NFT: Jordan says it would swap terrorist for ISIS captive

You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

In comment 12112439 blueblood'11 said:

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You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

Lol. New to BBI? There's something called NFT for these things. You can filter them out.

In comment 12112439 blueblood'11 said:

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You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

Well...this is an NFT. Just one NFT among many more NFTs on the first page alone. But thanks for your concern, brah.

sure Eric himself (if he has access to such a numbers breakdown) would agree that the NFT's likely bring in a significant portion of the page clicks/revenue that this site brings in (especially in the off-season). How much Giants talk are you going to have in late January? We all know the FA, we all know who may or may not be cut. Of course it's heavy on the NFT stuff right now (and yeah you can filter).

Their advance seems to be halted, but I don't see a lot of progress driving them out.

to the peshmerga/Iraqi forces yesterday, so that's pretty big.

Therefore it is in the right .Blueblood we always have these type of stories. If you don't want to read a non-football post, then don't open it. It's not rocket science. In regards to the story, to negotiate with terrorists will lead to possibly more kidnappings and demands for exchanges.

not the best source but it's news.
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much of my news does in fact come from BBI.

All I'm saying is I know there are a lot of NFT's that go on and the Giants aren't the only discussions. But I've been told this many times in the past try to leave the politics out of it.

People's passions run high when it comes to politics and I don't think this is what Eric had in mind when he started this website. Shit, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about anyway.

It's bad enough the Rangers can't beat the Islanders. And don't we get enough politics shoved down our throats anyway.

or declining to use a filter that prevents your seeing even the titles of such threads is not shoving anything down your throat.

In comment 12112455 njm said:

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Their advance seems to be halted, but I don't see a lot of progress driving them out.

While I don't like to use numbers as any form of measure of effectiveness, ISIS has lost a lot of fighters and equipment (something in the area of 5000+ fighters). It can be argued that ISIS still maintains control over large areas, but most of that is open/uninhabited grounds that Iraqi government isn't going to go after. ISIS fighters operating in areas that have been contested have been pushed back or eliminated.

Also, while Kobani is in Syria, ISIS wasn't able to hold that city either. And while still a dangerous threat, ISIS is no longer seen as the military might as it was just a few months ago.

I got busted several times in the past for starting a political discussion. I guess we have double standard when I balk at it.

In comment 12112466 blueblood'11 said:

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All I'm saying is I know there are a lot of NFT's that go on and the Giants aren't the only discussions. But I've been told this many times in the past try to leave the politics out of it. People's passions run high when it comes to politics and I don't think this is what Eric had in mind when he started this website. Shit, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about anyway. It's bad enough the Rangers can't beat the Islanders. And don't we get enough politics shoved down our throats anyway.

Not sure where anyone is shoving politics down your throat so far. We can always preemptively delete or not even start threads for the fear of something becoming political, but vast majority of posters in these threads contribute great insights or even questions that get people to think.

If you don't want politics shoved down your throat, then do yourself a favor by not clicking on the thread. It's about self control.

And if you haven't noticed, there are only so many football-related threads that you can read on BBI during offseason that aren't redundant or just outright stupid. Some people (myself particularly) enjoy the distraction of discussing and learning about current events.

In comment 12112473 blueblood'11 said:

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I got busted several times in the past for starting a political discussion. I guess we have double standard when I balk at it.

So you started a political discussion. What does that have to do with a current events discussion that isn't meant to be a political discussion? Because you can't refrain from starting one doesn't mean others can't enjoy NFTs.

In comment 12112439 blueblood'11 said:

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You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

Are you serious? Discussing world events is a staple here. If it evolves into Republican vs Democrat it will be deleted. This site has a lot of value in addition to Giants talk. There's always the "don't click on it" option for you

is because of policy they never become overtly partisan. You can walk up to the line, imply stuff but as long as you don't cross it intentionally you can get your point across. Unlike the Comments section anywhere else it never becomes a name calling shit fest of the stupid

what blueblood said is true, we CAN get this news elsewhere, but what we want to do is discuss it with people we "know", sort of, and get opinions and viewpoints from people whose insight we respect as well as others whose main contribution is as contrarians, which is also often helpful to those without a closed mind.

In comment 12112473 blueblood'11 said:

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I got busted several times in the past for starting a political discussion. I guess we have double standard when I balk at it.

Military does not always equal political. Sometimes they may unavoidably blend in, but we do our best not to make it "political" in the pejorative sense of the term. Just like talking about the blizzard involves politics, closings, states of emergency.

International Affairs, not Politics per se.
B. "Shit, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about anyway."
Im with you there.

In comment 12112462 Moondawg said:

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much of my news does in fact come from BBI.

Same here..

Reading news is one thing. We can all do that on our own, I grant you.

However, actually being able to discuss the current event with others with varying perspective is something you can't do outside of forums. And since I don't use any other forums and have gotten to know many BBI posters since 2000, I choose to discuss these topics here. Whenever we have anything international affairs related or economy or military, many posters with great insights contribute knowledge to help all of us out. Don't see how that is a bad thing.

And yes, trolls will be trolls. But most of us can identify and ignore them.

match with Hezbollah, a growing tit for tat thing.

Which, ...is frustrating since the Al Queda and Jihadis and ISIS alignment would probably be an existential threat to Israel (much more so even than Iran if you measured on actual intent and willingness to pull the trigger as opposed to rhetoric, threats and positioning)

while, Hezbollah could (a remote possibility however, much more so than ISIS) one day grow into a 'frenemy' since they are in a struggle with the Jihadis as well.

Netenyahu is looking radically out of touch here, borderline dumb -ass.

that is discouraged here. Unfortunately one often slides into the other, but sometimes we are able to reasonably discuss topics of social, political and economic consequence without it devolving into namecalling. I'm glad, frankly, that we still try from time to time.

That said, I heard the Kobani news yesterday. Almost 1000 ISIS fighters reported as KIA. I'm not sure at what rate new fighters continue to flow in from other countries however to support them.

In comment 12112544 idiotsavant said:

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match with Hezbollah, a growing tit for tat thing. Which, ...is frustrating since the Al Queda and Jihadis and ISIS alignment would probably be an existential threat to Israel (much more so even than Iran if you measured on actual intent and willingness to pull the trigger as opposed to rhetoric, threats and positioning) while, Hezbollah could (a remote possibility however, much more so than ISIS) one day grow into a 'frenemy' since they are in a struggle with the Jihadis as well. Netenyahu is looking radically out of touch here, borderline dumb -ass.

I am no fan of Netenyahu but you don't know what you're talking about. Right now ISIS is concerned with fighting the Shiites. They are not concerned with Israel. Even the ISIS pledges they caught in Hebron were headed to Syria. Hezbollah is a real and current threat on Israels border. Iran is an outspoken enemy of Israel. There is no chance of peace with Hezbollah, ever.

Just because we share a common enemy doesn't make us allies. That's why Syria is such a mess - there are many factions fighting each other there, and almost all of them are horrible.

In comment 12112439 blueblood'11 said:

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You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

I will never understand for the life of me, why some people will take the time to make a negative post in a thread they claim they don't want to read

They've taken a beating in Kobane, because the only effective, determined opposition they've ever faced is fighting them there - the peshmerga and the YPG. I know I beat this drum a lot, but the Kurds are the closest thing to a real friend and a useful fighting force we've got over there. They alone have effectively fought off IS forces. We've put so many resources into the Iraqi Army, yet they melted in the face of an IS attack. The Kurds are poorly supplied but their fighting spirit is unmatched in the region. The smartest thing we could do is make them a true partner and start arming them for real. Stop pouring money and materiel down the bottomless pit that is the Iraqi Army.

I think you are both underestimating the Gap between two types of ideologies:

a) Hezbollah / Iranian actions and intentions, as a semi state (Hezbollah) and a State (Iran) both with vested interest in retaining borders and infrastructure and long histories of unfriendly albeit not outright war with the Israelis

as opposed to the

b) Sunni AlQueda and affiliated ISIS -school of- Jihadis. who, it seems to an outsider, are much more dedicated to their ideology, (as opposed to using it -relatively- crassly to preserve status quo rackets in -country such as with the Shiites) and it would appear , the extremist within the Sunnis, being relatively much more liable to execute real horror.

not to mention, the USA is at war with ISIS/Al Queda, not with Iran....as are Hezbollah, also at war vs Al Queda......so.....

NBC thought this guy was real. He escaped and his interview on Meet The Press was interesting. He said that ISIS was growing stronger but changing their tactics a bit. He said a common discussion was that they wanted to outdo Al Qaeda and execute something even bigger than 9/11. To him, ISIS welcomed American involvement because it "validates" them.

You sure you want to stand by that comment?

In comment 12112617 Greg from LI said:

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They've taken a beating in Kobane, because the only effective, determined opposition they've ever faced is fighting them there - the peshmerga and the YPG. I know I beat this drum a lot, but the Kurds are the closest thing to a real friend and a useful fighting force we've got over there. They alone have effectively fought off IS forces. We've put so many resources into the Iraqi Army, yet they melted in the face of an IS attack. The Kurds are poorly supplied but their fighting spirit is unmatched in the region. The smartest thing we could do is make them a true partner and start arming them for real. Stop pouring money and materiel down the bottomless pit that is the Iraqi Army.

You are right. I agree that "taking a beating" is bit of an overstatement. Should be more ISIS capabilities and numbers have been impacted by ongoing coalition operations.

Glad that you admit your seemingly hero worship of the Kurds in almost every post you make regarding this topic...:)

And while Iraqi Army as it stands now hasn't lived up to the time and resources we've put in (mainly due to the Iraqi government really messing it up since our departure), prior to our departure, many of the units were more than effective in conducting military operations. And since they are the military force of the actual government that we're still supporting and have been in partner with, you can't just cut them out for the sake of the Kurds. This really isn't a military issue as much as government issue with regards to who we support with additional resources for the military.

but equating Hezbollah to Al Queda is like equating a neighbor you got in a bloody fistfight with (Hezbollah) to a pathological serial killer (Al Quada).

Dont let the tactical preclude the strategic.

also- Hez backed by Iran has had war conflicts with Israel, ok, but also had shared a border for years without open war.

Iran- wants nukes.

Al Quada- would actually use them.

Yes, the Iraqi Army was competent when the US was heavily involved in joint operations. I don't think that domestic politics will allow for that kind of operating environment again. What can they do on their own? So far, not much. Within just a few years of our exit from Iraq, their armed forces have been degraded by rampant cronyism and sectarian strife. I do acknowledge that you have a much more nuanced first-person perspective here, given your experience working with the Iraqis during OIF.

Hero worship? Heh....I admire people who fight so passionately for their people against such long odds and with such middling international support. I suppose I'm too much of an idealist, but while I recognize the utility of realpolitik I also believe strongly in rewarding those who actually deserve to be rewarded. The Kurds aren't perfect, but they are for the most part a tolerant, civilized society in a barbaric part of the world. Consigning them to be vassals of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and the country formerly known as Syria because of the vagaries of cartography in the waning days of the British Empire just doesn't seem fair.

let's remember, with Hezbollah, Israel was once in open war with Egypt, now they have a common enemy, Al Quada, ISIS and all that.

Netenyahu should have reached out to Hez even last year:

The elimination of the State of Israel is a PRIMARY goal of Hezbollah. ISIS has so far been relatively uninterested in Israel. Why would Israel join up with a group whose existence is to destroy it to fight that groups enemy who has barely even mentioned Israel?

-everyone- in the Middle East sprouts that rhetoric, some in private, some in public.

As an American, we have seen that Al Queda really means it.

And, the facts speak for themselves, the Hezbollah has shared a border with Israel, and don't remember when the last time it broke into open war was.

As an American, we are at war with Al Queda / ISIS, not with hezbollah nor with Iran, not without reason.

Netenyahu is an idiot.

In comment 12112730 Greg from LI said:

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Yes, the Iraqi Army was competent when the US was heavily involved in joint operations. I don't think that domestic politics will allow for that kind of operating environment again. What can they do on their own? So far, not much. Within just a few years of our exit from Iraq, their armed forces have been degraded by rampant cronyism and sectarian strife. I do acknowledge that you have a much more nuanced first-person perspective here, given your experience working with the Iraqis during OIF. Hero worship? Heh....I admire people who fight so passionately for their people against such long odds and with such middling international support. I suppose I'm too much of an idealist, but while I recognize the utility of realpolitik I also believe strongly in rewarding those who actually deserve to be rewarded. The Kurds aren't perfect, but they are for the most part a tolerant, civilized society in a barbaric part of the world. Consigning them to be vassals of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and the country formerly known as Syria because of the vagaries of cartography in the waning days of the British Empire just doesn't seem fair.

I hope you didn't take my response as disagree with you on the larger topic. You are absolutely correct about the Kurds. And you know I give you hard time because you're just so damn predictable with this...;)

As far as the Iraqi Army goes, you are also correct when it comes to the corruption at the higher level trickling down to the lowest of jundies to make them 1) not give a shit about anyone beyond their own sect/tribes and 2) less than well trained. And while you are correct in that it was mainly the advising and leadership of our advisors on the ground that made the Iraqi Army at all effective, they do have the capacity to once again be that way (I've seen more bravery and fighting skills by Iraqi jundies than most people like to give them credit for). It really will come down to the Iraqi government allowing the army to become what it can be.

In comment 12112791 idiotsavant said:

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And, the facts speak for themselves, the Hezbollah has shared a border with Israel, and don't remember when the last time it broke into open war was.

As Sgrcts pointed out, annhilation of Israel is Hezbollah's raison d'etre. It's written into their charter. As far as the last time there was open war, that would be 2006.

In comment 12112791 idiotsavant said:

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-everyone- in the Middle East sprouts that rhetoric, some in private, some in public. As an American, we have seen that Al Queda really means it. And, the facts speak for themselves, the Hezbollah has shared a border with Israel, and don't remember when the last time it broke into open war was. As an American, we are at war with Al Queda / ISIS, not with hezbollah nor with Iran, not without reason. Netenyahu is an idiot.

Israel is not America, so what does what you just stated have to do with anything?

And you are right, the facts DO speak for themselves. Hezbollah has the destruction of Israel as its primary goal, and ISIS has not paid any attention to Israel(never mind the fact that ISIS would get STEAMROLLED by the IDF).

You don't remember the last time there was a war with Hezbollah? How about a huge one in 2006? How about constant border skirmishes for the last, I don't know, 50+ years between Israel and Lebanon?

How about doing even a LITTLE bit of research?

Your posting seems familiar. What was your previous handle?

Al Queda loves the game of stateless terror, the assymetry, despite ISIS' "state" remains very fluid in its actions and strategy, is not associated with a real state (ISIS is not a real state) such as Hezbollah is associated with the state of Lebanon and thus has much more to loose.

and again for the third time, the USA is -at war- with ISIS/AQ...as is hezbollah.

we are not at war with Iran or Hezbollah, israel is our ally, and this spit fight has been months in the making.

none of your business fucker.

Grab a cold shower stat.

In comment 12112818 idiotsavant said:

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none of your business fucker. Grab a cold shower stat.

For the record...I wasn't asking because I wanted to get into an argument or deride you. Since the whole hacking incident, people have been using new handles, so I ask that to others as well.

But hey...if it hit a nerve, my bad.

RCO. I typically agree with your posts.

People here dont get the whole symmetry thing.

Hey, I wish peace on Israel! However, I take the American point of view to a strong degree.

And- my handle - it is 'IDIOT savant.'.....the nimbies may pick my details apart, however, they are almost always wrong on the bigger picture.

In comment 12112439 blueblood'11 said:

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You realize this is a sports forum. We can get this news through other sources.

You are a useless human being (blueblood).

In comment 12112834 idiotsavant said:

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RCO. I typically agree with your posts. People here dont get the whole symmetry thing. Hey, I wish peace on Israel! However, I take the American point of view to a strong degree. And- my handle - it is 'IDIOT savant.'.....the nimbies may pick my details apart, however, they are almost always wrong on the bigger picture.

Thats funny coming from a guy who is as off base on this topic as maybe anything I've ever read.

In comment 12112817 idiotsavant said:

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Al Queda loves the game of stateless terror, the assymetry, despite ISIS' "state" remains very fluid in its actions and strategy, is not associated with a real state (ISIS is not a real state) such as Hezbollah is associated with the state of Lebanon and thus has much more to loose. and again for the third time, the USA is -at war- with ISIS/AQ...as is hezbollah. we are not at war with Iran or Hezbollah, israel is our ally, and this spit fight has been months in the making.

Israel is Americas ally, but Israel is its own country. Israel should make peace with a group whose existence depends on the destruction of Israel and who has been basically at war with Israel since its inception to make America happy?

Even if you take the thoughtless idea that Israel would make peace with Hezbollah, are you that unaware that Hezbollah has NO, ZERO, NO interest in peace with Israel?

In comment 12112791 idiotsavant said:

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And, the facts speak for themselves, the Hezbollah has shared a border with Israel, and don't remember when the last time it broke into open war was.

Yesterday. Two Israeli soldiers killed and several more wounded by anti-tank fire from Hezbollah.

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Your posting seems familiar. What was your previous handle?

Rich n Houston.

In comment 12112914 Randy in CT said:

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In comment 12112813 RC02XX said: Quote: Your posting seems familiar. What was your previous handle? Rich n Houston.

Is it really?

LUVS me some rich in Houston. wow, thats HUGE!

Dont know if there is any truth at all, but a talking head on French TV said something to the effect that

''40% of Israelis thought that Netanyahus January 16th bombing of Hezbollah related targets was at least in part an attempt to build vote support prior to a coming snap and close election, as Netenyahus party does well during a military action time.';'

(probably I should not repeat shit that may not be true)

Do not lump me in with Israel haters, I want peace there, and I have no love for Hezbollah.

Its just, you can bet this complicates things that the USA is trying to do in that region, and he could have literally been told to 'cool his jets for a bit.'

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In comment 12112813 RC02XX said: Quote: Your posting seems familiar. What was your previous handle? Rich n Houston.

Doubt it. My money's on alligatorpie or whatever it was.

a january '15 er, so, yep

In comment 12113016 idiotsavant said:

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LUVS me some rich in Houston. wow, thats HUGE! Dont know if there is any truth at all, but a talking head on French TV said something to the effect that ''40% of Israelis thought that Netanyahus January 16th bombing of Hezbollah related targets was at least in part an attempt to build vote support prior to a coming snap and close election, as Netenyahus party does well during a military action time.';' (probably I should not repeat shit that may not be true) Do not lump me in with Israel haters, I want peace there, and I have no love for Hezbollah. Its just, you can bet this complicates things that the USA is trying to do in that region, and he could have literally been told to 'cool his jets for a bit.'

I have no doubt this might be true, and I have especially no doubt that a large portion of Israeli society thinks this. However, that still has zero to do with your initial point of Israel making peace with Hezbollah, which is a literal impossibility.