last yr everyone busted his chops for keeping schools open with a ft of snow. Today everyone is busting his chops for overreacting and closing everything down last night lol.
Why the forecasts turned out to be so wrong on the western side.
So, what caused the storm to drop less snow along the I-95 corridor in the mid-Atlantic from Philadelphia to New York City?
According to AccuWeather.com Chief Meteorologist Elliot Abrams, "The storm was more compact than we thought it would get. As a result, the back edge of the heavy snow and strong winds were farther to the east."
Once the storm hit the Atlantic Ocean on Monday, it began to strengthen tremendously and move steadily northeastward, rather than stall. The storm also began to track a few dozen miles farther east than speculated on Sunday.
Had the storm swelled larger by 50 miles farther west, blizzard conditions would have reached New York City, and a heavy snow accumulation would have edged into the Philadelphia area.
Because of the storm's compact size, relatively speaking, the heavy wet snow was limited to extreme southeastern New England.
Far Eastern Long Island got two feet of dry powder? I doubt it.
Because all of the people in NYC were forced into a State of Emergency for 8" of snow.
What do you think they're going to do next time?
Exaggeration just to force the public to respond a certain way is the exact thing that is wrong with all of this. Just be as truthful as possible and let people decide on their own how seriously to take it.
You can't let people decide on their own, because then it does hit hard and you have emergency responders having to risk their lives to save these idiots.
last yr everyone busted his chops for keeping schools open with a ft of snow. Today everyone is busting his chops for overreacting and closing everything down last night lol.
at least the focus is off of his tenuous relationship with the police now.
to read on Facebook, everyone bellyaching about the storm or all the losers from high school sad over Blink-182.
How old are you? I'm 26 and blink was one of the essential bands as I was growing up and going through adolescence. Don't really see the problem with people talking about the breakup of one of their favorite and most revered childhood bands.
to read on Facebook, everyone bellyaching about the storm or all the losers from high school sad over Blink-182.
How old are you? I'm 26 and blink was one of the essential bands as I was growing up and going through adolescence. Don't really see the problem with people talking about the breakup of one of their favorite and most revered childhood bands.
I'm 27 going on 28 in April, don't you ever talk to your edler like that again, son. Yeah. That's what the depressing part is. Blink-182 is considered essential. What were those lyrics to that one song about fucking dogs?
RE: media hyped things instead getting facts together
The storm IS as strong as predicted. It just shifted from where it hit. It would be irresponsible to "overhype" the possibility of being missed, as the change happened after everyone had a chance to prepare.
In Rochester, if we get a huge storm prediction, and it mercifully misses us, we're fucking glad of it.
That freak storm that hit Buffalo in November collapsed roof on houses and manufacturing facilities. It's fortunate the casualties weren't higher.
And everyone remembers the huge snow storm that Mayor Lindsay failed to prepare for, knocking out power and stranding millions in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan. No mayor wants to have to eat the responsibility for a major clusterfuck like that.
The last major snow storm predicted for NYC in 2006 proved to be all it was expected to be.
The people who didn't prepare for Sandy are fucking idiots
that given how much snow Eastern LI got, and the magnitude of peak winds in the 50+ mph range, there weren't any significant power outages.
From Newsday:
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Public Service Electric and Gas Long Island reported that as of 9 a.m. Tuesday, only 150 of its 1.1 million customers were without power. Spokesman Jeffrey Weir said the utility had restored power to about 7,000 customers throughout the blizzard. Weir also said extra personnel brought in from around the state and elsewhere to assist with the storm were being sent home.
What a dud this storm turned out to be for us here in Northern NJ
I got about 3 to 4 inches. I'm just glad I got the day off from work. I'm 32 now, and the biggest blizzard I remember was in 1996. I was I'm 7th grade and I could remember the snow completely covering cars. I would say we got around 24 to 36 inches then.
that we had that NYC was going to be spared the brunt of it was DeBlasio nattering about a historic storm - guy is pretty much on the wrong side of everything. Wish I knew who he liked in the Super Bowl...
RE: Asses, be GLAD you didn't get hit like they're getting hit in E. LI
The storm IS as strong as predicted. It just shifted from where it hit. It would be irresponsible to "overhype" the possibility of being missed, as the change happened after everyone had a chance to prepare.
In Rochester, if we get a huge storm prediction, and it mercifully misses us, we're fucking glad of it.
That freak storm that hit Buffalo in November collapsed roof on houses and manufacturing facilities. It's fortunate the casualties weren't higher.
And everyone remembers the huge snow storm that Mayor Lindsay failed to prepare for, knocking out power and stranding millions in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan. No mayor wants to have to eat the responsibility for a major clusterfuck like that.
The last major snow storm predicted for NYC in 2006 proved to be all it was expected to be.
I AM on Eastern LI. I got over 20" and probably got hit as hard as anyone in NY.
It still wasn't a huge deal. We've had comparable snow storms over the last couple of years. There was nothing "crippling" about it. People are outside shoveling, getting their cars out, the roads are already clearing, no one is stuck inside with no way out. Barely anyone is without power. It wasn't that bad. Everything will return to normal within a day.
Very light and fluffy. I got a ton of shoveling done within an hour.. whole walk is clear, my truck is clear, I can drive out. Piece of cake. I've dealt with much heavier, much worse snow.
it let you live this time, but the next time around, you might not be so lucky with Snowmageddon.
Seriously - this is Irene and Sandy all over again. A lot of people felt Irene was overhyped (and based on the results, it was), and so they walked into Sandy with some trepidation. That's why arc is where he is on this point, and I don't disagree, I just think that the real outlets (NOAA, gov) thought this was going to be serious enough that they took real precautions to put people out of harms way and rightfully so. That a bunch of media outlets ran with it until people were whipped into a frenzy isn't preventable, unfortunately.
RE: RE: Can't get a 12 hour forecast correct but they have global warming
I don't know where on LI you are but here on the far East end the top 14" was fluffy while the bottom 8" was pretty heavy. For the first time in 15 years my street wasn't plowed. They had to send a Bobcat to clear it this morning and he worked at least 4 hours to clear a single lane on less than a mile of street. Took me 3 hrs to clear a path to the street from my back door and I still can't get to my front door because there is too much snow piled against the storm door to open it. I'll go out later and clear it from the outside.
In sum, this is the worst I've seen in 15 years and the snow hasn't stopped falling yet. Fortunately, only an inch or two more is expected.
RE: RE: RE: Can't get a 12 hour forecast correct but they have global warming
I guess missing on a huge storm in NYC is better than getting blindsided by 7 feet in Buffalo.
Weather =/= climate.
l believe in global warming but have little faith in these long term climate models. They are a lot harder to accurately predict than a short term weather event.
Considering they botched a 12 hour forecast, i'd say they have a longer way to go.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. There's just something about the way the outlets run with the "story" that rubs me the wrong way. It's like you have to pick through who's just trying to generate views and clicks with gaudy, "scary" headlines and who is giving accurate/honest reports. I realize there's always potential for error in these forecasts.
It is what it is. If there are calls for legitimately bad weather, I'm not going to roll my eyes and intentionally put myself in harms way, but.. obviously not everyone is as smart as me. So I get it.
that's going to have folks angry, but it happens sometimes. It's not a case of one model hit and another didn't, the tracks were strongly clustered, while that's usually a high confidence indicator it's not perfect. The 20"+ totals did occur, just not in all of the areas forecast. The state of the science isn't exact, myself included.
33" in a small portion of Massachusetts. 30.5" in Windham, Ct. 26" in Boston, the third largest ever. They got a lot right, just not the geographical size of the storm or the location of the Western edge.
Btw, as noted in the article, one blast of 106 mph winds hit Cape Cod Bay. Link - ( New Window )
that's going to have folks angry, but it happens sometimes. It's not a case of one model hit and another didn't, the tracks were strongly clustered, while that's usually a high confidence indicator it's not perfect. The 20"+ totals did occur, just not in all of the areas forecast. The state of the science isn't exact, myself included.
I think it's very close for a storm of this size. I'm with those in favor of preparing for the worst even if it doesn't quite happen that way.
Also, it was only in NYC that Irene was a dud (thus leading to complacency for Sandi). Irene was a total disaster for areas further north, including the Catskills area and north of that, and portions of Vermont.
it was a real bastard inland. While the miss was small it was significant, a bust of that magnitude in a major metro area is tough to stomach. It further highlights the need for improved forecasting, we can always get better. A new supercomputer is being brought online this year that will help things, but further investment in observational satellite programs is direly needed and long overdue.
if they were smart, which most of ours aren't, would be reminding people that their neighbors to the east got their asses kicked. Third largest snow total in Boston since they started keeping track ain't chickenfeed.
Btw, one other point: the projected track of really high snow totals was always very narrow. I think that is one thing they got wrong: not reminding people that a track that narrow is subject to a lot of wobble.
Hopefully the photos in the papers and on-line over the next day or so will show people that this wasn't a matter of overkill, so much as missed targeting.
One of the stories I will always remember about that storm was from the Mount Snow/Wilmington area in Vermont. There was a general store in Wilmington that had a mark about 5' high which showed the flood level from the former strongest storm in history, in 1938. Irene smashed that general store off its hinges and floated the pieces down the river.
spent over an hour shoveling my car out of the road
three of the next four nights. Only one day in the next 10 where it is supposed to break 32 degrees, briefly. It's going to suck there for quite a while. They got scrod.
I don't know where on LI you are but here on the far East end the top 14" was fluffy while the bottom 8" was pretty heavy. For the first time in 15 years my street wasn't plowed. They had to send a Bobcat to clear it this morning and he worked at least 4 hours to clear a single lane on less than a mile of street. Took me 3 hrs to clear a path to the street from my back door and I still can't get to my front door because there is too much snow piled against the storm door to open it. I'll go out later and clear it from the outside.
In sum, this is the worst I've seen in 15 years and the snow hasn't stopped falling yet. Fortunately, only an inch or two more is expected.
Bob, if you don't mind me asking, what's do you consider the 'far east end'? I've been looking at summer places on the North Fork (anything past Matittuck) and one thing I wondered was what happens out there when there's any considerable snowfall. I've asked, and seem to get differing opinions from different realtors.
RE: Boston is supposed to go down to 6 degrees or lower...
three of the next four nights. Only one day in the next 10 where it is supposed to break 32 degrees, briefly. It's going to suck there for quite a while. They got scrod.
There's actually an old joke about a guy asking a cabdriver in Boston where he can get scrod around here.
I know it's too early but meteorologists in Connecticut are already talking about another decent sized snowstorm coming this way this weekend. Any thoughts on it yet?
are talking about a high chance of 8-12" of snow and "wintry mix/ice" for Boston next Monday. Nothing significant on their 10-day forecast for NYC.
I was supposed to go to Boston the past Monday night. Now it's scheduled for Sunday night, Feb. 8th. Seeing 8-9 clients in two days, including one 30 miles north of the city.
I hope that's feasible. Sounds kinda unlikely, because they probably won't get a chance to melt like NYC usually does after a big guy.
So, what caused the storm to drop less snow along the I-95 corridor in the mid-Atlantic from Philadelphia to New York City?
According to AccuWeather.com Chief Meteorologist Elliot Abrams, "The storm was more compact than we thought it would get. As a result, the back edge of the heavy snow and strong winds were farther to the east."
Once the storm hit the Atlantic Ocean on Monday, it began to strengthen tremendously and move steadily northeastward, rather than stall. The storm also began to track a few dozen miles farther east than speculated on Sunday.
Had the storm swelled larger by 50 miles farther west, blizzard conditions would have reached New York City, and a heavy snow accumulation would have edged into the Philadelphia area.
Because of the storm's compact size, relatively speaking, the heavy wet snow was limited to extreme southeastern New England.
Far Eastern Long Island got two feet of dry powder? I doubt it.
What do you think they're going to do next time?
Exaggeration just to force the public to respond a certain way is the exact thing that is wrong with all of this. Just be as truthful as possible and let people decide on their own how seriously to take it.
You can't let people decide on their own, because then it does hit hard and you have emergency responders having to risk their lives to save these idiots.
at least the focus is off of his tenuous relationship with the police now.
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How old are you? I'm 26 and blink was one of the essential bands as I was growing up and going through adolescence. Don't really see the problem with people talking about the breakup of one of their favorite and most revered childhood bands.
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to read on Facebook, everyone bellyaching about the storm or all the losers from high school sad over Blink-182.
How old are you? I'm 26 and blink was one of the essential bands as I was growing up and going through adolescence. Don't really see the problem with people talking about the breakup of one of their favorite and most revered childhood bands.
I'm 27 going on 28 in April, don't you ever talk to your edler like that again, son. Yeah. That's what the depressing part is. Blink-182 is considered essential. What were those lyrics to that one song about fucking dogs?
Hmmm
The storm IS as strong as predicted. It just shifted from where it hit. It would be irresponsible to "overhype" the possibility of being missed, as the change happened after everyone had a chance to prepare.
In Rochester, if we get a huge storm prediction, and it mercifully misses us, we're fucking glad of it.
That freak storm that hit Buffalo in November collapsed roof on houses and manufacturing facilities. It's fortunate the casualties weren't higher.
And everyone remembers the huge snow storm that Mayor Lindsay failed to prepare for, knocking out power and stranding millions in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan. No mayor wants to have to eat the responsibility for a major clusterfuck like that.
The last major snow storm predicted for NYC in 2006 proved to be all it was expected to be.
It was the one time I appreciated the fat thug Christie yelling at people to "Get the HELL OFF THE BEACH!"
From Newsday:
The storm IS as strong as predicted. It just shifted from where it hit. It would be irresponsible to "overhype" the possibility of being missed, as the change happened after everyone had a chance to prepare.
In Rochester, if we get a huge storm prediction, and it mercifully misses us, we're fucking glad of it.
That freak storm that hit Buffalo in November collapsed roof on houses and manufacturing facilities. It's fortunate the casualties weren't higher.
And everyone remembers the huge snow storm that Mayor Lindsay failed to prepare for, knocking out power and stranding millions in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan. No mayor wants to have to eat the responsibility for a major clusterfuck like that.
The last major snow storm predicted for NYC in 2006 proved to be all it was expected to be.
I AM on Eastern LI. I got over 20" and probably got hit as hard as anyone in NY.
It still wasn't a huge deal. We've had comparable snow storms over the last couple of years. There was nothing "crippling" about it. People are outside shoveling, getting their cars out, the roads are already clearing, no one is stuck inside with no way out. Barely anyone is without power. It wasn't that bad. Everything will return to normal within a day.
Is that right? The power outage total is really surprisingly low.
Seriously - this is Irene and Sandy all over again. A lot of people felt Irene was overhyped (and based on the results, it was), and so they walked into Sandy with some trepidation. That's why arc is where he is on this point, and I don't disagree, I just think that the real outlets (NOAA, gov) thought this was going to be serious enough that they took real precautions to put people out of harms way and rightfully so. That a bunch of media outlets ran with it until people were whipped into a frenzy isn't preventable, unfortunately.
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covered lol
I guess missing on a huge storm in NYC is better than getting blindsided by 7 feet in Buffalo.
Wow. You need to go back to middle school science class.
some of you shouldn't take everything so literally as the analogy includes adament parties claiming expertise on guesswork.
In sum, this is the worst I've seen in 15 years and the snow hasn't stopped falling yet. Fortunately, only an inch or two more is expected.
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covered lol
I guess missing on a huge storm in NYC is better than getting blindsided by 7 feet in Buffalo.
Weather =/= climate.
l believe in global warming but have little faith in these long term climate models. They are a lot harder to accurately predict than a short term weather event.
Considering they botched a 12 hour forecast, i'd say they have a longer way to go.
It is what it is. If there are calls for legitimately bad weather, I'm not going to roll my eyes and intentionally put myself in harms way, but.. obviously not everyone is as smart as me. So I get it.
(Suck it, Mook)
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33" in a small portion of Massachusetts. 30.5" in Windham, Ct. 26" in Boston, the third largest ever. They got a lot right, just not the geographical size of the storm or the location of the Western edge.
Btw, as noted in the article, one blast of 106 mph winds hit Cape Cod Bay.
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I think it's very close for a storm of this size. I'm with those in favor of preparing for the worst even if it doesn't quite happen that way.
Also, it was only in NYC that Irene was a dud (thus leading to complacency for Sandi). Irene was a total disaster for areas further north, including the Catskills area and north of that, and portions of Vermont.
They just canceled school for us for a 2nd day. That's is extremely rare in MA.
I live in Worcester county, and have lived in New England most of my life and I might have seen this much snow from one storm once or twice.
Btw, one other point: the projected track of really high snow totals was always very narrow. I think that is one thing they got wrong: not reminding people that a track that narrow is subject to a lot of wobble.
Hopefully the photos in the papers and on-line over the next day or so will show people that this wasn't a matter of overkill, so much as missed targeting.
Guess i'm avoiding Boston this week. That is significant.
In sum, this is the worst I've seen in 15 years and the snow hasn't stopped falling yet. Fortunately, only an inch or two more is expected.
Bob, if you don't mind me asking, what's do you consider the 'far east end'? I've been looking at summer places on the North Fork (anything past Matittuck) and one thing I wondered was what happens out there when there's any considerable snowfall. I've asked, and seem to get differing opinions from different realtors.
There's actually an old joke about a guy asking a cabdriver in Boston where he can get scrod around here.
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Despite NYC I'm going to go on ahead and say I nailed that part head on last night.
Guess i'm avoiding Boston this week. That is significant.
MOTHER NATURE is punishing the Patriots for Deflategate
MOTHER NATURE is punishing the Patriots for Deflategate
maybe the Pats' fans but the football team flew to Arizona before the storm hit.
Thanks
I was supposed to go to Boston the past Monday night. Now it's scheduled for Sunday night, Feb. 8th. Seeing 8-9 clients in two days, including one 30 miles north of the city.
I hope that's feasible. Sounds kinda unlikely, because they probably won't get a chance to melt like NYC usually does after a big guy.