NFT: Mets Fans - Curt Schilling Likes the Mets Pitching Staff

is a power pitcher now? Damn Curt must want a job with the Mets.

They are rich beyond belief in the rotation. Maybe that's enough to make them a contender, like the A's with Hudson/Mulder/Zito?

seems like he doesn't realize Mejia is a reliever now.

It is nice for us to step back and smile at those kinds of comments.

I think he just used it as a term to describe them being really good.

Anyway, yeah.. it's just a compliment. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Obviously Mejia isn't in the rotation but he's a good young arm who did pretty well as a closer in his first run at it.

power staff, not rotation. a pitching coach doesn't work with relievers?

Anyway, dissect it all you want. I just meant to share it because he knows more about these guys than I do and it's IMO a nice compliment when one of the games recent greats acknowledges potential greatness in others.

In comment 12109008 Eric on Li said:

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They are rich beyond belief in the rotation. Maybe that's enough to make them a contender, like the A's with Hudson/Mulder/Zito?

Eric I really think you are underrating the As "supporting" players. Giambi, Tejada and Chavez are multi time allstars and Ramon Hernandez was a "star" for his position.

In comment 12109015 pjcas18 said:

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power staff, not rotation. a pitching coach doesn't work with relievers? Anyway, dissect it all you want. I just meant to share it because he knows more about these guys than I do and it's IMO a nice compliment when one of the games recent greats acknowledges potential greatness in others.

Then why no Familia?

Missing the set up man isn't really an egregious error, IMO..

It's just a compliment. No need to get nuts and overanalyze it.

recent Giants teams seem more realistic than those A's teams which we all know were unusually strong with OBP (Moneyball) and quietly had quite a few in their prime stars. They most certainly were full of roid users but that's really besides the point. Giambi and Tejada in particular were MVP caliber players in their prime, and Chavez was quietly pretty great despite his injuries.

Hernandez a forgotten "star" of his era was the 8th best catcher in baseball during his time in Oakland. Tejada certainly cheated (He was suspended right?) but he was a great player in his prime and even Dye for whatever the reason is forgotten regarding how good he was offensively.

not calling Schilling out. The Mets young pitching is probably top 5 in the game. Nationals clearly #1, not sure it's even close or all that debatable but the Mets certainly top 5.

Giambi? Either way doesn't matter much because they never won anything so it's not like it's some magic combination that's worth unlocking. More so just hope that a team can be carried almost entirely by starting pitching (Giants analogy also works, only thing that seemed better about the A's is that they'd previously been a downtrodden franchise with a low payroll).

In comment 12109024 DanMetroMan said:

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recent Giants teams seem more realistic than those A's teams which we all know were unusually strong with OBP (Moneyball) and quietly had quite a few in their prime stars. They most certainly were full of roid users but that's really besides the point. Giambi and Tejada in particular were MVP caliber players in their prime, and Chavez was quietly pretty great despite his injuries.

Agree, the Giants teams are a good comparison.

A's were a very strange team because Beane (as we know) focused on OBP, undervalued guys etc so their offense had guys who weren't "names" but put up numbers. Now we "know" they almost certainly were full of cheaters. I'd be stunned if both Giambi's didn't cheat, Tejada cheated, Ramon Hernandez suspected, Jermaine Dye suspected etc etc but they were a really good offensive squad thanks to the league being slow to adjust to the OBP stuff. The Giants seem like a fair comp. 1 star bat (Posey), some great pitchers (at different times Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner being the best) some solid vets, a strong pen and some weird "out of nowhere" veterans (Vogelsong etc).

Eventually they will be traded for prospects.

1. Nats (Scherzer, Strasburg, Gio, Zimmermann, Roark, Giolito, Fister)

Significant drop


2. Mets

3. Rays, Indians, Dodgers

In comment 12109046 feelflows said:

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Eventually they will be traded for prospects.

Well none are going to be FA for a while so a "while" should be at least 2019. if they somehow let Harvey go (barring injury) the fans will truly revolt, the franchise would be crippled.

They have new owners by then!!!

hope the Mets show some guts and try and extend these guys as soon as possible. They should talk extension with the "big 3" as well as Mejia and Familia right away. Buy out arb years, hope to get a few FA years.

In comment 12109015 pjcas18 said:

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power staff, not rotation. a pitching coach doesn't work with relievers? Anyway, dissect it all you want. I just meant to share it because he knows more about these guys than I do and it's IMO a nice compliment when one of the games recent greats acknowledges potential greatness in others.

I took it the same way as you, in that he was just meaning a powerful staff for one team, not that they were all power pitchers.

because they wont beat the Nats for 1st place

and missed some of our bigger names like Matz, Black, and Familia which only affirms his point further. Oh 2015 season, can you get here soon?

LOL Yeah, but it was just a tweet. The guy wasn't writing an in depth article on the Mets pitching staff.

In comment 12109105 spike said:

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because they wont beat the Nats for 1st place

I'm sure even Alderson would agree with this if hooked up to a lie detector test. The Nationals on paper look incredible.

C- Ramos
2b- Escobar
SS- Desmond (2nd best SS in baseball)
3b- Rendon (budding superstar)
LF- Harper
CF- Span (crazy underrated)
RF-Werth
1b- Zimmerman

Scherzer, Strasburg, Zimmermann, Gonzalez, Fister, Roark

Damn

Should be an interesting season.

In comment 12109113 steve in ky said:

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LOL Yeah, but it was just a tweet. The guy wasn't writing an in depth article on the Mets pitching staff.

Yeah I know. Just saying... he's rattling off names and mentioning how good we are going to be and he's actually "forgetting guys" . Thats a good thing!

can't get past it. Familia is a set up guy, Vic Black is less than that and Matz has made 12 starts above A ball, but it's crazy Schilling didn't go that deep in his compliment of the Mets staff.

LOL. Sure, that's what's crazy.

of right now Black doesn;'t even belong in the discussion. He's a hard thrower who has done absolutely nothing in the majors. 59 major league games 0.1 WAR. He could be something if he walks less hitters but right now he's a non-factor.

what measure has Black been good or worthy of mention? I'd love to hear this one beyond "he throws hard!"

projects him as below replacement level as a matter of fact (-0.1 WAR) Bobby Parnell was as valuable as Vic Black last year... yeah the same Parnell who threw 1 inning.
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but their lineup isn't really that scary(loads of injury and question marks). On paper with everyone they look like the Dodgers did a couple years ago and we all know how thats all worked out for the Dodgers.

offense isn't "scary" but also doesn't have any holes (Escobar may be one if he doesn't bounce back) but they are loaded with average or better and Rendon is a budding star. Werth is likely as valuable or close to as valuable as any Met next year.

Lol. Yes lets all come down on Black. A guy with closer upside who drastically improved his command as the year went on and yes throws 98 with a wicked curveball. Every Met fan on earth who actually watched a baseball game was impressed with Black last year. He is absolutely somebody with enormous upside still that we should all be excited in. He mentioned Syndergaard too. WHERE"S THE PROOF???

In comment 12109118 pjcas18 said:

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can't get past it. Familia is a set up guy, Vic Black is less than that and Matz has made 12 starts above A ball, but it's crazy Schilling didn't go that deep in his compliment of the Mets staff. LOL. Sure, that's what's crazy.

OMG. I wasn't criticizing in any way. I was just saying we have even more then what he mentioned. Geezus.

Nats lost LaRoche and replaced Espinosa with Escobar. Ramos missed half a season. Their position players were 5th in baseball last year. No reason to expect any real regression there. Rendon, Ramos, Harper, Desmond are all sub-30 and Span is 31 coming off a big season.

In comment 12109132 ZGiants98 said:

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Lol. Yes lets all come down on Black. A guy with closer upside who drastically improved his command as the year went on and yes throws 98 with a wicked curveball. Every Met fan on earth who actually watched a baseball game was impressed with Black last year. He is absolutely somebody with enormous upside still that we should all be excited in. He mentioned Syndergaard too. WHERE"S THE PROOF???

Victor Black has been an absolute NOTHING at the MLB level so far. You don't think every team in baseball has a hard throwing reliever who touches mid 90's? He's been a total NOTHING. Give me some proof he hasn't. Proof is in the pudding... 59 games 0.1 WAR... career. 2014, 0.0 WAR. He was as valuable as Erik Goeddel.

fans were impressed with Black? Based on what? He throws hard. That's it. Of course people fall in love with velocity. If a 3.77 FIP from a reliever with 4.9 BB/9 impresses you then you are simply easy to please.

Zimmerman can't stay healthy and really isn't going to put up 1st base numbers though even in a best case scenario. Harper is a head case and gets injured all the time as well. Werth is at the tale end of a great career. The lineup looks solid on paper but we'll see what happens.

2 seasons combined a 3.77 FIP would rank 98th in baseball amongst reliever. 0.0 WAR would rank tied for 110. Sorry boss, not "impressed" beyond "yes he throws hard and maybe he can turn that into something".

In comment 12109139 ZGiants98 said:

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Zimmerman can't stay healthy and really isn't going to put up 1st base numbers though even in a best case scenario. Harper is a head case and gets injured all the time as well. Werth is at the tale end of a great career. The lineup looks solid on paper but we'll see what happens.

This might be the most homerific comment you have EVER made on this site
Why is Werth at the tail end of his career but Cuddyer and Granderson routinely have you going wild? Werth just put up a 4.8 WAR season. He's younger than Cuddyer. Explain this to me?

Yes Black had control issues in the early part of the year but he clearly got better as the year went on. He was put in some serious high leverage situations towards the end of the season and looked incredible. Get your head out of the stat book once in a while. It was his first fucking season. This kid has always had closer upside. He's supposed to have it completely fulfilled in one season??? Nobody is supposed to be excited about Black now? Get the fuck out of here.

In comment 12109143 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12109139 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Zimmerman can't stay healthy and really isn't going to put up 1st base numbers though even in a best case scenario. Harper is a head case and gets injured all the time as well. Werth is at the tale end of a great career. The lineup looks solid on paper but we'll see what happens. This might be the most homerific comment you have EVER made on this site Why is Werth at the tail end of his career but Cuddyer and Granderson routinely have you going wild? Werth just put up a 4.8 WAR season. He's younger than Cuddyer. Explain this to me?

Dude you are such a fucking toolbag. Im saying, LIKE US, they have players with age and injury concerns. They aren't exempt. Nobody is saying they don't look good on paper or Werth isn't good.

10 WAR 357 Games played- Werth, Steamer projects 2.8 WAR, 2014 4.8 WAR


Cuddyer 4.5 WAR 280 games playeed, 1.5 WAR in 2014 Steamer projects 0.9 WAR


Please explain why Werth is at the tail end but you have spent months RAVING about the older Cuddyer and his addition to the Mets lineup.

boss, not letting you off that easy. Why is Werth at the tail end but Cuddyer is going to be a huge addition. Please explain that opinion.

you fucking moron. That's what happens when you are 35/36 and playing MLB.

In comment 12109144 ZGiants98 said:

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Yes Black had control issues in the early part of the year but he clearly got better as the year went on. He was put in some serious high leverage situations towards the end of the season and looked incredible. Get your head out of the stat book once in a while. It was his first fucking season. This kid has always had closer upside. He's supposed to have it completely fulfilled in one season??? Nobody is supposed to be excited about Black now? Get the fuck out of here.

Nope. Vic Black second half 13.1 innings 7 walks 4.05 ERA, Vic Black 1st half 21.1 innings 12 walks 1.69 ERA

In comment 12109157 ZGiants98 said:

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you fucking moron. That's what happens when you are 35/36 and playing MLB.

Wait... you didn't just say Werth was at the tail end as a reason for why the Nats lineup shouldn't be that good? You don't mention Cuddyer as a GREAT addition to the Mets lineup DAILY? It can't go both ways.

heightened. Of course we all know Cuddyer could get injured but your spouting out how their huge middle of the order bat(Werth) is exempt???

In comment 12109161 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12109157 ZGiants98 said: Quote: you fucking moron. That's what happens when you are 35/36 and playing MLB. Wait... you didn't just say Werth was at the tail end as a reason for why the Nats lineup shouldn't be that good? You don't mention Cuddyer as a GREAT addition to the Mets lineup DAILY? It can't go both ways.

Can you please show me where I said the Nats lineup wouldn't be good?? You fucking prick.