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NFT: Duke-St. John's: Jahlil watch (for Knicks fans)

dpinzow : 1/25/2015 2:15 pm
and possibly Coach K's 1000th win. Pretty excited MSG in the early going
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RE: lets discuss  
dpinzow : 1/25/2015 3:37 pm : link
In comment 12108666 KWhite2250 said:
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how st johns is suffocating on D and running them up and down


STJ is playing with frenetic energy
Phil and Steve Mills in the building!  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:38 pm : link
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RE: Look Mook, I know you hate everything Duke  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12108661 dpinzow said:
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but Jahlil is an NBA franchise player just due to his post skills


Name the franchise centers that sucked defensively.
I dont see an effort issue  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:40 pm : link
with Okafor. I see a guy who just isnt any good defensively. Hes getting abused all game.
RE: RE: Look Mook, I know you hate everything Duke  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12108678 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12108661 dpinzow said:


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but Jahlil is an NBA franchise player just due to his post skills



Name the franchise centers that sucked defensively.


Andrea Bargnani, as Raptors fans found out very quickly
People are already setting  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:42 pm : link
themselves up for real dissapointment if we get this guy. And its not his fault the expectations people have. Hes very polished offensively.

Hes average at best athletically and rebounding.

And a horror show defensively.

Thats not a franchise player
defense is more about athleticism than offense  
Osix_ : 1/25/2015 3:42 pm : link
so I actually think it's more likely for a prospect to improve on offense than defense.

Okafor seems below-average defensively. I haven't seen enough of him to say how far below-average. Centers are the most important defensive players in the game, so I've always been wary of college Centers who project as below-average on D.

But Okafor clearly has 20 PPG potential as a beast low-post scorer. He's exactly what the Knicks need in a triangle big on offense.

I'd take Okafor #1 because his offense feels like a safe bet to translate but Towns clearly has the higher ceiling imo. The two-way potential with him is greater. He's still raw though.

Neither Okafor or Towns is close to the prospect that Embiid was before he got hurt imo.
Also consider that Okafor is only 19 years old and while he moves  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:43 pm : link
extremely well for a 6'11, 270 pounder, he's not exactly chiseled. If he turns that into muscle, his defense and rebounding will improve. The only thing is he seems to lack toughness. I'd like to see him contest shots and be more of a rim protector. Make your presence known on the defensive end, Jahlil!
So maybe a better David Lee type?  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:45 pm : link
A guy who will average a double-double, but who will be a black hole defensively?
Nothing like Lee  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:48 pm : link
I would still take him number 1, but i think peoples expectations for him are very unreasonable
C'mon, Okafor  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:49 pm : link
That's terrible effort
sir dom  
KWhite2250 : 1/25/2015 3:50 pm : link
has really become a very good player. last year he was so bad
Ash is the leaderof the  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:50 pm : link
D'angelo russell bandwagon, but it will get a lot bigger if we dont win the lottery.
to be fair  
Osix_ : 1/25/2015 3:52 pm : link
Demarcus Cousins was a guy who I thought would never develop into a great player because of his poor defense in college. Well, he worked his ass off and is a good defender in the NBA now.

Cousins is def more athletic than Okafor though so I don't know if Okafor will make the same improvements on D. But Okafor is 270lbs with a 7'5" wingspan so there are tools there for him to improve as a rim protector atleast.
Cousins  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:55 pm : link
washt poor defensively in college always. He just was maddeningly inconsistent, bith offensively and defensively. He would have games where he would dominate defensively. Okafor literally never positively impacts the game defensively
And most of it  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:55 pm : link
with Cousins is mental
And cousins  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 3:58 pm : link
was a much better rebounder, too
That's the fire I want to see!  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 3:59 pm : link
Nice job, Jahlil
Jahlil  
Jon in NYC : 1/25/2015 4:01 pm : link
is nice but not a franchise guy. I agree with the al Jeff comparisons.

Duke has to  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:03 pm : link
Play zone defense because of how bad Okafor is defensively
Lavin  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:05 pm : link
Is also once again coaching a terrible game. So sick of him
i love how  
KWhite2250 : 1/25/2015 4:07 pm : link
st johns can be bumped on their drives and they will never get calls. not that its costing them the game but jesus christ call the body bumps both ways. maybe lavin should coach flopping and throwing your head back in practice like ratboy does in his
Thats such garbage  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:11 pm : link
Tyus Jones kicks out his leg and gets the call
This is a very poorly coached  
Jon in NYC : 1/25/2015 4:11 pm : link
johnnies team. How do you crush someone on a 3 like that?
I'm surprised Plumlee won't even try for the NBA  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 4:12 pm : link
But good for him for serving our country. You'd think though that he'll get way more playing time next year without Okafor to improve his stock. Given his size and his bloodlines, at the very least, I think he could be a second rounder that can be developed in the D-League.
Thats not a foul  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:12 pm : link
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He didnt crush him  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:12 pm : link
Jones kicked out his right leg
Good defense by Okafor there  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 4:14 pm : link
Using his size to his advantage
Game.  
Jon in NYC : 1/25/2015 4:15 pm : link
Give me DAngelo Russell and Frank over Jahlil
Yeah, has Winslow even seen the floor at all this half?  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 4:15 pm : link
His stock has been taking a tumble in recent weeks
what game is jonwatching?  
KWhite2250 : 1/25/2015 4:15 pm : link
that was clearly a reggie miller special. the kid doesnt kick out hus leg and jordan is nowhere near him
RE: I'm surprised Plumlee won't even try for the NBA  
Greg from LI : 1/25/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12108727 Anakim said:
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But good for him for serving our country. You'd think though that he'll get way more playing time next year without Okafor to improve his stock. Given his size and his bloodlines, at the very least, I think he could be a second rounder that can be developed in the D-League.



Fredo sucks. No one's wasting a draft pick on him.
Tyus jones  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:16 pm : link
is anything but a big time player. Settle down.

I hope st johns misses the tourney so Lavin gets fired. Bas soon as Duke went to zone because okafor was a sieve defensively they had no idea what to do. Never adjusted
mook  
KWhite2250 : 1/25/2015 4:18 pm : link
the bullshit whistle changed the game. st johns had a dunk to go up 61-51. duke seemed to want it more and scored on almost every possession it seemed since that point
Say what you want about Coach K, but that's an incredible  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 4:24 pm : link
accomplishment. 1000 wins is incredible
Eh  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:24 pm : link
They could have called that a travel, and we got a free 3 points. They lost because Lavin is an awful coach who couldnt adjust to zone
Hes a self serving douche  
MookGiants : 1/25/2015 4:25 pm : link
I look forward to watching them to some awful mid major in the first round again this year
RE: Hes a self serving douche  
Anakim : 1/25/2015 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12108742 MookGiants said:
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I look forward to watching them to some awful mid major in the first round again this year


No Mercer this year!
mook  
KWhite2250 : 1/25/2015 4:29 pm : link
i hate lavin just as much as you but that was not a walk, the duke kid knocked it out of rysheeds hands. thats when duke went on the run. would they have won if they got the dunk, who knows.

harrison getting hurt in fucking practice 2 weeks ago was a huge thing for this team. if he plays anywhere near what he can do, they might have won.
This is why some actually have Towns rated above Okafor  
Coach Mason : 1/25/2015 4:30 pm : link
And feel some of his true offensive potential is being held back by the liberal rotations he is used in.

Okafor has a great offensive NBA game but his lack of D does worry me a bit.
Incredible achievement by K  
Rob in CT/NYC : 1/25/2015 5:51 pm : link
Great man and a great coach.
Incredible accomplishment by K...  
bw in dc : 1/25/2015 6:11 pm : link
One of the great coaches in US sports history.

I wish he was less involved in the "one and done" recruiting pipeline, but it's almost as if he has no choice if he wants to compete at the highest level.

Okafor  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/25/2015 7:22 pm : link
reminds me of a bigger, slower Melo. Not an explosive athlete, but he is smooth, has great footwork, great touch, and a great knack for the hoop. Defensively, he is lacking big time. He was atrocious today. I don't know if it's effort or just a lack of athleticism but he is a glacier on the defensive end. Hopefully, for his sake, a good strength and conditioning coach can work with him and develop him into a more powerful big man.

Part of me thinks that it's also on Coach K who has struggled in recent years to build strong defensive teams as he recruits these one-and-done types-- not that it would be easy for any coach to do so.

Surprisingly, the game turned when K finally put in Plumlee to play for the last 10 minutes or so. Once that happened, St. John's was no longer able to push Duke around.

That said, I still think Okafor is the guy you take at #1.
I don't watch much college ball so I haven't watched him, but  
steve in ky : 1/25/2015 7:55 pm : link
players can grow their game once in the pro's. I remember the word on Ewing coming out of college was that he was considered great defensively but nothing more than average offensively. He went on to be a terrific scoring center so just maybe this kid could learn how to eventually be a decent defender in the pro's.
As long as you get a premier defensive PF  
#10* : 1/25/2015 8:34 pm : link
next to him you'll be fine. If you don't, your not going anywhere in the playoffs.

There is also the fact that he may give more effort once he's drafted. I can see why he'd want to keep out of foul trouble for now.
I was happy to see SJU fans come out  
marbles : 1/25/2015 9:03 pm : link
That was the biggest worry walking into the Garden.

The team played hard. Obekpa played Okafor tough. Harrison's obviously hurt.

If the team plays with the same passion going forward, they will be in the tournament.
Maybe a dumb question  
steve in ky : 1/25/2015 9:06 pm : link
but has he said he was going to declare for the draft? He is just a freshman, correct?
RE: Incredible accomplishment by K...  
MookGiants : 1/26/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12108845 bw in dc said:
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One of the great coaches in US sports history.

I wish he was less involved in the "one and done" recruiting pipeline, but it's almost as if he has no choice if he wants to compete at the highest level.


Funny part is since he has gotten involved with the one and dones, they haven't done shit in the tournament. It's not working for him
the hats and T-shirts like they just won a championship were hilarious  
Greg from LI : 1/26/2015 12:23 pm : link
And apparently someone somewhere paid for a fucking billboard on I-64 in Richmond with his sneering mug. Ruined my morning commute.
RE: RE: Incredible accomplishment by K...  
bw in dc : 1/26/2015 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12109865 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12108845 bw in dc said:


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Funny part is since he has gotten involved with the one and dones, they haven't done shit in the tournament. It's not working for him


Mook - They have been far less steady - that's for sure. They have won two titles in 2001 and 2010. And the made the finals in 1999. But "Camelot" for Duke was 1984 through 1994. They were insanely great...
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