this year OL FAs while versatile, aren't guys who can play LT even in a pinch.
Will this come via draft or FA?
In other words, Vin's lawyer-friends could have news that the Giants have no intention of letting any of the three play under their current contracts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be cut (re-negotiations are also a possibility).
Yours is a point with some validity, but how did R&R get the roster in this position just to churn mediocre FA picks? Because they left the OF a rather complete s..tshow. I'm confused too why the fix would be attempted if they knew it was short term or less in duration. Not a healthy sign of how they are approaching weak areas of the roster.
Yours is a point with some validity, but how did R&R get the roster in this position just to churn mediocre FA picks? Because they left the OF a rather complete s..tshow. I'm confused too why the fix would be attempted if they knew it was short term or less in duration. Not a healthy sign of how they are approaching weak areas of the roster.
CHP, no argument from me, I think it's quite clear Reese did not do a very good job in the '11-12 years overall. They rested on their laurels and were fooled by the last SB run. Imo. They started to get to work two years ago and it probably takes 3-4 offseasons to retool a roster fully.
We're looking at 2016 to perhaps contend, imv.
You can probably get a Boothe-level starter for ~$1M and certainly for $2M (total cap hit). Walton is currently slated to cost $3.625M against the cap with only $625k in dead money if cut. So if you can get a comparable (or better) backup for even $2M cap hit, you save $1M in cap money ($3.625 - $625k dead money - $2M for new FA = $1M savings for backup OC).
Only way it's not a no brainer is if they think Walton is a more capable backup then whoever they'd get (hard to imagine that's the case from what we saw).
Now, Kiwanuka is clearly gone.
LB Beason is a maybe in my book. I think Beason may be approached about a pay cut to stay. I still think Beason could have a bounce-back year.
Walton likely doesn't have much upside at this point but again I stress how much better of a back-up are you going to get at this point?
Now, Kiwanuka is clearly gone.
LB Beason is a maybe in my book. I think Beason may be approached about a pay cut to stay. I still think Beason could have a bounce-back year.
Walton likely doesn't have much upside at this point but again I stress how much better of a back-up are you going to get at this point?
Look at it this way. If Walton isn't cut, he'll count an additional $3M against the cap (unless he accepts a paycut). Thus, it comes down to 2 things for me:
1. Can you find a comparable backup C for <$3M?
2. Can you find someone that can backup both G and C?
And since I think they can absolutely find a Boothe level guy for <$3M cap hit, I think it's unlikely Walton is back unless he takes a straight up pay cut.
Now, Kiwanuka is clearly gone.
LB Beason is a maybe in my book. I think Beason may be approached about a pay cut to stay. I still think Beason could have a bounce-back year.
Walton likely doesn't have much upside at this point but again I stress how much better of a back-up are you going to get at this point?
Exactly as a back up this could work but only if he takes a paycut (unless the salary for this year is already pretty low).
Beason for nothing much more than minimum. His injury frequency the last few years is extremely high.
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He knows the offense. He played all season. He'd be a back-up at OC and maybe OG. I mean if you could get a better back-up wouldn't he want to go somewhere he may start and possibly get more money in the future? Richburg is our starter??
Now, Kiwanuka is clearly gone.
LB Beason is a maybe in my book. I think Beason may be approached about a pay cut to stay. I still think Beason could have a bounce-back year.
Walton likely doesn't have much upside at this point but again I stress how much better of a back-up are you going to get at this point?
Exactly as a back up this could work but only if he takes a paycut (unless the salary for this year is already pretty low).
Beason for nothing much more than minimum. His injury frequency the last few years is extremely high.
His salary for 2015 currently stands at $2.25M + a $750k roster bonus (likely due first week of the "league year"). So in total his salary for this year is essentially $3M which is quite high for a backup.
Anyone that has a problem with them doesn't have to click the thread, you are very clear this is a rumor.
so far the three cuts you mentioned, many people on here have speculated about so there not much surprise with these.
Bingo. Score 1 for VC. Absolutely keep going. Anything this time of the year is of interest. Hope your friends right. We need to shed dead weight.