Belichick referred to as a jerk for the way he handles the media at times, you haven't been paying attention.
Perhaps he has (not JUST because of his not answering media questions though)... but can't recall too many times when 'immature', 'juvenile' and calls for fines have been thrown out at him.
Belichick referred to as a jerk for the way he handles the media at times, you haven't been paying attention.
If you had to answer the same idiotic questions day after day for 15 years, you'd probably come across as a jerk too.
The NFL probably requires these interviews precisely for responses like Lynch's (or Sherman's). They know 90% of the players are going to give PC, by-the-book responses to the questions. It's the other 10% of the responses that creates the headlines and builds the hype though, which is what they're really after.
oh, I agree it is juvenile. I just dont understand why a fan would want him to get fined over this. The penalties for non-compliance with rules that dont effect the game are just so far removed from what I care about.
But Im also a guy who isnt 100% comfortable with the league suspensions for guys like Rice and Peterson (and the boot Donald Sterling got). In the end I can support it because the NFL is an entertainment business, but Im not completely behind it. Sterling was an easier call to me.
I'm reading this right? Sterling was an easier call for you over Ray Rice beating the shit out of his wife on tape?
The only juvenile thing here is the NFL's requirement of players to do these awful appearances. With feeling: Lynch is a football player, nothing more. He owes the media nothing.
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
The only juvenile thing here is the NFL's requirement of players to do these awful appearances. With feeling: Lynch is a football player, nothing more. He owes the media nothing.
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
Funny how some here can't tell the difference between Sherman speaking his mind (which is fine within reason) and someone who refuses to talk to the media and will be fined for it. Doing this is part of your NFL job.
Tut, tut Terps. You're being juvenile and immature. Just ask the classy gentlemen here who project themselves onto these athletes, and imagine how they'd dazzle the media with their wit, charm and colorful berets, if given the opportunity.
He is one of best humans you could ever meet. He seriously goes out of his way to help people better themselves and pull themselves out of tough situations. He is a quiet guy that doesn't like doing the interviews. He has said I don't want to do interviews and they keep forcing him to do it. It is really kind of messed up. Why is the NFL so concerned about what Marshawn has to say. There are millions of other players that are looking to have a camera stuck in their face. He isn't one that likes to have that. He is such a good person and seriously extremely funny when you get to talk to him. He came from a hard town and hard times. He pulled himself out of that with his family behind him. He was raised that nothing good comes from talking to the media and he is right. He is not a meat head, he is not so asshole, he isn't any of that. He is a quiet guy that doesn't want to be forced into doing something he doesn't want to do.
The only juvenile thing here is the NFL's requirement of players to do these awful appearances. With feeling: Lynch is a football player, nothing more. He owes the media nothing.
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
He absolutely owes the media nothing. Does he owe his employers (team/league) anything for those millions? The teams realize that media attention is a driver of popularity and revenue. they decided its in the best interest of the league/team to have the players available to the media to help drive this popularity. Right or wrong, its not without reason and its a condition of employment. I don't know about you, but I've often had to suck it up and do things I disagreed with because my employer required it. Once I progressed past childhood I realized that I couldn't only do things I liked or agreed with. I might refuse and be prepared to pay the penalty, but I never engaged in a childish charade to voice my displeasure
Tut, tut Terps. You're being juvenile and immature. Just ask the classy gentlemen here who project themselves onto these athletes, and imagine how they'd dazzle the media with their wit, charm and colorful berets, if given the opportunity.
Dazzle the media? No. Man up and do my job, yes. And no, Terps is not being juvenile, he's voicing his opinion as many others here are.
Whether he owes the fans or media anything is irrelevant
It is in his contract to do these interviews. A contract I am pretty sure he signed. Since it is unlikely anyone forced him to sign it, he willingly agreed to the terms. If he is going to cash the checks, he needs to fulfill his obligations in the agreement too. You don't get to sign the contract and then ignore the clauses you don't like.
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
and people are still bitching that he's got a responsibility to the fans. DUH - if fans of a team 3000 miles away from him can generate two pages of comments, I think he's doing his share for the fans.
If the league didn't think this was great theatre, they wouldn't keep trotting him out in front of the media to go into his schtick. There are plenty of people (especially on that team) who will talk the media's ear off. They bring him out because his non-answers sell better than most people's answers.
The NFL is like sports talk radio. It's okay if you piss them off, as long as they keep tuning in.
and people are still bitching that he's got a responsibility to the fans. DUH - if fans of a team 3000 miles away from him can generate two pages of comments, I think he's doing his share for the fans.
If the league didn't think this was great theatre, they wouldn't keep trotting him out in front of the media to go into his schtick. There are plenty of people (especially on that team) who will talk the media's ear off. They bring him out because his non-answers sell better than most people's answers.
The NFL is like sports talk radio. It's okay if you piss them off, as long as they keep tuning in.
Bingo. That's exactly what this is about to the NFL offices. Not Lynch "owing" the media or fans anything. More theatre = more $$
RE: Whether he owes the fans or media anything is irrelevant
It is in his contract to do these interviews. A contract I am pretty sure he signed. Since it is unlikely anyone forced him to sign it, he willingly agreed to the terms. If he is going to cash the checks, he needs to fulfill his obligations in the agreement too. You don't get to sign the contract and then ignore the clauses you don't like.
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
he doesn't get paid extra to do interviews. In his mind he is paid to play football. He doesn't read through his contract, his agent does. He knows it is written that he be available for interviews, but he doesn't want to do them and has expressed so. He has paid out so much to prove as much. Now you want to still force him to be in front of the mic fine. 4.5 mins of I'm here so I won't get fined. Stop forcing him to do it. What could he possible say that would make everyone go Ohhhh thank goodness we asked Marshawn Lynch if he thought he could run against NE. He said he feels his OL can open wholes for him to run thru. Just stupid they feel the need to force this and I don't blame him for doing what he is doing.
Why do people care so much about these irrelevant nonstories? Especially enough to call the guy an asshole when they don't even know the guy. Seems strange.
I'm reading this right? Sterling was an easier call for you over Ray Rice beating the shit out of his wife on tape?
Yes, though it's fair to raise one's eyebrows at it. In Sterling's case, his partners did not want to be partner with his anymore. But Sterling was never going to be out him money -- either his wife or the league would have sold that team and gotten him his buyout.
With Rice and Peterson, the league just declared that these guys couldnt play anymore and couldnt get paid. Crucially, it's a monopolistic league -- there is not other pro football league in the US. And I heard that the CFL would honor those contracts/suspensions too. A strong argument can be made for letting the market decide this -- if a team wants to sign him, so be it. No one was going to touch Rice. But to me, it's tough to deny someone any opportunity to earn at their profession for off the field stuff. Then you start to have line drawing issues; how come Ray Rice and not the 10s/100s of wife beaters before him (answer: video)? Why is a DUI not as bad as what AP did -- it is more dangerous. etc. How about emotional abuse? Are we going to suspend very, very shitty fathers?
Ultimately I come out okay with what each of those leagues did, but only because (1) lines do need to be drawn, and (2) I view the NFL and NBA as entertainment businesses and not as some high-minded sporting ideal. Rice and AP were going to cost their bosses big money in terms of lost revenue. Sterling was costing his partners money. You work at Wendys and you constantly ruin inventory, you're getting fired; you get paid a lot more in the NFL and commit crimes that cost your bosses millions, you should expect to not work there anymore.
True, some fans are probably offended by Lynch's antics. But most don't care. When he barely spoke to the press during last year's media day, inspiring one writer to say fans see him as "a pampered brat," a SportsNation poll found that 87 percent of respondents didn't object to Lynch's behavior. A few weeks ago, ESPN reporter Darren Rovell asked his followers if Lynch should be obliged to provide the media with "meaningful answers." More than 1,000 people responded, and 83 percent of them said no. Seattle Seahawks GM John Schneider, the guy who issues Lynch's paychecks, recently told reporters he isn't bothered by his employee's attitude. "I kind of love his act," he said.
Lynch has gone the early day Patrick Ewing one better. He is either very painfully shy or sick. He is in need of some professional counseling. I'd guess he can afford it.
There is an obvious double-standard in the NFL when it comes to the owners and the players. Lynch is just commenting on that with his canned answer. In fact I think what he is doing is pretty funny. Like putting up a sign that says on it "Do Not Read This Sign"
Somehow, somewhere, in his stupid little mind, there's a voice saying
some class and leave Lynch alone. There are plenty of players willing to talk and leverage the media for their own brand.
But at this point, they know what Lynch is going to do, and there is nothing truly newsworthy. But they demonstrate they like to agitate and become part of the story. Showing their true colors, really...
There is an obvious double-standard in the NFL when it comes to the owners and the players. Lynch is just commenting on that with his canned answer. In fact I think what he is doing is pretty funny. Like putting up a sign that says on it "Do Not Read This Sign"
Double standard? You mean like the players sign a contract that says they have to be available and the owners don't?
There is an obvious double-standard in the NFL when it comes to the owners and the players. Lynch is just commenting on that with his canned answer. In fact I think what he is doing is pretty funny. Like putting up a sign that says on it "Do Not Read This Sign"
1- Give me 1 business, just 1 company, anywhere in the world where there isnt a difference between the owner and the employees.
2- Even if those are his intentions, how did you make that connection?
The NFL's media obligations are bullshit, but Lynch met them today by appearing. If the NFL doesn't like what he had to say, they can prepare a script and mandate that he read from it.
If the NFL doesn't like it, then suspend Lynch. Otherwise, shut the fuck up about it. Lynch doesn't owe these halfassed networks a bunch of quotes for their awful stories. ESPN hasn't been good enough to generate quality content for years now...if they need a generic quote to do their jobs, that's on them.
Good for Lynch. Hopefully other players follow his lead and the media are actually forced to put out decent content for a change.
RE: The media, and I know this thought is laughable, should show...
some class and leave Lynch alone. There are plenty of players willing to talk and leverage the media for their own brand.
But at this point, they know what Lynch is going to do, and there is nothing truly newsworthy. But they demonstrate they like to agitate and become part of the story. Showing their true colors, really...
He is one of best humans you could ever meet. He seriously goes out of his way to help people better themselves and pull themselves out of tough situations. He is a quiet guy that doesn't like doing the interviews. He has said I don't want to do interviews and they keep forcing him to do it. It is really kind of messed up. Why is the NFL so concerned about what Marshawn has to say. There are millions of other players that are looking to have a camera stuck in their face. He isn't one that likes to have that. He is such a good person and seriously extremely funny when you get to talk to him. He came from a hard town and hard times. He pulled himself out of that with his family behind him. He was raised that nothing good comes from talking to the media and he is right. He is not a meat head, he is not so asshole, he isn't any of that. He is a quiet guy that doesn't want to be forced into doing something he doesn't want to do.
The same lynch from buffalo right?
This one right?
Best Human ever?
In June 2008, he pleaded guilty to a traffic violation and admitted to driving off after striking a female pedestrian with his car near Buffalo's downtown bar district.
In March 2009, Lynch pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles, after police discovered a semiautomatic handgun in a backpack of the trunk of a parked car Lynch was sitting in
RE: RE: Whether he owes the fans or media anything is irrelevant
It is in his contract to do these interviews. A contract I am pretty sure he signed. Since it is unlikely anyone forced him to sign it, he willingly agreed to the terms. If he is going to cash the checks, he needs to fulfill his obligations in the agreement too. You don't get to sign the contract and then ignore the clauses you don't like.
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
he doesn't get paid extra to do interviews. In his mind he is paid to play football. He doesn't read through his contract, his agent does. He knows it is written that he be available for interviews, but he doesn't want to do them and has expressed so. He has paid out so much to prove as much. Now you want to still force him to be in front of the mic fine. 4.5 mins of I'm here so I won't get fined. Stop forcing him to do it. What could he possible say that would make everyone go Ohhhh thank goodness we asked Marshawn Lynch if he thought he could run against NE. He said he feels his OL can open wholes for him to run thru. Just stupid they feel the need to force this and I don't blame him for doing what he is doing.
He doesn't have to get paid "extra" - it's part of his contract. And if he signs the contract, he needs to live up to it. How he views what he gets paid for is also totally irrelevant.
Whether you think the media interviews add anything or not also doesn't matter. He put his name on a contract that obligated him to fulfill certain obligations for payment. He was fined for not fulfilling that, so he showed up to meet the letter of the law if not the spirit of it. How that gets addressed is between employee and employer.
But as to whether he needs to do the interviews or not, it's pretty clear he does.
RE: RE: RE: Whether he owes the fans or media anything is irrelevant
He put his name on a contract that obligated him to fulfill certain obligations for payment. He was fined for not fulfilling that, so he showed up to meet the letter of the law if not the spirit of it. How that gets addressed is between employee and employer.
But as to whether he needs to do the interviews or not, it's pretty clear he does.
And if the Seahawks or the NFL decide to sue him for breach of contract, they can open that "spirit of the rules" can of worms.
Something tells me Seattle's ownership wouldn't be in favor of anything like that.
Boneman, you have to admit, though, that when grabbing his junk seems to be his special TD celebration, maybe it's hard to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.
Ultimately, as said above, he's a meathead.
Moon - I'm right there with ya regarding him grabbing his junk. He's shown that maturity isn't his strong suit with many of his actions throughout his career.... including this one.
That said, I really don't get the anger this brings out in people. The man doesn't like talking to the media because he feels he's been betrayed by them in the past. I can respect that. I also don't agree with his method of how he's handling interviews but at the same time I also can sympathize with WHY he's handling the interviews the way he is.
When Belichick doesn't feel like talking and gets into an interview and repeatedly answers every question 'We're moving on to *insert next opponent here*.' I don't recall seeing or hearing anyone refer to him as a jerk, immature or whatever. I've seen many athletes do the same thing that Belichick has done and yet when they do it it's 'immaturity' but when Belichick does it it's 'genius'.
This is fair. When TC blows the media off in NY, I kind of appreciate it because it's just a dumb game, and they are not really good at actual football reporting.
It's just hard to separate the act from your understanding of the guy doing the act. I frankly trust TC and even BB more (the latter less so).
In my first post I said "He's being a juvenile asshole". I generally avoid calling anyone an asshole, especially someone I don't know, and I did not here. More clearly that should have been worded "He's acting like a juvenile asshole". Both statements are essentially the same, but "acting like" is a clearer statement that I'm referring to the actions, not to him personally. And again, that's just my personal opinion, and my wife tells me I'm not always right.
RE: RE: You guys know zero about Marshawn Lynch...
He is one of best humans you could ever meet. He seriously goes out of his way to help people better themselves and pull themselves out of tough situations. He is a quiet guy that doesn't like doing the interviews. He has said I don't want to do interviews and they keep forcing him to do it. It is really kind of messed up. Why is the NFL so concerned about what Marshawn has to say. There are millions of other players that are looking to have a camera stuck in their face. He isn't one that likes to have that. He is such a good person and seriously extremely funny when you get to talk to him. He came from a hard town and hard times. He pulled himself out of that with his family behind him. He was raised that nothing good comes from talking to the media and he is right. He is not a meat head, he is not so asshole, he isn't any of that. He is a quiet guy that doesn't want to be forced into doing something he doesn't want to do.
The same lynch from buffalo right?
This one right?
Best Human ever?
In June 2008, he pleaded guilty to a traffic violation and admitted to driving off after striking a female pedestrian with his car near Buffalo's downtown bar district.
In March 2009, Lynch pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles, after police discovered a semiautomatic handgun in a backpack of the trunk of a parked car Lynch was sitting in
Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
he was going to skip the media day and the NFL heard they jacked the fine up to $500,000 ... Tell me that is right. Tell me that is ok to do. They want him there so he can do this and get attention for the NFL. Gives them something to talk about during their biggest week. Just stupid to me.
RE: RE: RE: You guys know zero about Marshawn Lynch...
Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
Why even entertain those that obviously don't like Lynch (or his antics)? I will say I didn't know about his off the field work, good stuff.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys know zero about Marshawn Lynch...
Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
Why even entertain those that obviously don't like Lynch (or his antics)? I will say I didn't know about his off the field work, good stuff.
Just upsets me because he is such a good guy. He makes mistakes, but his heart is gold. When you see a kid he helps that feels like they have no future and now they are striving it is amazing. Before anyone talks about what kind of asshole or meathead he is... Maybe they should look at how much they give back to their community and help others. Not saying anyone here gives less, but if you do give as much time and money as him you are hardly an asshole.
But, Big but, it IS part of his job description to talk to the media. The team, I.E the coach, should have taken care of this insubordinate behavior a long time ago.
Imagine the local police chief, required as part of his job to talk to the media, standing up in front of a national TV audience and repeatedly answered every question "I'm here so I won't get fired."
But, Big but, it IS part of his job description to talk to the media. The team, I.E the coach, should have taken care of this insubordinate behavior a long time ago.
Imagine the local police chief, required as part of his job to talk to the media, standing up in front of a national TV audience and repeatedly answered every question "I'm here so I won't get fired."
Not comparable. A RB isn't a cop.
What's the complaint anyway? Lynch showed up and fulfilled his media obligations according to the contract between the NFL and NFLPA.
Perhaps he has (not JUST because of his not answering media questions though)... but can't recall too many times when 'immature', 'juvenile' and calls for fines have been thrown out at him.
If you had to answer the same idiotic questions day after day for 15 years, you'd probably come across as a jerk too.
The NFL probably requires these interviews precisely for responses like Lynch's (or Sherman's). They know 90% of the players are going to give PC, by-the-book responses to the questions. It's the other 10% of the responses that creates the headlines and builds the hype though, which is what they're really after.
"We're on to [fill in the blank of a team city]..." over and over is totally not the same thing.
just checking.
But Im also a guy who isnt 100% comfortable with the league suspensions for guys like Rice and Peterson (and the boot Donald Sterling got). In the end I can support it because the NFL is an entertainment business, but Im not completely behind it. Sterling was an easier call to me.
I'm reading this right? Sterling was an easier call for you over Ray Rice beating the shit out of his wife on tape?
"We're on to [fill in the blank of a team city]..." over and over is totally not the same thing.
just checking.
And it isn't because....
He's not answering the media's questions either... which what I thought this was about?
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
It's part of the job.
He does play a children's game for a living
Fucking duh?
Tut, tut Terps. You're being juvenile and immature. Just ask the classy gentlemen here who project themselves onto these athletes, and imagine how they'd dazzle the media with their wit, charm and colorful berets, if given the opportunity.
Good for him for pulling the curtain back on this bullshit.
He absolutely owes the media nothing. Does he owe his employers (team/league) anything for those millions? The teams realize that media attention is a driver of popularity and revenue. they decided its in the best interest of the league/team to have the players available to the media to help drive this popularity. Right or wrong, its not without reason and its a condition of employment. I don't know about you, but I've often had to suck it up and do things I disagreed with because my employer required it. Once I progressed past childhood I realized that I couldn't only do things I liked or agreed with. I might refuse and be prepared to pay the penalty, but I never engaged in a childish charade to voice my displeasure
Random typical question ....
Response, "I'm here so I won't get fined"
Question, "So Beastmode, Why are we here? I mean why are any of us here on this planet we call earth?"
Response, "I'm here so I won't get fined"
Question, "Would you get fined if you weren't here?"
Response, "I'm here so I won't get fined"
Question (said really fast), "Dipstick says I'm here so I won't get fined"
Response, "Thanks for asking"
You know, have fun with it a little.
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
'What if I paid your fine?'
"Can you answer with anything other than 'I'm here so I won't get fined'?"
"Are you sure that this performance won't get you fined?"
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Fantastic.
Tut, tut Terps. You're being juvenile and immature. Just ask the classy gentlemen here who project themselves onto these athletes, and imagine how they'd dazzle the media with their wit, charm and colorful berets, if given the opportunity.
Dazzle the media? No. Man up and do my job, yes. And no, Terps is not being juvenile, he's voicing his opinion as many others here are.
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
If the league didn't think this was great theatre, they wouldn't keep trotting him out in front of the media to go into his schtick. There are plenty of people (especially on that team) who will talk the media's ear off. They bring him out because his non-answers sell better than most people's answers.
The NFL is like sports talk radio. It's okay if you piss them off, as long as they keep tuning in.
If the league didn't think this was great theatre, they wouldn't keep trotting him out in front of the media to go into his schtick. There are plenty of people (especially on that team) who will talk the media's ear off. They bring him out because his non-answers sell better than most people's answers.
The NFL is like sports talk radio. It's okay if you piss them off, as long as they keep tuning in.
Bingo. That's exactly what this is about to the NFL offices. Not Lynch "owing" the media or fans anything. More theatre = more $$
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
he doesn't get paid extra to do interviews. In his mind he is paid to play football. He doesn't read through his contract, his agent does. He knows it is written that he be available for interviews, but he doesn't want to do them and has expressed so. He has paid out so much to prove as much. Now you want to still force him to be in front of the mic fine. 4.5 mins of I'm here so I won't get fined. Stop forcing him to do it. What could he possible say that would make everyone go Ohhhh thank goodness we asked Marshawn Lynch if he thought he could run against NE. He said he feels his OL can open wholes for him to run thru. Just stupid they feel the need to force this and I don't blame him for doing what he is doing.
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answering
"We're on to [fill in the blank of a team city]..." over and over is totally not the same thing.
just checking.
And it isn't because....
He's not answering the media's questions either... which what I thought this was about?
yes, but who's making a fuss about the latter? no one last i checked...
I'm reading this right? Sterling was an easier call for you over Ray Rice beating the shit out of his wife on tape?
Yes, though it's fair to raise one's eyebrows at it. In Sterling's case, his partners did not want to be partner with his anymore. But Sterling was never going to be out him money -- either his wife or the league would have sold that team and gotten him his buyout.
With Rice and Peterson, the league just declared that these guys couldnt play anymore and couldnt get paid. Crucially, it's a monopolistic league -- there is not other pro football league in the US. And I heard that the CFL would honor those contracts/suspensions too. A strong argument can be made for letting the market decide this -- if a team wants to sign him, so be it. No one was going to touch Rice. But to me, it's tough to deny someone any opportunity to earn at their profession for off the field stuff. Then you start to have line drawing issues; how come Ray Rice and not the 10s/100s of wife beaters before him (answer: video)? Why is a DUI not as bad as what AP did -- it is more dangerous. etc. How about emotional abuse? Are we going to suspend very, very shitty fathers?
Ultimately I come out okay with what each of those leagues did, but only because (1) lines do need to be drawn, and (2) I view the NFL and NBA as entertainment businesses and not as some high-minded sporting ideal. Rice and AP were going to cost their bosses big money in terms of lost revenue. Sterling was costing his partners money. You work at Wendys and you constantly ruin inventory, you're getting fired; you get paid a lot more in the NFL and commit crimes that cost your bosses millions, you should expect to not work there anymore.
Ignoring the media has made Lynch the NFL's most popular running back - ( New Window )
Give the boy some Skittles
But at this point, they know what Lynch is going to do, and there is nothing truly newsworthy. But they demonstrate they like to agitate and become part of the story. Showing their true colors, really...
Double standard? You mean like the players sign a contract that says they have to be available and the owners don't?
1- Give me 1 business, just 1 company, anywhere in the world where there isnt a difference between the owner and the employees.
2- Even if those are his intentions, how did you make that connection?
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"We're on to [fill in the blank of a team city]..." over and over is totally not the same thing.
just checking.
And it isn't because....
He's not answering the media's questions either... which what I thought this was about?
yes, but who's making a fuss about the latter? no one last i checked...
If by 'latter' you mean Belichick, that's kind of my point.
The NFL's media obligations are bullshit, but Lynch met them today by appearing. If the NFL doesn't like what he had to say, they can prepare a script and mandate that he read from it.
If the NFL doesn't like it, then suspend Lynch. Otherwise, shut the fuck up about it. Lynch doesn't owe these halfassed networks a bunch of quotes for their awful stories. ESPN hasn't been good enough to generate quality content for years now...if they need a generic quote to do their jobs, that's on them.
Good for Lynch. Hopefully other players follow his lead and the media are actually forced to put out decent content for a change.
But at this point, they know what Lynch is going to do, and there is nothing truly newsworthy. But they demonstrate they like to agitate and become part of the story. Showing their true colors, really...
Agree.
The same lynch from buffalo right?
This one right?
Best Human ever?
In June 2008, he pleaded guilty to a traffic violation and admitted to driving off after striking a female pedestrian with his car near Buffalo's downtown bar district.
In March 2009, Lynch pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles, after police discovered a semiautomatic handgun in a backpack of the trunk of a parked car Lynch was sitting in
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It is in his contract to do these interviews. A contract I am pretty sure he signed. Since it is unlikely anyone forced him to sign it, he willingly agreed to the terms. If he is going to cash the checks, he needs to fulfill his obligations in the agreement too. You don't get to sign the contract and then ignore the clauses you don't like.
His appearance complied with the letter of the contract, if not the spirit. IMO it was juvenile, but I'm also pretty sure Lynch doesn't care what any of us think, nor should he.
he doesn't get paid extra to do interviews. In his mind he is paid to play football. He doesn't read through his contract, his agent does. He knows it is written that he be available for interviews, but he doesn't want to do them and has expressed so. He has paid out so much to prove as much. Now you want to still force him to be in front of the mic fine. 4.5 mins of I'm here so I won't get fined. Stop forcing him to do it. What could he possible say that would make everyone go Ohhhh thank goodness we asked Marshawn Lynch if he thought he could run against NE. He said he feels his OL can open wholes for him to run thru. Just stupid they feel the need to force this and I don't blame him for doing what he is doing.
He doesn't have to get paid "extra" - it's part of his contract. And if he signs the contract, he needs to live up to it. How he views what he gets paid for is also totally irrelevant.
Whether you think the media interviews add anything or not also doesn't matter. He put his name on a contract that obligated him to fulfill certain obligations for payment. He was fined for not fulfilling that, so he showed up to meet the letter of the law if not the spirit of it. How that gets addressed is between employee and employer.
But as to whether he needs to do the interviews or not, it's pretty clear he does.
But as to whether he needs to do the interviews or not, it's pretty clear he does.
And if the Seahawks or the NFL decide to sue him for breach of contract, they can open that "spirit of the rules" can of worms.
Something tells me Seattle's ownership wouldn't be in favor of anything like that.
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that'll show em.
Boneman, you have to admit, though, that when grabbing his junk seems to be his special TD celebration, maybe it's hard to give a guy the benefit of the doubt.
Ultimately, as said above, he's a meathead.
Moon - I'm right there with ya regarding him grabbing his junk. He's shown that maturity isn't his strong suit with many of his actions throughout his career.... including this one.
That said, I really don't get the anger this brings out in people. The man doesn't like talking to the media because he feels he's been betrayed by them in the past. I can respect that. I also don't agree with his method of how he's handling interviews but at the same time I also can sympathize with WHY he's handling the interviews the way he is.
When Belichick doesn't feel like talking and gets into an interview and repeatedly answers every question 'We're moving on to *insert next opponent here*.' I don't recall seeing or hearing anyone refer to him as a jerk, immature or whatever. I've seen many athletes do the same thing that Belichick has done and yet when they do it it's 'immaturity' but when Belichick does it it's 'genius'.
This is fair. When TC blows the media off in NY, I kind of appreciate it because it's just a dumb game, and they are not really good at actual football reporting.
It's just hard to separate the act from your understanding of the guy doing the act. I frankly trust TC and even BB more (the latter less so).
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He is one of best humans you could ever meet. He seriously goes out of his way to help people better themselves and pull themselves out of tough situations. He is a quiet guy that doesn't like doing the interviews. He has said I don't want to do interviews and they keep forcing him to do it. It is really kind of messed up. Why is the NFL so concerned about what Marshawn has to say. There are millions of other players that are looking to have a camera stuck in their face. He isn't one that likes to have that. He is such a good person and seriously extremely funny when you get to talk to him. He came from a hard town and hard times. He pulled himself out of that with his family behind him. He was raised that nothing good comes from talking to the media and he is right. He is not a meat head, he is not so asshole, he isn't any of that. He is a quiet guy that doesn't want to be forced into doing something he doesn't want to do.
The same lynch from buffalo right?
This one right?
Best Human ever?
In June 2008, he pleaded guilty to a traffic violation and admitted to driving off after striking a female pedestrian with his car near Buffalo's downtown bar district.
In March 2009, Lynch pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles, after police discovered a semiautomatic handgun in a backpack of the trunk of a parked car Lynch was sitting in
Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
Why even entertain those that obviously don't like Lynch (or his antics)? I will say I didn't know about his off the field work, good stuff.
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Oh sorry you thought I meant perfect. No in that hit and run case he said he didn't know he hit her. It was raining and he made a plea deal to avoid charges. The drunk lady was dancing in the streets in the rain and I am sure the case was super solid.
Misdemeanor gun charge of a gun in a back pack in the trunk of a car he was riding in. He plead guilty to avoid charges.
Great examples to bring up. How about this... Lynch is also known for his frequent community involvement. In 2013 he was featured in Red Bull's campaign "Athletes Give Back" when he put together a very successful food drive for his home town.
How about the fact he started and gives back to his Fam First Foundation. He works to help kids in that are in and raised in bad areas. He gives so much of his time to go and help people. He gives back so much to his community that he was raised in. Oakland isn't the easiest and I noticed you didn't put anything up about him being shot at during a drive by because they thought he was someone else. That is where he is from. Has he made mistakes yes, but does that make him a bad person? No it doesn't. He would give you his shirt of his back if you needed it. He found a wallet and tracked the guy down and gave it back to him. He could of had a huge Heisman campaign at Cal and he said he won't take pictures unless the other 2 RBs he played with (one being Justin Forsett from Balt.) were in the pic as they were just as good as him. He is so unselfish it is crazy. He is a great teammate and everyone loved him because he would rather talk about how good you were than how good he was. In the NFL with all the egos that is amazing. He still goes to Cal and the first thing he tells kids is they need to really focus on school and get a good education. That do what it takes to make their lives and family situations better. You don't know him though just some report that you probably didn't even read.
Why even entertain those that obviously don't like Lynch (or his antics)? I will say I didn't know about his off the field work, good stuff.
Just upsets me because he is such a good guy. He makes mistakes, but his heart is gold. When you see a kid he helps that feels like they have no future and now they are striving it is amazing. Before anyone talks about what kind of asshole or meathead he is... Maybe they should look at how much they give back to their community and help others. Not saying anyone here gives less, but if you do give as much time and money as him you are hardly an asshole.
And the drunk driving charge?
Buffalo gave him away for a 4th because he was nothing but trouble.
Imagine the local police chief, required as part of his job to talk to the media, standing up in front of a national TV audience and repeatedly answered every question "I'm here so I won't get fired."
Imagine the local police chief, required as part of his job to talk to the media, standing up in front of a national TV audience and repeatedly answered every question "I'm here so I won't get fired."
Not comparable. A RB isn't a cop.
What's the complaint anyway? Lynch showed up and fulfilled his media obligations according to the contract between the NFL and NFLPA.