New Walter football mock

to me and I think Flowers is underrated he's huge and can move.

but outside of that I'm all for it.

Would likely need the WR or TE in FA though.

...optimistic draft. Not at all realistic, however. More of the same from Walter Football.

#9 is a little high for Flowers, but wouldn't hate it. No problem with Thompson in the second. Just don't think he lasts that long. I also think we'll get a DT sometime in the first three rounds.

whereFlowers should be considered that high in the draft. If Reese starts reaching in the first round as well. We are really in trouble.

the Miami kids will out-perform their draft slot.

At 3. Hope that works out.

And could probably add an additional mid to late 2nd rounder on top of all this...if they trade down to 15-20

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love Duke Johnson ..even if we have to take him in the 2nd .He is the type of RB that would put this offense over the top

More garbage.

Williams and Johnson.
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Undersized for line, maybe too small for linebacker. But he'd be an intriguing prospect at strong safety. He looks like a guy who can do a lot of things but doesn't fit the conventional mold.

an OL and 2 D FAs that start, that draft is like Christmas morning.

In comment 12111909 81_Great_Dane said:

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Undersized for line, maybe too small for linebacker. But he'd be an intriguing prospect at strong safety. He looks like a guy who can do a lot of things but doesn't fit the conventional mold.

Considering our pursuit of O'Brien Schofield, I wonder if we might be a little more open to unconventional personnel. Not necessarily at 9, but he has a lot of talent.

Make it happen

In comment 12111836 BigBlueCane said:

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the Miami kids will out-perform their draft slot.

What else would you say?

is the worst coach in College Football. He's gonna have more draft picks off this team then FSU will and those kids will outperform their Nole counterparts and his stupid ass can't sniff the ACC title game.

OT Peat
WR Strong
RB Johnson

And then spend the rest of the draft on defense

In comment 12112182 jlukes said:

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OT Peat WR Strong RB Johnson And then spend the rest of the draft on defense

Would love that but am leaning to Lockett over Strong. Lockett is another DeSean Jackson, a little less quick but even better route runner coming out with better hands and tough as nails.

In comment 12111834 TMS said:

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whereFlowers should be considered that high in the draft. If Reese starts reaching in the first round as well. We are really in trouble.

How do you know what a reach is when we haven't even gotten to pro days and the combine?

In comment 12112257 David in LA said:

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In comment 12111834 TMS said: Quote: whereFlowers should be considered that high in the draft. If Reese starts reaching in the first round as well. We are really in trouble. How do you know what a reach is when we haven't even gotten to pro days and the combine?

Answer: You don't.

Some recent perspective:OBJ was considered a reach at 12 this time last year.

Rang says he has trouble with fast, smaller DEs getting by him on the inside. Really? Anyway, can he play G?

of what players they feel belong in the top 15. Then we can pick that apart and likely comment early on our pick.

Then lets see who we actually get.

But how does a RB like that fit into the Mcadoo offense. I can only compare it to green bay and they never have anyone like that.

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Rd 1 Pick 9: Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
Rd 2 Pick 8: A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina
Rd 3 Pick 10: Mario Edwards, DE, Florida State
Rd 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame
Rd 5 Pick 8: Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern
Rd 6 Pick 10: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.)
Rd 7 Pick 9: Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville
Rd 7 Pick 27: Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga

In comment 12112329 theold5j said:

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But how does a RB like that fit into the Mcadoo offense. I can only compare it to green bay and they never have anyone like that.

MacAdoo seems like the type who can incorporate any legit weapon if need be. We threw alot to our backs too last year.

Don't see Jerry going here third round though as we may pick someone up via FA and he has only went RB once before the fourth round in ten+ years.

In comment 12112339 Boatie Warrant said:

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Rd 1 Pick 9: Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford Rd 2 Pick 8: A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina Rd 3 Pick 10: Mario Edwards, DE, Florida State Rd 4 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame Rd 5 Pick 8: Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern Rd 6 Pick 10: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) Rd 7 Pick 9: Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville Rd 7 Pick 27: Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga

Love the beef in the first two rounds but don't see that happening unless we totally skip adding a lineman in FA (and even then a bit dubious). I think we can finally get that blue-goose potential LT that has alluded us at 9 but round 2 as well?

Also I can pretty much guarantee you Dorsett doesn't sniff round 4. He's getting much love, the NFL loves speed burners, and he has it in spades.

+1

Method is ''BPA from within a positional / and type pool'':

1. (DT/OL) (no DE here this year please, unless I am missinformed)
2. (Same Pool Minus the position drawn above, unless you lack value at it, then repeat, )
3. (DE/DT however, this can be the big DE or the DT that plays DE in a 3/4 or all a rounder, such as the Edwards suggestion above or others)
4. (Free safety or a college corner who projects to free safety)
5. (FS/TE/OL/LB)
6. (RB/TE/LB)
7. (RB/TE only if not drawn yet)

notes on type;

LB no more tweener LB/Sam/DEs....
TEs; prefer they can also block'
RB running backs who can do pass protection and catch passes, may lack top end speed, no shrimos
DTs that are large and move: no little ones -

In comment 12111946 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12111909 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: Undersized for line, maybe too small for linebacker. But he'd be an intriguing prospect at strong safety. He looks like a guy who can do a lot of things but doesn't fit the conventional mold. Considering our pursuit of O'Brien Schofield, I wonder if we might be a little more open to unconventional personnel. Not necessarily at 9, but he has a lot of talent.

If you are looking at our pursuit of Schofield that would lead me more towards Vic Beasley than Shaq Thompson

In comment 12112578 idiotsavant said:

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Method is ''BPA from within a positional / and type pool'': 1. (DT/OL) (no DE here this year please, unless I am missinformed) 2. (Same Pool Minus the position drawn above, unless you lack value at it, then repeat, ) 3. (DE/DT however, this can be the big DE or the DT that plays DE in a 3/4 or all a rounder, such as the Edwards suggestion above or others) 4. (Free safety or a college corner who projects to free safety) 5. (FS/TE/OL/LB) 6. (RB/TE/LB) 7. (RB/TE only if not drawn yet) notes on type; LB no more tweener LB/Sam/DEs.... TEs; prefer they can also block' RB running backs who can do pass protection and catch passes, may lack top end speed, no shrimos DTs that are large and move: no little ones -

We have too many needs to be looking at specific positions in the early rounds. I do think we need to get at least one OL in the first three rounds and personally if Peat and Collins are off the board at 9 I am not sure if Scherff is all that different than what we could get in Round 2 and the drop at other positions would be much greater. Beyond that I think we really need to keep to BPA

to walk out of the draft with a RB. I could definitely get behind duke. I also like ameer Abdullah a lot.

e.g. DE, LT, WR, or CB ...

UFA will be used first to address needs, and then the draft beginning with 3rd round. This is how it almost always is with NYG.

have too many needs to pick at #9. The smart move is to trade out of #9 and get an extra 2nd and 5th. They need an OT, G, RB and SS. Pats do it almost every year.

is an amazing player...and it's pick 9 now so, there may be another

However- the logic against a broader BPA at 9 this year is as follows:

Last years draft seems to have been fairly weak positional target wise - after the first round -

and as a result of not taking the big OL in 1, although we all love the player, leaving a semi-unbalanced, even weak structurally, team supporting an all star cast of two (eli and ODB), which did not win much at all.

Perhaps the way out of this quandry is a trade down in rd 1..or even into rd 2.

In comment 12112602 Jon in NYC said:

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to walk out of the draft with a RB. I could definitely get behind duke. I also like ameer Abdullah a lot.

Ameer Abdullah reminds me a bit of Gio Bernard, but I am not sure he can be a primary RB in the NFL. Also concerns about his blocking. An underrated RB later in the draft is David Cobb of Minnesota

Agree with you on Shaq lacking a defined positional projection. Further, NYG is very unlikely to deploy a WILL in a traditional mold under Spags. More likely it's an edge rusher type WILL who plays downhill with a Big Nickel behind him.

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UFA is.

Before you bring up the words "urgent" and "need" with draft talk, remember UFA is first.

In comment 12112615 blapre74 said:

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have too many needs to pick at #9. The smart move is to trade out of #9 and get an extra 2nd and 5th. They need an OT, G, RB and SS. Pats do it almost every year.

To get an extra 2nd and 5th this year with the way the talent is stacking up is going to require trading down further than what the charts say you should to get a 2nd and 5th and the teams we would be trading down with would be having picks late in both rounds

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Method is ''BPA from within a positional / and type pool'':

1. Mine-(DT/OL) (no DE here this year please, unless I am misinformed)
Giants actual Pick - (OT)

2. Mine- (Same Pool Minus the position drawn above, unless you lack value at it, then repeat, )

Giants Actual Pick (OG)

3. Mine - (DE/DT however, this can be the big DE or the DT that plays DE in a 3/4 or all a rounder, such as the Edwards suggestion above or others)

Giants Actual Pick (DE or LB..not a tweener)

4. Mine (Free safety or a college corner who projects to free safety)

Giants actual pick (TE, skipping a future hall of fame FS)

5. Mine (FS/TE/OL/LB)

Giants Actual Pick (Center/Guard Prospect)

6. Mine (RB/TE/LB)

Giants Actual Pick (RB...they are learning!)

7. Mine (RB/TE only if not drawn yet)
Giants Actual Pick (OL)

your pt is well taken, but it's been written this is a red chip draft, one might as well try to move down. I'm sure the Jint's braintrust knows more than I do, but it seems to make no sense to sit at #9 and take a lineman, who may need time to develop. My idea is to trade down to say, 16, and pick up an extra few picks, then they are golden :) the window for eli manning is closing soon.

In comment 12112678 blapre74 said:

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your pt is well taken, but it's been written this is a red chip draft, one might as well try to move down. I'm sure the Jint's braintrust knows more than I do, but it seems to make no sense to sit at #9 and take a lineman, who may need time to develop. My idea is to trade down to say, 16, and pick up an extra few picks, then they are golden :) the window for eli manning is closing soon.

The problem is unless someone is sitting there at #9 who we cannot use but should not have fallen to #9 we are unlikely to be getting much more than an extra 3rd to trade down to 16 with the draft as level as it is and I do not want to trade down for the sake of trading down if we are not maximizing the value of the picks

but perhaps some team (houston) needs a qb and would be willing to pay the price. NE Pats do it every year.

In comment 12112604 JonC said:

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e.g. DE, LT, WR, or CB ... UFA will be used first to address needs, and then the draft beginning with 3rd round. This is how it almost always is with NYG.

Don't forget potential 3 tech DT in round 2 or 3

which more or less adheres to the Front office draft philosophy:

Round 1: Cooper (not likely available)/Peat/Collins/Shelton(if determined to be a potential top pass rush DT)/Kevin White

Round 2: Carl Davis/Clive Walford/Maxx Williams/Jalen Strong/ Phillip Dorsett/ Owamagbe(closely resembles Giant prototype at DE)/AJ Cann/ Flowers (not likely)/ Perryman

Round 3: Lockett(one of best route runners in draft and speed)/Crowder(toughest cover in Senior Bowl)/ Paul Dawson/Ameer Abdulla/David Johnson/Michael Bennett

Round 4: Lyndon Trail/Nick Boyle/ Stephone Anthony

then OT. OG if not. Though OG,s don't usually go one.Truth?Have no clue.The Miami OT sounds good though.