The 4th and 16 conversion.. on the Pats final drive still annoys me.
Tough crowd in here!
I admit to getting annoyed that Hostetler didn't get the 1st down on the last drive against the Bills in XXV. Or that Allegre missed the extra point that would've given us 40 against Denver not to mention that garbage time TD we gave up. 40-13 sounds so much better than 39-20. LOL..sort of a "first wold problem" I guess.
But after watching it over and over again last time I watched I realized that it's the camera angle that made it look closer than it really was. Gronk had no chance at it
How close was it to being good, really? Because, in real time, from the moment it leaves his feet, it wasn't going in. Had he kicked it perfectly straight, it would've hit the upright. But then they always show the slow motion of the kick from under the crossbar, and the ball looks like it practically kisses the upright on its way by.
on the 4th and 1 in SB XLII is a huge play that doesn't get enough comment / credit. If Jacobs doesn't make a successful second effort, no Tyree catch, no "Manning lobs it ...".
Holy shit. I still get queasy looking at that play. Kinda like wide right in that sense, even though it shouldn't have been from a statistical standpoint.
I'll take a Super Bowl victory any way I can get it...
But that GREAT last drive by the Giants was weakened in terms of drama by the butt-first TD - plus had the Patriots scored at the end - the TD really would have come back to haunt them instead of just kneeling there.
Still, it has to be a kick in the balls to Belichick and Brady to lose to Coughlin and Manning like that again.
That is why I want NE to win this SB. Forever, it will be TC and the Giants that haunt Tom's and Bill's dreams.
I agree with you, to this day I still feel like he is going to catch that ball. In fact, I contend that a healthy Gronk would have caught that pass.
That's nuts. Gronk's health had nothing to do with him not catching that pass. He was too far away from it to catch it, healthy or not. It wasn't that close to being caught no matter how nervous it made us
Made you hold your breath. From that angle, you couldn't tell whether or not Gronk made the catch until you saw the ball bouncing away... in what seemed like an eternity.
Afterwards you saw it from another angle and you could see that Gronk was a yard and a half or so away from making the play.
assuming you beat the long odds and actually get there..
Fans forget how difficult it is to win the ultimate prize. So many things can and often do go wrong en route..Latest example? Green Bay..Seattle, if they go on to win it all, will look back(or should) at how EASILY they could have been gone from this..Cherish EVERY SB and stop the damn complaining! :)
the fake holding call which Wilfolk admitted was a flop right before half. Bjack had a 10 yard run, we were dominating with a VERY good chance to go up 17-0 at half. That superbowl was great, but should have been alot less stressful than it was.
What's crazy is that we were able to successfully execute a
Hail Mary just three weeks prior against the Packers. And to me, that seemed like even a longer shot to be successful than the one that Patriots attempted in the Super Bowl.
And I hated the deep pass to Moss in Super Bowl 42 the way the safety was trailing Moss. If it wasn't for Webster, that could have been a TD (but at least close enough for a FG).
You do have to say that both games were nail biters to the end...and isn't that what makes football so great?
But after watching it over and over again last time I watched I realized that it's the camera angle that made it look closer than it really was. Gronk had no chance at it
I'll take a Super Bowl victory any way I can get it...
But that GREAT last drive by the Giants was weakened in terms of drama by the butt-first TD - plus had the Patriots scored at the end - the TD really would have come back to haunt them instead of just kneeling there.
Still, it has to be a kick in the balls to Belichick and Brady to lose to Coughlin and Manning like that again.
That is why I want NE to win this SB. Forever, it will be TC and the Giants that haunt Tom's and Bill's dreams.
This is precisely why I want NE to lose - and remain at 3 SB victories. This way, they'll know if they could've taken at least one of those two, they'd be tied with us.
Can we bring up the multitude of NYG injuries from the 2011 season?
Brady had the ball at the end of both Super Bowl losses to NYG and both times the NYG defense stopped him. Wanna bet against Eli in that same same spot? It would have been tough but bet against Eli there at your own peril.
Great, gronk was not 100% healthy
djm : 9:53 am : link : reply
Can we bring up the multitude of NYG injuries from the 2011 season?
Brady had the ball at the end of both Super Bowl losses to NYG and both times the NYG defense stopped him. Wanna bet against Eli in that same same spot? It would have been tough but bet against Eli there at your own peril.
Was it the defense, or the lack of time on the clock?
One player i always despised was Danny Ware, and that season it seemed he only came in for one play. Shotgun, Draw. Which I named the DJ Draw.....anyways Coughlin calls for the 2pt conversion after Bradshaw's go aheaad TD...sure enough Theres the Shotgun, and DJ Ware lined up in the backfield. I knew it was coming, everyone knew it was coming.......this is only relevant to me bc of the SB Box I had. I was sitting on Giants 2 and Pats 7......if only he kicked that extra point........Fucking Danny Ware
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment about Steve Smith's catch and run on 3rd and 11. His performance in that game was remarkable, particularly for a rookie who missed so much time early in the season. He recovered the fumble when Bradshaw batted the ball forward. We end up with the penalty and eventually a punt but that was better than a turnover. He batted the ball out of bounds on a pass that Tyree tried to make just before the 3rd and 11 catch. Had he recovered the ball and the refs ruled it a catch/fumble, the clock runs out and the game is over because we had no time outs. IMO he showed he had a very high football IQ in addition to innate talent. His jersey remains the only one I've ever purchased. A shame his injury cut his career so short.
when seeing the replay of the missed hail mary at the end of XLVI, the Norwood missed field goal to end XXV, and the last minute tip away by Webster at the end of XLII. All of them still make my blood pressure go up and a big smile across my face whenever I see or remember them.
However, it is that last one, the two tipped away deep passes to Moss at the end of XLII that scared me the most at the time because I was at that game in the stands behind the endzone that the play was going towards. Especially the first one. The longest 35 Seconds of my life. Seeing Brady get blasted by Alford, then the missed pass to Stallworth were reassuring, but when that next play happened, I nearly shit myself. Brady rolls out untouched and heaves it, I look down to see where he's throwing and there's Moss all alone. I'm like SHIT!!! But at the last minute Webster and Wilson catch up because the pass isn't long enough and they tip it away. What a sigh of relief was heard from my end of the stadium. I needed the paddles to restart my heart. The next heave wasn't as close because Webster & Wilson had Moss blanketed. One of the most awesomely intense moments of my life. I will cherish it always.
It wasn't gonna be easy but Brady had 40 seconds I believe at the end of 42 and only needed a fg. What did he do? He didn't complete a single pass. He went deep over and over again and took a crushing sack from Alford. Maybe another QB makes Alford miss there? Maybe not. Maybe another QB hits welker underneath 2-3 times and gets to the 50 with 6 seconds left, then has a shot at getting into fg range.
The ending of 46 he had even more time. And again, admittedly with the aid of a drop or two, he failed. The best he could muster was one amazing 4th down completion.
Eli didn't take the crushing sack with minutes left in either Super Bowl. He found a way.
It wasn't gonna be easy but Brady had 40 seconds I believe at the end of 42 and only needed a fg. What did he do? He didn't complete a single pass. He went deep over and over again and took a crushing sack from Alford. Maybe another QB makes Alford miss there? Maybe not. Maybe another QB hits welker underneath 2-3 times and gets to the 50 with 6 seconds left, then has a shot at getting into fg range.
The ending of 46 he had even more time. And again, admittedly with the aid of a drop or two, he failed. The best he could muster was one amazing 4th down completion.
Eli didn't take the crushing sack with minutes left in either Super Bowl. He found a way.
I believe he went underneath to Welker (incomplete) first, sacked on 2nd, and then deep to moss twice.
It's not like you said, he went deep time and time again.
by the time he went deep the first time it was 3rd and 10 with no timeouts (they used their last after the sack) and 80+ yards to go.
I believe he went underneath to Welker (incomplete) first, sacked on 2nd, and then deep to moss twice.
It's not like you said, he went deep time and time again.
by the time he went deep the first time it was 3rd and 10 with no timeouts (they used their last after the sack) and 80+ yards to go.
Yep. The Alford sack gives folks a false perspective when it comes to that drive. Brady had just taken a three-step drop and was stepping up to throw when Alford blasted him. The drive might have looked very different if he had gotten that pass off and not had to use the Pats' last timeout.
Giants got fucked over on that phantom hold. We deserved that miss
Tough crowd in here!
I admit to getting annoyed that Hostetler didn't get the 1st down on the last drive against the Bills in XXV. Or that Allegre missed the extra point that would've given us 40 against Denver not to mention that garbage time TD we gave up. 40-13 sounds so much better than 39-20. LOL..sort of a "first wold problem" I guess.
every four years..
play the AFC East...
Tom on the hot seat..
yup...
have the NFL right where we want them..
I miss the Jacobs and Bradshaw backfield.
But that GREAT last drive by the Giants was weakened in terms of drama by the butt-first TD - plus had the Patriots scored at the end - the TD really would have come back to haunt them instead of just kneeling there.
Still, it has to be a kick in the balls to Belichick and Brady to lose to Coughlin and Manning like that again.
That is why I want NE to win this SB. Forever, it will be TC and the Giants that haunt Tom's and Bill's dreams.
That's nuts. Gronk's health had nothing to do with him not catching that pass. He was too far away from it to catch it, healthy or not. It wasn't that close to being caught no matter how nervous it made us
Afterwards you saw it from another angle and you could see that Gronk was a yard and a half or so away from making the play.
Fans forget how difficult it is to win the ultimate prize. So many things can and often do go wrong en route..Latest example? Green Bay..Seattle, if they go on to win it all, will look back(or should) at how EASILY they could have been gone from this..Cherish EVERY SB and stop the damn complaining! :)
And I hated the deep pass to Moss in Super Bowl 42 the way the safety was trailing Moss. If it wasn't for Webster, that could have been a TD (but at least close enough for a FG).
You do have to say that both games were nail biters to the end...and isn't that what makes football so great?
I was just about to say that. He really wasn't that close.
Different angle - ( New Window )
They had a non-call on Chung who interfered with Manningham on 3rd and 10 earlier in the 4th. This was around the time Ballard got injured.
They were moving really well then too, and it was still 17-15 then.
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I'll take a Super Bowl victory any way I can get it...
But that GREAT last drive by the Giants was weakened in terms of drama by the butt-first TD - plus had the Patriots scored at the end - the TD really would have come back to haunt them instead of just kneeling there.
Still, it has to be a kick in the balls to Belichick and Brady to lose to Coughlin and Manning like that again.
That is why I want NE to win this SB. Forever, it will be TC and the Giants that haunt Tom's and Bill's dreams.
This is precisely why I want NE to lose - and remain at 3 SB victories. This way, they'll know if they could've taken at least one of those two, they'd be tied with us.
Brady had the ball at the end of both Super Bowl losses to NYG and both times the NYG defense stopped him. Wanna bet against Eli in that same same spot? It would have been tough but bet against Eli there at your own peril.
djm : 9:53 am : link : reply
Can we bring up the multitude of NYG injuries from the 2011 season?
Brady had the ball at the end of both Super Bowl losses to NYG and both times the NYG defense stopped him. Wanna bet against Eli in that same same spot? It would have been tough but bet against Eli there at your own peril.
Was it the defense, or the lack of time on the clock?
couldnt agree more
just had to share
However, it is that last one, the two tipped away deep passes to Moss at the end of XLII that scared me the most at the time because I was at that game in the stands behind the endzone that the play was going towards. Especially the first one. The longest 35 Seconds of my life. Seeing Brady get blasted by Alford, then the missed pass to Stallworth were reassuring, but when that next play happened, I nearly shit myself. Brady rolls out untouched and heaves it, I look down to see where he's throwing and there's Moss all alone. I'm like SHIT!!! But at the last minute Webster and Wilson catch up because the pass isn't long enough and they tip it away. What a sigh of relief was heard from my end of the stadium. I needed the paddles to restart my heart. The next heave wasn't as close because Webster & Wilson had Moss blanketed. One of the most awesomely intense moments of my life. I will cherish it always.
The ending of 46 he had even more time. And again, admittedly with the aid of a drop or two, he failed. The best he could muster was one amazing 4th down completion.
Eli didn't take the crushing sack with minutes left in either Super Bowl. He found a way.
The ending of 46 he had even more time. And again, admittedly with the aid of a drop or two, he failed. The best he could muster was one amazing 4th down completion.
Eli didn't take the crushing sack with minutes left in either Super Bowl. He found a way.
I believe he went underneath to Welker (incomplete) first, sacked on 2nd, and then deep to moss twice.
It's not like you said, he went deep time and time again.
by the time he went deep the first time it was 3rd and 10 with no timeouts (they used their last after the sack) and 80+ yards to go.
That was such an awesome play. I remember one commentator saying it was the greatest effort he had ever seen by one player on one play.
Another big play in XXV was Meggett taking a handoff on 3 and 9, slipping, falling down, and getting back up and running for 11 yards.
Gronk was not catching that ball even if he was healthy
This. +1
And maybe if Lee Evans doesnt drop a pass in the end zone followed by an unbelievable shank job, the Pats arent even in SB46 to begin with.
Injuries and luck.... they're a fundamental aspect of this sport.
It's not like you said, he went deep time and time again.
by the time he went deep the first time it was 3rd and 10 with no timeouts (they used their last after the sack) and 80+ yards to go.
Yep. The Alford sack gives folks a false perspective when it comes to that drive. Brady had just taken a three-step drop and was stepping up to throw when Alford blasted him. The drive might have looked very different if he had gotten that pass off and not had to use the Pats' last timeout.