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NFT: Potential positive impact of Disney measles outbreak?

RC02XX : 1/26/2015 12:36 pm
This ongoing measles outbreak stemming from Disneyland is alarming and frustrating. However, will this incident, which is getting a lot of attention in the media have some positive effects? Washington Post did an article regarding this incident potentially pushing those on the fence to rethink their decision about delaying or skipping certain vaccines.

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Forget ‘anti-vaxxers.’ The Disney measles outbreak could change the minds of an even more crucial group.

The child was behind on her vaccinations. Wendy Sue Swanson took note of this as she talked with the girl’s parents last week at a medical clinic in Mill Creek, Wash., outside Seattle.

Swanson, like many pediatricians, sometimes needed to coax parents to get the shots for their children. A few might be unmovable in their objections. But most were like this couple: A mom and dad who might harbor doubts or were just behind schedule. They were at least willing to listen.

Now, Swanson had a new way to prod parents like them: Discussing the Disney measles outbreak in California, which has spread to at least 68 people in 11 states since Jan. 1 and raised alarms about the reemergence of a disease once considered all but vanquished. There was something powerful about the disease hitting a popular, recognizable vacation spot.

The girl got her vaccination. Her parents were on board.

“Their eagerness was different,” Swanson said later. “I think it is changing people.”

Much of the scrutiny in the Disney measles outbreak has fallen on an entrenched anti-vaccination movement in places such as Orange County, Calif., home to the two Disney theme parks where the outbreak gained its foothold. These “anti-vaxxers” are viewed as dead-set against vaccinations.

But doctors believe the current outbreak could change the minds of a less-known but even larger group: parents who remain on the fence about the shots. These “vaccine-hesitant” parents have some doubt about vaccinations, leading them to question or skip some shots, stagger their delivery or delay them beyond the recommended schedule. An estimated 5 to 11 percent of U.S. parents have skipped at least one vaccination or delayed a shot, according to studies. That compares to only 1 to 3 percent of parents who object to all vaccinations.


We've had previous discussions with regards to the anti-vaccination movement, so I know that there are many with very strong feelings about this on BBI. As a parent of two very young kids (3 year old and 3 month old), I want to punch anyone, who knowing put their kids (and invariably my kids) at risk because of their stupidity or naivety.
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RC02XX  
Bleedin Blue : 1/26/2015 12:45 pm : link
agree wholeheartedly! This is a crack in our Armour against disease's and their spread. It wasn't too long ago we were fighting polio, measles and others. I know we as citizens have rights, but to put others at risk and possibly an entire nation because "I don't want to vaccinate my child" is shear stupidity.
Jennie McCarthy...  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 12:51 pm : link
should be in prison.
Penn and Teller with my favorite argument...  
x meadowlander : 1/26/2015 12:52 pm : link
...short, sweet and to the point.


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RE: Jennie McCarthy...  
Randy in CT : 1/26/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12109931 Chris in Philly said:
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should be in prison.
She should dedicate her life to putting the same time, effort and money into reversing her previous efforts.
RE: RE: Jennie McCarthy...  
RC02XX : 1/26/2015 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12109936 Randy in CT said:
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should be in prison.

She should dedicate her life to putting the same time, effort and money into reversing her previous efforts.


Nope...she has more important priority...being on that shitty reality TV show with her New Kids On The Block husband.
The anti-vaxxers are so fucking irritating  
David in LA : 1/26/2015 1:08 pm : link
it only takes the spreading of disease to get through to them. I hope Jennie McCarthy gets polio.
A few years ago, when my kids were younger, I was in my pediatrician's  
jcn56 : 1/26/2015 1:34 pm : link
office and one woman actually said 'why should I give them the measels vaccine, who even gets measels anymore?'.
Man,  
Jon : 1/26/2015 1:35 pm : link
I was hoping it was going to be the closing of It's a Small World. Oh well, I guess this is almost as good.
RE: Man,  
RC02XX : 1/26/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12110005 Jon said:
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I was hoping it was going to be the closing of It's a Small World. Oh well, I guess this is almost as good.


Why must you hate diversity of little dolls? You're the worst...even worse than the anti-vaxxers!
RE: A few years ago, when my kids were younger, I was in my pediatrician's  
Rob in CT/NYC : 1/26/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12110002 jcn56 said:
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office and one woman actually said 'why should I give them the measels vaccine, who even gets measels anymore?'.


Your restraint in that situation was admirable....
Maybe for an encore  
Rob in CT/NYC : 1/26/2015 1:40 pm : link
these fuckwits can bring back polio? That would be cool...
It's interesting because it is equal opportunity idiocy...  
Dunedin81 : 1/26/2015 1:48 pm : link
it cuts across lines of class, education and political leanings.
RE: RE: RE: Jennie McCarthy...  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12109955 RC02XX said:
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should be in prison.

She should dedicate her life to putting the same time, effort and money into reversing her previous efforts.



Nope...she has more important priority...being on that shitty reality TV show with her New Kids On The Block husband.




"Jennie Behind Bars"

A new reality series on Cinemax that follows actress/model Jennie McCarthy through her incarceration. Viewers will get an indepth look at daily life in a women's medium security prison, including meal time, shower time, and sexy time.

50% of the proceeds of the show go to vaccine awareness.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jennie McCarthy...  
RC02XX : 1/26/2015 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12110039 Chris in Philly said:
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"Jennie Behind Bars"

A new reality series on Cinemax that follows actress/model Jennie McCarthy through her incarceration. Viewers will get an indepth look at daily life in a women's medium security prison, including meal time, shower time, and sexy time.

50% of the proceeds of the show go to vaccine awareness.


In light of how popular Orange is the New Black has been, I can totally see this taking off.
RE: Man,  
BMac : 1/26/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12110005 Jon said:
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I was hoping it was going to be the closing of It's a Small World. Oh well, I guess this is almost as good.


The world's shortest man, Chandra Bahadur Dangi, from Nepal, recently visited It's a Small World.

He was reported to have been unimpressed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jennie McCarthy...  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12110046 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12110039 Chris in Philly said:


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"Jennie Behind Bars"

A new reality series on Cinemax that follows actress/model Jennie McCarthy through her incarceration. Viewers will get an indepth look at daily life in a women's medium security prison, including meal time, shower time, and sexy time.

50% of the proceeds of the show go to vaccine awareness.



In light of how popular Orange is the New Black has been, I can totally see this taking off.


Right? Ties into the zeitgeist of the country in so many ways. This can't fail. Plus...tits!
Topical link,  
Wuphat : 1/26/2015 2:14 pm : link
Though, let's not forget Andrew Wakefield. He's the one that started this mess.
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Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
manh george : 1/26/2015 2:21 pm : link
"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.
RE: The anti-vaxxers are so fucking irritating  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/26/2015 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12109958 David in LA said:
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it only takes the spreading of disease to get through to them. I hope Jennie McCarthy gets polio.


I actually thought this as I started reading it. She and her ilk are scum. But the world is full of idiots. They get what they deserve for following the intellectual lead of a woman who literally has no other skill than to appear naked. She's so fucking annoying on every other subject as well. Lowered my opinion of Jim Carrey as anyone with his cash could have easily found someone less stupid and just as hot.
RE: Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12110080 manh george said:
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"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.


Not enough shower scenes. C'mon, MG, we need to work together here...
RE: Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
RC02XX : 1/26/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12110080 manh george said:
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"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.


But even in that area she needed assistance. So what is she really good at other than sucking?
RE: RE: Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
giants#1 : 1/26/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12110086 Chris in Philly said:
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"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.



Not enough shower scenes. C'mon, MG, we need to work together here...


I'm sure he meant to imply that all the aptitude tests were given while she was showering, often with others in the "background" too.
RE: RE: Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
giants#1 : 1/26/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12110125 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12110080 manh george said:


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"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.



But even in that area she needed assistance. So what is she really good at other than sucking?


I see what you did there...
RE: RE: RE: Actual title of Jenny's new series.  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12110133 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12110086 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 12110080 manh george said:


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"Orange is the new stupid."

It shows Jenny taking an endless round of aptitude tests, and discovering that her main skill is failing aptitude tests. And having large breasts.



Not enough shower scenes. C'mon, MG, we need to work together here...



I'm sure he meant to imply that all the aptitude tests were given while she was showering, often with others in the "background" too.


Ah. Ok.

RE: Penn and Teller with my favorite argument...  
steve in ky : 1/26/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12109934 x meadowlander said:
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...short, sweet and to the point.
Penn and Teller - Vaccinations - ( New Window )


Great display with sound argument too bad they weren't smart enough to realize that their using such bad language in the piece would result in it being passed around less therefore less people that would actually benefit from watching wont.
steve  
Wuphat : 1/26/2015 3:11 pm : link
That was from their show "Bullshit" that ran on Showtime.

I think they had a fairly good idea of who would be seeing it.
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steve in ky : 1/26/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12110168 Wuphat said:
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That was from their show "Bullshit" that ran on Showtime.

I think they had a fairly good idea of who would be seeing it.


OK, I didn't realize it was from a show. Still would have likely done more good without the f-bombs but that at least better explains it.
RE: Topical link,  
jcn56 : 1/26/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12110065 Wuphat said:
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Though, let's not forget Andrew Wakefield. He's the one that started this mess. Jenny McCarthy Body Count - ( New Window )


I actually have a very good friend, a scientist no less, who believes that Wakefield was 'coerced' into his admission and that still believes he was right.

She's got an autistic daughter, so her proximity to the issue is why I write her a pass. I have tried on several occasions to talk her out of her position though.
jcn  
steve in ky : 1/26/2015 3:29 pm : link
You have talked to Jenny McCarthy about this? Also I thought she had a son, not a daughter?
jcn  
Wuphat : 1/26/2015 3:32 pm : link
To your last post; she's not alone
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RC02XX : 1/26/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12110191 jcn56 said:
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Though, let's not forget Andrew Wakefield. He's the one that started this mess. Jenny McCarthy Body Count - ( New Window )



I actually have a very good friend, a scientist no less, who believes that Wakefield was 'coerced' into his admission and that still believes he was right.

She's got an autistic daughter, so her proximity to the issue is why I write her a pass. I have tried on several occasions to talk her out of her position though.


It must be very difficult to accept that there may not be a clear answer on what caused autism in their own child, especially when they are scientists themselves. However, to then latch onto what has been proven to be a false study by attributing sinister actions by others seems to go counter to a scientist's own ethos of being unbiased (almost to the point of being dispassionate about the outcome). But as you said, when it comes to kids, you can't really explain or fully blame the parents.
Hate to break it to you  
chiro56 : 1/26/2015 5:25 pm : link
This had zero to do with the unvaccinated .
That Penn and Teller clip is brilliant  
montanagiant : 1/26/2015 5:39 pm : link
I have always had an immense dislike for McCarthy for everything but her being nude
RE: Hate to break it to you  
santacruzom : 1/26/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12110307 chiro56 said:
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This had zero to do with the unvaccinated .


Oh?
RE: That Penn and Teller clip is brilliant  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 5:57 pm : link
In comment 12110328 montanagiant said:
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I have always had an immense dislike for McCarthy for everything but her being nude


They also have a great epsiode on chiropractors. And one on bottled water.
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montanagiant : 1/26/2015 6:03 pm : link
In comment 12110347 Chris in Philly said:
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I have always had an immense dislike for McCarthy for everything but her being nude



They also have a great epsiode on chiropractors. And one on bottled water.

I need to check out the Chiro one then, since i am on the verge of starting to use one regularly
RE: The anti-vaxxers are so fucking irritating  
Mike in Philly : 1/26/2015 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12109958 David in LA said:
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it only takes the spreading of disease to get through to them. I hope Jennie McCarthy gets polio.

She probably won't because I'm sure her parents got her vaccinated.
RE: Hate to break it to you  
RC02XX : 1/27/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12110307 chiro56 said:
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This had zero to do with the unvaccinated .


Oh really? Please tell us what was it then?
From what I've been reading it seems that  
Wuphat : 1/27/2015 9:42 am : link
5-7% of the population don't respond to the MMR vaccine. Which is, of course, why we rely on herd immunity to protect them and those who cannot, for other medical reasons, get the vaccine.

When a significant enough percentage of those who can get it and would have responded to it don't, that herd immunity is compromised to the point of outbreak.

So, yes, this has everything to do with the unvaccinated.
And the fact that the majority of those infected  
RC02XX : 1/27/2015 9:52 am : link
Were unvaccinated sort of makes this a case of unvaccinated creating a hell of a storm in the perfect condition (crowded amusement park?).

There are a number of articles on this ongoing incident, but the linked Wired.com article does a good job of what so many have been talking about with regards to the herd community concept.
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LauderdaleMatty : 1/27/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12110998 RC02XX said:
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Were unvaccinated sort of makes this a case of unvaccinated creating a hell of a storm in the perfect condition (crowded amusement park?).

There are a number of articles on this ongoing incident, but the linked Wired.com article does a good job of what so many have been talking about with regards to the herd community concept. Link - ( New Window )


Please try not to use anything resembling ration thought and facts. They aren't interested sadly.
don't forget  
giants#1 : 1/27/2015 9:57 am : link
that there are some that are too young to get the vaccine and they also happen to be the most vulnerable if they do get measles. The vaccine isn't given until age 12 months and with a place like Disneyland, it's quite likely there are a number of unvaccinated infants there with older siblings.

Holy Christ...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/27/2015 10:00 am : link
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Hate to break it to you
chiro56 : 1/26/2015 5:25 pm : link : reply
This had zero to do with the unvaccinated .


A spread almost always has SOMETHING to do with the unvaccinated since there is a pretty small liklihood that a fully vaccinated person will catch measles. we are talking about a virus that was nearly totally eradicated in developed nations here.
RE: RE: RE: That Penn and Teller clip is brilliant  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2015 10:05 am : link
In comment 12110351 montanagiant said:
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I have always had an immense dislike for McCarthy for everything but her being nude



They also have a great epsiode on chiropractors. And one on bottled water.


I need to check out the Chiro one then, since i am on the verge of starting to use one regularly


Here you go. It's about alternative medicine in general and it's in 3 parts on youtube. Here is the first one.
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RE: don't forget  
RC02XX : 1/27/2015 10:17 am : link
In comment 12111007 giants#1 said:
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that there are some that are too young to get the vaccine and they also happen to be the most vulnerable if they do get measles. The vaccine isn't given until age 12 months and with a place like Disneyland, it's quite likely there are a number of unvaccinated infants there with older siblings.


That's one of topics that have been well covered as to why vaccination is so important. Those who either are too young or have some kind of autoimmune conditions that prevents them from getting the vaccine are especially vulnerable. And those who choose not to get their kids vaccinated are putting these most vulnerable people at heighten risk...and for what? Because they are idiots following some junk (fraudulent) medical study? Or because they get their medical advice from other idiots with big tits?

Not vaccinating your kid for your own selfish and stupid reason should be grounds for child abuse charge...almost as bad as those faith healers.
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Dunedin81 : 1/27/2015 10:21 am : link
In comment 12111026 RC02XX said:
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that there are some that are too young to get the vaccine and they also happen to be the most vulnerable if they do get measles. The vaccine isn't given until age 12 months and with a place like Disneyland, it's quite likely there are a number of unvaccinated infants there with older siblings.




That's one of topics that have been well covered as to why vaccination is so important. Those who either are too young or have some kind of autoimmune conditions that prevents them from getting the vaccine are especially vulnerable. And those who choose not to get their kids vaccinated are putting these most vulnerable people at heighten risk...and for what? Because they are idiots following some junk (fraudulent) medical study? Or because they get their medical advice from other idiots with big tits?

Not vaccinating your kid for your own selfish and stupid reason should be grounds for child abuse charge...almost as bad as those faith healers.


One of my best friends has a child who is immunocompromised and can't get vaccinated, at least not yet. The highlight of her year is taking her kids to Disney World. Probalby a safe bet that isn't going to happen this year.
my favorite P&T Bullshit! episode was organic food  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2015 11:26 am : link
The blind taste tests were awesome
Thanks for the links Chris  
montanagiant : 1/27/2015 11:29 am : link
Just watched the Alternative Medicine one. The guy with the magnets mounted on the hard hit was the best
RE: my favorite P&T Bullshit! episode was organic food  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2015 11:30 am : link
In comment 12111118 Greg from LI said:
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The blind taste tests were awesome


I loved the bottled water one.
RE: my favorite P&T Bullshit! episode was organic food  
steve in ky : 1/27/2015 11:32 am : link
In comment 12111118 Greg from LI said:
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The blind taste tests were awesome


I haven't watched it, but I think the lack of use of pesticide's etc is a large motivation for purchasing organic and not necessarily because of the taste.


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