Giants players rated...

6th in yards
9th in TDs
13th in YPA
15th in QB Rating / 7th in ESPN's QBR

(and obviously 2 SB rings / MVP trophies)

a "good" player escapes me.

Like Amukamars.

because the new offensive scheme doesn't "ask him to do as much" as the old one. Doesn't make sense to me; I'd put Eli in the "good" category.

When given the chance. In a limited sample, he had an impact every time he had a chance.

In comment 12110169 Eric on Li said:

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6th in yards 9th in TDs 13th in YPA 15th in QB Rating / 7th in ESPN's QBR (and obviously 2 SB rings / MVP trophies)

Its an evaluation of his overall performance for the season, not his career. Realistically, I haven't any issue of his being categorized as "average" for 2014. JMHO.

how is Eli rated just average when he put up some good numbers with limited weapons, not so great running game, and a terrible OL?

He did more with less than many QBs would have. And if it's because of the overall record, he can't win the games by himself when this team was so deficient on offense and defense.

When he was playing in "an offense which asked him to do more" they still would have rated as average..now he puts up great numbers in the same type of offense that Rodgers, Peyton, Brees and Romo run to name a few he is avarage because the offense "doesn't ask him to do much"..

Meanwhile he also had no running game this year..

BTW he finished 7th in Total QBR..here is the top 10:

1- Tony Romo
2- Aaron Rodgers
3- Peyton Manning
4- Tom Brady
5- Ben Roethlisberger
6- Drew Brees
7- Eli Manning
8- Joe Flacco
9- Matt Ryan
10- Philip Rivers
ESPN Total QBR - ( New Window )

They had Eli around average this season, cumulatively, as they had some really weird +/- games for him this season that added up, well, weirdly. The Detroit game, for example, was only a few tenths of a point less than the St Louis game.

In general, I'm starting to think PFF's starting to losie sight of their own limitations and appropriate applications when they're involved in projects like this though. A couple years ago, they rarely treated their grades as concretely as they are here, recognizing value above or below their figures, and they wouldn't likely have taken this "You need this many of this quality players." route.

Is how the author stated the giants emphasis on the run.... when they were one of the worst rushing teams in the nfl.

Fells listed as good when he couldn't even start?
Donnell bad? His fumbles are a concern and his blocking is bad, but he was an above average receiver.
Demps as average? I wish he was that good.
Rolle is bad? Really?
I could list others, but ..
Come on!

and misapplying statistics in an effort to prove they know something about the sport.

In comment 12110286 Ivan15 said:

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and misapplying statistics in an effort to prove they know something about the sport.

So true!

By the end of next year...Eli will be in the top 10 all time in both passing yards and TD passes...he has won 2 Superbowls so far and most impressively has made 167 consecutive 3rd all time...closing in on his brother who made 208 consecutive starts...how in the world is that not elite??

In comment 12110341 geelabee said:

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By the end of next year...Eli will be in the top 10 all time in both passing yards and TD passes...he has won 2 Superbowls so far and most impressively has made 167 consecutive 3rd all time...closing in on his brother who made 208 consecutive starts...how in the world is that not elite??

It's cuz everyone else has done all of that too! Hence average! /sarcasm

In comment 12110341 geelabee said:

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By the end of next year...Eli will be in the top 10 all time in both passing yards and TD passes...he has won 2 Superbowls so far and most impressively has made 167 consecutive 3rd all time...closing in on his brother who made 208 consecutive starts...how in the world is that not elite??

The statement made was based solely on what he did last season.

In comment 12110169 Eric on Li said:

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6th in yards 9th in TDs 13th in YPA 15th in QB Rating / 7th in ESPN's QBR (and obviously 2 SB rings / MVP trophies)

Can't take it seriously if Eli isn't in the good category based on 2014.

the Giants have ever had.....but he is not an elite qb...one elite year out of 11 does not make him elite.....

In comment 12110183 Joey in VA said:

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When given the chance. In a limited sample, he had an impact every time he had a chance.

I agree. Fells played well. They should have never gone with A. Robinson in 2014. They should have kept the fullback -John Conner. He would have at least helped the running game. What the hell were they thinking???

Football analysis

In comment 12110617 mrvax said:

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In comment 12110183 Joey in VA said: Quote: When given the chance. In a limited sample, he had an impact every time he had a chance. I agree. Fells played well. They should have never gone with A. Robinson in 2014. They should have kept the fullback -John Conner. He would have at least helped the running game. What the hell were they thinking???

I agree with that.

Also would have liked more plays in the pass game toward Hynoski. Connor was a half decent receiver himself -- not too shabby running on dives, either.

In comment 12110719 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Football analysis

PFF hasn't ruined a single thing.

Regardless of their recent PR campaign, their grades are mostly subjective analysis slapped with an objective statistical façade. Most of what they do is to be used as a tool or supporting evidence, food for thought and, in some cases, a general guideline -- all of which can have value. Some teams even do subscribe to them, but (again, regardless of the recent PR spin quotes from guys who have a vested interest in their success) it's largely because of how quickly they turn around participation data and how detailed/specific they can get in that area if asked to.

It's not on them that people are stupid and may take everything and anything put out there as concrete and black/white certainty. No one has to drink it all up and turn into a Stepford football fan. People have the free will to realize that a grading system that gives Eli's performance against the Lions a +1.2 and his performance against the Rams a +1.8 or has Randle (56% catch rate, -9.4% DVOA) as the 16th highest graded receiver of 2014 has plenty of flaws to account for if you choose to utilize it somehow.

In comment 12110597 Doomster said:

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the Giants have ever had.....but he is not an elite qb...one elite year out of 11 does not make him elite.....

But he also is not just an average QB either

In comment 12110185 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12110169 Eric on Li said: Quote: 6th in yards 9th in TDs 13th in YPA 15th in QB Rating / 7th in ESPN's QBR (and obviously 2 SB rings / MVP trophies) Its an evaluation of his overall performance for the season, not his career. Realistically, I haven't any issue of his being categorized as "average" for 2014. JMHO.

Because you're an idiot?

In comment 12110597 Doomster said:

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the Giants have ever had.....but he is not an elite qb...one elite year out of 11 does not make him elite.....

Yes he is elite sorry to disappoint you..

Randle makes Eli look better?

That right there is enough horseshit to negate the analysis.

Eli has 1 elite and 2 good targets, yet he's average?

Geez.

I wonder if andy dalton is elite?

When I saw Fells is Good but Prince is Average. LMAO

that many of these complicated, new fangled metrics and statistical ratings are worth pigeon shit.

Eli and Demps in the average category together when neither one belongs anywhere near it for very, very different reasons.

Someone...call 911...years of stupid analy...think I'm...anuerism...

lol...maybe their talking about the Randle that showed up for the last couple of games.

and Eli being average for not being asked to do too much is as much horseshit as Eli being average because his old system was too complex. Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.