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NFT: Opinions wanted: Minding your own business

j_rud : 1/26/2015 6:24 pm
So here's the story: in recent weeks a relatively new neighbor has reached out and gotten to know the neighborhood and his neighbors better. This has been met with mixed results. Now he apparently hasn't told everyone these things but he's bragged to several people, myself included, about committing welfare fraud.

He boasts about collecting a disability check yet works off the books as a laborer/contractor. He also has another part time, under the table gig. In addition he receivers SNAP benefits (food stamps) and just today informed me that he has been approved for subsidized housing, meaning he'll only need to pay roughly $180 a month to rent his house; the State will be covering the rest.

Now, I was raised to mind my own business and I stick to that. Lord knows I've seen the disastrous results of not doing so. On the other hand there's a part of me that's incredibly pissed off. I'm a social worker by trade and this guy is precisely what is wrong with the system. People like this have a lot to do with the general publics attitude, perception, and frustrations with the system. It also drives me crazy on a personal level. My wife and I put ourselves through college and will be paying for it until we're in our 50s. We, like so many others, do things the right way, work hard and strive for everything we have. And while there is pride in that it still drives me nuts to see this guy just take and take and take.

A few of my neighbors have approached me, stating they wanted to report him and asking my advice on how to do so because of my knowledge of the system. I flat out told them no and that I wanted no part of it but I'd be lying if I said part of me didn't want to.

Just curious to see what people here think, I have a feeling this can be a good discussion if people can stay away from politics.

Thoughts?



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do whatever lets you sleep at night  
markky : 1/26/2015 6:26 pm : link
you have to live with yourself for a long time.

i don't know which is the right thing for you. but you do.
Why bother?  
GeneInCal : 1/26/2015 6:28 pm : link
It's encouraged.
I'd snitch  
jlukes : 1/26/2015 6:29 pm : link
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What would you do  
Fast Eddie : 1/26/2015 6:32 pm : link
If you caught a neighbor burglarizing your house or stealing your car? He is stealing from you and all of us. I wouldnt think twice
Tough question  
Mike from Ohio : 1/26/2015 6:33 pm : link
No real 'right' answer. You need to ask yourself which one you would feel better living with - seeing him all the time knowing he is likely gaming the system, or reporting him and likely getting involved up to your neck in righting the perceived wrong.

Whichever way you go, best of luck to you.
If I suspected someone of cheating I would certanly mind my own B  
steve in ky : 1/26/2015 6:33 pm : link
And as you I was raised to mind our own business, but if the guy is brazen enough to brag about it I would sure consider reporting him. Can't say I would, but I would sure consider it.
Just out of curiosity  
BlackLight : 1/26/2015 6:34 pm : link
What does "not" minding your own business look like, in this scenario? Were you thinking of confronting the guy? Is there a way to report him in such a way that you see results from it?

Obviously, if you could do something about this guy's fraud, then the most likely reason you wouldn't would be the open knowledge of being "that guy." Is that a practical concern? If not, then I see nothing wrong with taking steps to report to whatever authority would care. It doesn't sound like you have much in the way of proof, other than the guy's bragging - but that isn't really your problem.
RE: What would you do  
TJ : 1/26/2015 6:35 pm : link
In comment 12110379 Fast Eddie said:
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If you caught a neighbor burglarizing your house or stealing your car? He is stealing from you and all of us. I wouldnt think twice


^^
this
so cleverly staying in poverty to game systems  
Nitro : 1/26/2015 6:36 pm : link
fuck this guy - if you know how to go after him, do it.
j_rud  
BobOnLI : 1/26/2015 6:37 pm : link
You could suggest to neighbors what office they should direct a complaint to. Myself, I would stay completely out of it and trust that eventually the system catches up to him. It isn't a great way to have to live anyway.
I'd have no qualms with reporting him  
WeatherMan : 1/26/2015 6:37 pm : link
Societal leeches are scum, the social safety net exists for people who actually need help and jerks like him give rise to those who would rather cut it completely.
Whatever you do...  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2015 6:39 pm : link
make sure your name stays out of it. It's bad enough your other neighbors already pinned it on you. You must have access to people who could, ah, correct this idiot's perception of the law.
I'd be beyond interested  
Stufftherun : 1/26/2015 6:43 pm : link
to know what the penalty would be and whether reporting someone like this miscreant would be met with a bureaucratic apathy.

Scum! Scum! Scum! Go back to where ya from!
Help your neighbors  
natefit : 1/26/2015 6:43 pm : link
report him but leave no trail if you prefer to stay out of it. Letting it go will drive you crazy.
I am also a social workee  
JerryNYG : 1/26/2015 6:50 pm : link
and my advice is to report him to your local Welfare Fraud unit. In my district they take welfare fraud very seriously and it leads to criminal prosecution on a regular basis. People who cheat the system are literally stealing from the tax payers and are also taking valuable and scarce resources from children, the elderly, the infirm, etc. Fuck that guy. If you tell the investigator to keep your name out of it they will.
Typo!  
JerryNYG : 1/26/2015 6:51 pm : link
I am a social workER not social workEE. That would be one of the clients, I suppose.
Make sure he earns those disability checks  
David in LA : 1/26/2015 6:55 pm : link
if you catch my drift.
Are you suggesting that he and his  
steve in ky : 1/26/2015 7:02 pm : link
neighbors go all vigilante on him for gaming the system? OK Paul Kersey that's the answer.
It's the  
ctc in ftmyers : 1/26/2015 7:07 pm : link
American way. leave him alone.:)

Seriously

What ever makes you sleep at night. You know how to make sure your name is not involved. Guy sounds like a dirtbag. He's bragging like wants to get caught.

He's unbelievably stupid for letting....  
Phlegm : 1/26/2015 7:16 pm : link
everyone in on his little secret.
What would you do if he told you he was robbing a bank once a month to make ends meet?
Personally I'd have absolutely no qualms about dropping a dime on this asswipe simply for being a blithering idiot.
Shovel at 2:00am  
JohnF : 1/26/2015 7:17 pm : link
That will teach him. If you can't sleep, nobody sleeps!
RE: Shovel at 2:00am  
steve in ky : 1/26/2015 7:21 pm : link
In comment 12110461 JohnF said:
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That will teach him. If you can't sleep, nobody sleeps!


LOL
MYOB  
fkap : 1/26/2015 7:27 pm : link
applies to things where you have no business interfering. reporting serious breaking of the law is civic responsibility. Now, I'm not going to pretend I practice what I preach. I'm typically too apathetic, but that's different than staying out of it because of some "bro's before ho's" sort of ethic.

If you feel that this is a serious breaking of the law, and it bugs you, you should report it, especially if you can do it anonymously.

What was your reaction when he told you? With strangers, I typically have smaller muscles than behind a keyboard (being 5'2, and 140 lbs tends to turn one into a keep your mouth shut kind of guy), but the more I know a person, the more likely I am to speak my mind.
Does he have a wife and kids?  
Marty in Albany : 1/26/2015 7:28 pm : link
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Let your neighbors report him  
montanagiant : 1/26/2015 7:35 pm : link
You stay out of it
Doesnt your profession  
old man : 1/26/2015 7:41 pm : link
have a code to drop a dime on dishonesty?

If he's bragging he won't know who did it, even if he thinks it is you; deny and poopoo it off.



If he's doing it to pull your chain, UI will just let it go.
You can make the call anonymous in most states.

By the way, UI is a federal program, therefore federal crime.
sorry  
old man : 1/26/2015 7:47 pm : link
I forgot it was disability.
If a SSI collection he can make a certain $$$ each month working, weird as that is; if its a TDI, that's a different matter.
RE: Does he have a wife and kids?  
Chef : 1/26/2015 7:56 pm : link
In comment 12110477 Marty in Albany said:
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Who gives a shit.. he is a shit stain.. and they would still collect similar benefits if he was outed and placed in jail...
fuck him  
spike : 1/26/2015 7:56 pm : link
you are paying taxes to support his welfare fraud. Have the government make him repay it all back. The money can be used toward better causes
RE: I am also a social workee  
Gman11 : 1/26/2015 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12110406 JerryNYG said:
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and my advice is to report him to your local Welfare Fraud unit. In my district they take welfare fraud very seriously and it leads to criminal prosecution on a regular basis. People who cheat the system are literally stealing from the tax payers and are also taking valuable and scarce resources from children, the elderly, the infirm, etc. Fuck that guy. If you tell the investigator to keep your name out of it they will.


This. Nail the motherfucker.
Did anyone actually just  
Daniel in MI : 1/26/2015 8:03 pm : link
Start by telling him what he's doing isn't cool, but actually stealing from everyone? And especially from people that really need it?

And he made it others' business by bragging publicly...I don't get to both brag about something illegal I do then say it's not your business. If it wasn't your business I should stfu.
RE: Why bother?  
BMac : 1/26/2015 8:06 pm : link
In comment 12110372 GeneInCal said:
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It's encouraged.


Asshole
Turn him in  
buford : 1/26/2015 8:23 pm : link
just for being stupid and arrogant to brag about it.
Mind your own business  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/26/2015 8:25 pm : link
As you said,"A few of my neighbors have approached me," so let them do the deed. Life is too short to worry about what other the idiots in your neighborhood are involved in.
j_rud  
mrvax : 1/26/2015 8:37 pm : link
This guy could be pulling your chain. Most frauds want to keep this stuff a secret. There are a few people (I've met a few) that want to impress you with their knowledge on how to rip off the system.

If you are certain that he's ripping off taxpayers, contact a co-worker and have him/her look into it. Stay clear yourself.

Sounds like the guy's an asshole either way, IMO.
There are ways to anonymously  
EricJ : 1/26/2015 8:44 pm : link
report this. Like someone else said earlier...he is essentially taking money from others who need it. The problem is that there are a million people out there just like him. If you dont report him, then you can assume that nobody is reporting their guilty neighbors either.

Just ask yourself this...
Where do you draw the line as to what crime you would report? This is a felony isn't it?
If your goal is to have a clear conscience over this, then  
Mark C : 1/26/2015 9:01 pm : link
I'd suggest that ratting him out might not be the best strategy. The better way, albeit not the easiest one, is to confront the guy, tell him he should be ashamed of himself, and then let go of it. Believe in the law of Karma. It's not your place to make sure somebody pays for their transgressions, and if you're really all that verklempt over the taxpayer being robbed then I'd suggest you start with the wall street banker as opposed to the welfare cheat. Just live the right way yourself, and if you want, hope that you live long enough to see that guy get what's coming to him.
I wonder if there are any manditory reporting issues here  
MBavaro : 1/26/2015 9:09 pm : link
if you work in the system he is gaming. As a teacher, I'm legally obligating to report any suspicion of child abuse, whether it's one of my students or not. And by report, I don't mean call the police directly. There are channels to go through that will investigate to make sure there is something happening. Might there be something like this in your case?
When I lived in PA, once upon a time,  
Berrylish : 1/26/2015 9:12 pm : link
There were TONS of people doing exactly this. And they drove mercedes and lexus' etc. Had no teeth.... but they didn't care. Meanwhile I was working two jobs and changing my own oil and doing my own brakes because I didn't have the extra money to spend. Most of these people worked under the table doing something. It really sucked to struggle the way I was, and they certainly were not. Completely working the system.
RE: When I lived in PA, once upon a time,  
spike : 1/26/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12110635 Berrylish said:
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There were TONS of people doing exactly this. And they drove mercedes and lexus' etc. Had no teeth.... but they didn't care. Meanwhile I was working two jobs and changing my own oil and doing my own brakes because I didn't have the extra money to spend. Most of these people worked under the table doing something. It really sucked to struggle the way I was, and they certainly were not. Completely working the system.


That seems to be the NEW AMerican Dream, by scamming the system
People like this are a blight on society...  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/26/2015 9:27 pm : link
...and they are fucking us directly by increasing the defecit and raising our insurance rates.

So, yeah, rat him out. Plus, you might get some sort of bounty payment, so win win.
Report his ass  
Dave in Buffalo : 1/26/2015 9:41 pm : link
There's nothing noble in looking the other way.
Wow. I mean, seriously ... some people actually think MYOB  
baadbill : 1/26/2015 10:02 pm : link
applies here? All I can say to that is you people have zero fucking character. None at all. I mean, holy fucking shit.
I'd report him  
jcn56 : 1/26/2015 10:08 pm : link
about 5 minutes after I told every last neighbor that asked 'well, that isn't my style, I just mind my own business'.

Report him, just make sure it doesn't get back to you.
RE: Just out of curiosity  
j_rud : 1/26/2015 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12110382 BlackLight said:
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Obviously, if you could do something about this guy's fraud, then the most likely reason you wouldn't would be the open knowledge of being "that guy." Is that a practical concern? If not, then I see nothing wrong with taking steps to report to whatever authority would care. It doesn't sound like you have much in the way of proof, other than the guy's bragging - but that isn't really your problem.


First off I have absolutely no concerns about being "that guy". If i do something it's because I think it's the right thing to do, and its a situation where I don't particularly concern myself with others opinions.

Second, you could've asked if I have proof before assuming I didn't. Several neighbors see him get picked up in a work van daily at 9. I've seen him get dropped off by said van on multiple occasions. And I don't know anyone who would brag about padding their income with a part time job.

The fraud he's commiting is a felony. If someone reports him he could do up to 3 years in prison and would probably be ordered to pay restitution on the fraudulently received disability checks and would be barred from most welfare programs.
J Rud  
jjgmrg901 : 1/26/2015 10:15 pm : link
This is such a difficult situation for you. You have received some good suggestions and a number of questionable ones. I can only tell you what I have done and not what you should do. It's my belief that when I put my head on my pillow I ask if I have done what I'm supposed to. I am not the judge of others actions nor am I the accuser. I only can take care of my side of the street. I am also a strong believer in what goes around comes around and that everyone gets their due. It may not occur in my time or when I think it should but it will. Hope this helps.
FWIW, since the sites connection to NY state via the Giants  
j_rud : 1/26/2015 10:16 pm : link
He's a lifelong Brooklynite who has several times told me NY is a lot "better" for benefits, easier to get stuff.
If you are going to report it  
montanagiant : 1/26/2015 10:38 pm : link
I'm sure its something you can report via online that keeps you anonymous
snitch  
ImThatGuy : 1/26/2015 10:39 pm : link
for sure.

If he has kids/family I might feel a little bad about it, but assuming he's able bodied and fan do construction then he should be able to find a way
RE: Does he have a wife and kids?  
j_rud : 1/26/2015 10:43 pm : link
In comment 12110477 Marty in Albany said:
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Nope, single guy in his late 40s Marty. Collecting a full time check, part time check, disability check, food stamps, and soon Uncle Sam will be paying about 75% of his rent.

Must be nice
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