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Dunedin81 : 1/26/2015 9:22 am
Kiley McDaniel has referred to it as the deepest in baseball, and ranks it at 10th or so overall (he isn't a huge fan of rankings, which in some ways are apples to oranges). It's a very long preview and an excellent read.
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even if you don't believe in Severino  
giants#1 : 1/28/2015 4:27 pm : link
the performances of Judge, Bird, Refsnyder, Lindgren, etc should've been enough to at least maintain their ranking. And the latter 2 should contribute to the big club this year while the former 2 have an outside shot of being September call-ups. So it's not like you can use the excuse that all of their top talent is in the lower levels.
there's an outside chance Judge could mash his way to NY, too  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2015 4:31 pm : link
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RE: there's an outside chance Judge could mash his way to NY, too  
giants#1 : 1/28/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12113481 Greg from LI said:
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Definitely possible. I think Bird has a better chance though, if only because it's a virtual lock that Tex will hit the DL at some point.
Bird has a good chance...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2015 4:40 pm : link
Judge does too, but I wouldn't discount Roller, Austin or Flores as injury replacements. Austin can play OF and 1B, while Roller is a little more disposable from a 40-man standpoint because of age and ceiling. I think they'd go with either of them before Judge, who isn't on the 40-man yet, and maybe before Bird as well.
I think Roller is another Almonte in their eyes  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2015 5:27 pm : link
If he was going to get a shot, I think it would have happened already.
I think the acquisition of Garrett Jones...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2015 5:49 pm : link
tells you what you need to know about their feelings for Kyle Roller, but they did promote Pirela last year instead of Refsnyder because Pirela was an easier DFA if they needed to.
Tyler Palmer  
Phil in LA : 1/28/2015 6:14 pm : link
tested positive for amphetemines.
Kiley  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 9:52 am : link
McDaniel ranks your system 11th
He has said 10th or 11th...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 9:59 am : link
and thinks it is the deepest system in the majors. Kylie's take is not without its flaws (it is very difficult to "rank" 16 year olds alongside kids in AA/AAA) but he knows the system well from DSL up to AAA and is not nearly as stubborn in regards to his own opinions.
I really would like to get Law one on one  
Greg from LI : 1/29/2015 10:02 am : link
To ask him how he can justify dropping their ranking. Fine, he thinks Severino is going to end up a reliever - that still doesn't explain how on earth this system is worse than it was a year ago, before great seasons by Bird, Refsnyder and Judge, when Tyler Austin was coming off a horrible year, when a bunch of guys got injured.
He  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 10:06 am : link
apparently has the Mets 6th or 7th with the Yankees at 11 but moving to 5 if they sign Moncada
RE: I really would like to get Law one on one  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12114232 Greg from LI said:
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To ask him how he can justify dropping their ranking. Fine, he thinks Severino is going to end up a reliever - that still doesn't explain how on earth this system is worse than it was a year ago, before great seasons by Bird, Refsnyder and Judge, when Tyler Austin was coming off a horrible year, when a bunch of guys got injured.


I was mistaken, he actually had them ranked at 20 last year so there is no change in the rankings. But he has positive comments about them, referred to injuries as the main culprit. This year his comments are less positive and they haven't moved even though by anyone's accounting the farm was much better in 2014.
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Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 10:09 am : link
River Ave. Blues @RiverAveBlues 4m4 minutes ago
Aaron Judge (23) and #GREGBIRD (80) the only two Yanks on @keithlaw's top 100 prospects list.

He also doesn't seem to give them credit  
Phil in LA : 1/29/2015 10:16 am : link
for their IFA splurge, which did add talent to the system.
I'm fine with that part...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 10:21 am : link
his point, quite reasonably, is that it is very speculative, that the success rate of past big bonuses is such that they could end up with zero major leaguers out of that binge and it wouldn't be particularly anomalous. But the rest of it is unreasonable.
so Severino isn't even top 100, huh?  
Greg from LI : 1/29/2015 10:24 am : link
hahaha
most prospect rankings  
Phil in LA : 1/29/2015 10:25 am : link
are very speculative. He's saying that because he doesn't pay attention to IFA.
RE: most prospect rankings  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12114290 Phil in LA said:
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are very speculative. He's saying that because he doesn't pay attention to IFA.


Considering their success rate, I'm not sure that's an unreasonable position to take. Once they have a little bit of stateside success, ignoring them looks obtuse. But in the months after signing, less so.
RE: so Severino isn't even top 100, huh?  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12114288 Greg from LI said:
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hahaha


Severino's trade value is "top 100"
RE: ...  
giants#1 : 1/29/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12114251 Dunedin81 said:
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River Ave. Blues @RiverAveBlues 4m4 minutes ago
Aaron Judge (23) and #GREGBIRD (80) the only two Yanks on @keithlaw's top 100 prospects list.


He must think Refsnyder is a AAAA player. Otherwise, I would think someone who just mashed AAA for half a season and profiles as an "average" 2B, would rank as a top 100 prospect.
Law had very good things to say about Bird in chat...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 1:54 pm : link
insists that Severino doesn't use his lower body enough to be a starter.
That lower body statement  
Semipro Lineman : 1/29/2015 2:01 pm : link
makes him sound like a typical BBI draft "expert" repeating something as gospel because it sounds good and what a scout would have said.

I don't knwo Law's baseball background but the simple fact that there are exceptions to every rule makes that statement suspect
RE: Law had very good things to say about Bird in chat...  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12114688 Dunedin81 said:
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insists that Severino doesn't use his lower body enough to be a starter.


Exact same complaint he has with Molina. In fairness the "scouting community" all mention prospects who don't use it enough VERY rarely make top MLB starters. In fact the one exception brought up recently is Tyson Ross (to be clear I have never seen Severino, I'm not a scout and I'm not saying 1) he can't improve upon this 2) it's even an issue) just saying Law is pretty consistent with this stuff.
RE: That lower body statement  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12114699 Semipro Lineman said:
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makes him sound like a typical BBI draft "expert" repeating something as gospel because it sounds good and what a scout would have said.

I don't knwo Law's baseball background but the simple fact that there are exceptions to every rule makes that statement suspect


Worked in the Blue Jays FO
Severino did well the second and third times...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 2:25 pm : link
through lineups. He sustained his velocity late in games. His results were consistent across three levels. To say you have concerns (violent delivery, variable command, etc) is one thing, but to stake out such a definitive position on a prospect is stubbornness, little more. Which is Law's calling card. He is a worthwhile read, but he is exceedingly slow to change his opinions on players and those opinions are often borderline irrational.
RE: Severino did well the second and third times...  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12114731 Dunedin81 said:
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through lineups. He sustained his velocity late in games. His results were consistent across three levels. To say you have concerns (violent delivery, variable command, etc) is one thing, but to stake out such a definitive position on a prospect is stubbornness, little more. Which is Law's calling card. He is a worthwhile read, but he is exceedingly slow to change his opinions on players and those opinions are often borderline irrational.



No disagreement here. He openly ripped Syndergaard's breaking ball and said due to his "wrist dexterity" never would be able to throw a good one once the Mets traded for him and even into mid-season of 2013 (even when the results and scouting reports said it had improved greatly). Now he's his #17 prospect overall

"His curveball, about a grade-35 pitch when he was first drafted by Toronto in 2010, has advanced to be at least solid-average, showing as a 55 in most outings, playing up in particular because he can throw the pitch for strikes."
Law  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 3:58 pm : link
doubling down


blake (NC)


ok so no Severino in the top 100? Why
Klaw
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Why would he be on there?
The irony is I actually think he's overly bullish on Judge...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 4:01 pm : link
who has big power and is patient but needs to show more of an ability to control the strike zone if he's going to be more than a three-outcome type.
Law just loves to think of himself as an iconoclastic free thinker  
Greg from LI : 1/29/2015 4:04 pm : link
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He  
DanMetroMan : 1/29/2015 4:30 pm : link
said there isn't a single successful SP in baseball who uses his lower half as little as Severino and that there are "200" pitchers who are 20 and throw as hard as him.
have those 200 guys put up the stat line he just did at age 20?  
Greg from LI : 1/29/2015 4:38 pm : link
Jumping up two levels successfully as he did?
RE: He  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 4:41 pm : link
In comment 12114963 DanMetroMan said:
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said there isn't a single successful SP in baseball who uses his lower half as little as Severino and that there are "200" pitchers who are 20 and throw as hard as him.


Someone asked him about reports that he had improved on that later in the season and he basically said "I saw him 7/29 so there" as though that was the end of the conversation. He's seen him in person once or twice and he knows him well enough to say with certainty he is definitely a reliever.
Sounds  
Semipro Lineman : 1/29/2015 4:52 pm : link
like he is trolling Yankee fans.
I've been reading Law forever and  
Enzo : 1/29/2015 4:52 pm : link
he's simply a strange dude. That does not mean he's not good at his job, but IMO his various quirks sometime seem to influence his opinions. And this has nothing to do with Severino or his eval of any other yankee over the years. Just something I've noticed.
Greg  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 5:15 pm : link
Joe McCarthy is out 12 weeks for the Hoos. Unfortunate. Also thins out the class of college bats just a little bit.
Well, until the Yanks begin adding productive position players to the  
yatqb : 1/29/2015 5:18 pm : link
team again I have to be conservative about their prospects. They seem to have done a great job in these last few drafts and in this IFA period, but a lot of the fruits are still a ways off. Hoping that Judge, Bird and perhaps Refsnyder can show us something in the bigs soon so that we can begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Don't overlook the other function of prospects...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2015 5:33 pm : link
we're usually sellers and no matter what happens we will sell some of these guys too. And they've built enough value that we can get returns for some of them based on where they're at now. In a year or two we'll be in a position to fill remaining holes with some of these guys and that's very important too.
Speculation about Moncada...  
Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 9:19 am : link
that the Dodgers may balk at giving up the right to sign high-dollar IFAs for the next two years. If true that would leave the Yanks and the Red Sox as the most realistic suitors as long as he is free to sign before 6/15. Now the Sox could be a legit rival, but they have a fair amount of money invested long-term in 2B and 3B, Moncada's likely positions, and there are some whispers that Bogaerts may profile best as a 3B long term. Additionally, a significant number of their top 20 prospects have 3B or middle-IF profiles (Devers, Cecchini, Marrero, Rijo, Coyle and Chavis). Doesn't mean they wouldn't be in, but are they going to make an effective investment of $70-$80 mil?
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RE: Greg  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12115045 Dunedin81 said:
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Joe McCarthy is out 12 weeks for the Hoos. Unfortunate. Also thins out the class of college bats just a little bit.


That's a kick in the balls, isn't it? Back surgery two weeks before the season opener. I guess he's been dealing with a back problem for a while and was trying to avoid the surgery, but it got to the point that he had no other options. This is going to put a lot of pressure on Pavin Smith and Adam Haseley to produce right away as first years.
Yanks to sign Scott Baker to minor league deal per MLBTR  
Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 1:30 pm : link
Limited to just 80 IP last year, during which he gave up a whopping 15 HRs (WHIP a solid 1.190, ERA a less solid 5.47 and FIP not much better at 4.78). Pre-injury was a reasonably effective innings-eater whose ERAs were in the Low 4's but for two years in the low 3's. Low risk signing.
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Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 1:39 pm : link


Comment From GG
Have you heard from Yankees people that they will be all in on Moncada or is it more speculation at this point?




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Kiley McDaniel: It isnt speculation. Ive been reporting NYY/BOS are legitimately in on Moncada at the highest level since the beginning, then LA recently entered at that level as well, it appears.




Comment From BirdBrain
What are your feelings towards Andy Ibanez?




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Kiley McDaniel: Platonic

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Moncada just makes too much sense for them  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2015 1:50 pm : link
They're already in the penalty for IFAs after this season. They need young infield talent. They can outspend anyone.
Law's Yankee Top 10 (and the near-misses)...  
Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 10:57 am : link
outside of Severino and Refsnyder it's not really a list I disagree with, he has very positive things to say about Mateo.
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Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 10:59 am : link
Draft 2 Dynasty ‏@Draft2Dynasty 23h23 hours ago Bal Harbour, FL

Source: #Yankees 2014 2nd round pick Jacob Lindgren has been extended an big league camp invite for spring training
Maybe the rest of the ST invitees  
Phil in LA : 1/31/2015 11:53 am : link
will start leaking out.
Bumping this....  
Dunedin81 : 2/2/2015 9:36 am : link
because it is now baseball season.
Fangraph ZIPs projections for the Yankees  
Dunedin81 : 2/2/2015 10:54 am : link
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if they get that out of McCann I'll be ecstatic  
Greg from LI : 2/2/2015 11:04 am : link
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At this point I'd take a 4.35 from CC and run with it...  
Dunedin81 : 2/2/2015 12:07 pm : link
this rotation could be very good or could be terrible depending on health.
Nice article on the state of the "youth movement"  
Dunedin81 : 2/2/2015 1:49 pm : link
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