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Belichick: Bavaro should be in the Hall of Fame

Emlen'sGremlins : 1/28/2015 11:30 am
This article was included in Eric's BBI Update last night, but I thought it deserved its own thread.

I have long been of the opinion that the Parcells' Giants championship teams are underrepresented in Canton, and Mark Bavaro should be first on the list for induction.

Although his career was shortened due to injury, Bavaro was an absolutely dominant and complete Tight End, one of the best to ever play the position. Bill Belichick doesn't throw the word "great" around too often.

It's time for someone from the New York media to take up Bavaro's cause before the "catch only" Tight Ends begin to regularly appear on future ballots. Someone needs to take up Bavaro's cause, much like they finally did in regards to Harry Carson's HOF snubbing. That someone should be Peter King, who witnessed Bavaro's greatness on a daily basis back then and now has a national platform to influence other voters.

#89 should be in Canton along with Taylor, Carson and Parcells.
Bill Belichick Praises Mark Bavaro - ( New Window )
I recently changed my mind on Bavaro..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/28/2015 11:35 am : link
I used to believe Ditka was the best two-way TE I ever saw..I now believe MB was
Any TE who can block Reggie White alone should be  
Victor in CT : 1/28/2015 11:37 am : link
in the Hall.
He's a scary sonofagun, that Bavaro  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2015 11:37 am : link
You never know what he's thinking.

-Bill Parcells
As much as I love Bavaro  
pjcas18 : 1/28/2015 11:38 am : link
and it pains me to say this, Gronkowski is a bigger, faster, stronger version of Bavaro. Gronkowski is a heck of a blocker - many people don't know this or refuse to acknowledge it, but he's lethal.

I'm not sure Bavaro had the longevity for the HOF, but based on his results when he played, there is no doubt about it if that was the only criteria. And if he were elected I definitely wouldn't say he doesn't belong.
Bavaro's career paralleled  
truebluelarry : 1/28/2015 11:38 am : link
Gayles Sayres in regard to an abbreviated but incredible peak shortened by knee injuries.
Man...  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2015 11:39 am : link
I'd hate to run into him in a dark alley..

-Bill Parcells
.....I'd have to have to fight that....  
BillKo : 1/28/2015 11:41 am : link
son of a gun.......

Bill Parcells
This remains...  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2015 11:52 am : link
the most depressing sports picture I have ever seen. Just so much wrong in here:

there goes my appetite for lunch  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2015 11:54 am : link
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RE: there goes my appetite for lunch  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2015 11:54 am : link
In comment 12112820 Greg from LI said:
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Your jorts thank me?
BB is doing this to get Gronk going  
WideRight : 1/28/2015 11:58 am : link
always a motive.
There is no, none, nada  
Doomster : 1/28/2015 12:06 pm : link
possible comparison of Bavaro to Gale Sayers....

Unfortunately, the Hall does tend to use length of career/stats vs quality and a player's presence on the field and how he affects games...

No doubt, if he was not injured, he would have still been a Giant and would be in the Hall...
Here are the current Tight Ends in the HOF....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/28/2015 12:07 pm : link
Casper, Ditka, Mackey, Newsome, Sanders, Sharpe, Smith and Winslow.

Stat wise (and I'm absolutely not a stat guy), Bavaro compares pretty favorably on receiving numbers.

Bavaro has more catches and TDs than Mackey.
Bavaro has more yards per catch than Newsome.
Bavaro has more catches and TDs than Sanders.
Bavaro has more yards per catch than Sharpe.
Bavaro has more yards per catch than Winslow.

As far as blocking goes, Ditka and Casper were both very good, but I believe that Bavaro was the best blocker ever at his position. Look no further than Casper's coach, John Madden who said so.

As far as championships go, I believe the only Tight End in Canton who can match Bavaro is Ditka with two (Chicago in 1963 and Dallas in 1971).
Check that....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/28/2015 12:13 pm : link
....Sharpe had 3 championships (2 in Denver and 1 in Baltimore)
RE: As much as I love Bavaro  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/28/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12112780 pjcas18 said:
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and it pains me to say this, Gronkowski is a bigger, faster, stronger version of Bavaro. Gronkowski is a heck of a blocker - many people don't know this or refuse to acknowledge it, but he's lethal.

I'm not sure Bavaro had the longevity for the HOF, but based on his results when he played, there is no doubt about it if that was the only criteria. And if he were elected I definitely wouldn't say he doesn't belong.


In my opinion, Jason Witten is as close to a Bavaro 2.0 that there's been, especially when you consider Parcells drafted him.
RE: This remains...  
Sec 103 : 1/28/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12112816 Chris in Philly said:
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the most depressing sports picture I have ever seen. Just so much wrong in here:


Repulsive!!!
Furthermore, Bavaro averaged 13.5 YPC for his career and twice  
Victor in CT : 1/28/2015 12:38 pm : link
averaged over 15 YPC in a season as a TE! Jerry Rice averaged 14.8 YPC as a WR for his career.
Witten  
RetroJint : 1/28/2015 12:56 pm : link
is an average blocker at best. I mentioned Madden's quote about Bavaro handling Dexter Manley. Four Rings Joe out does that by saying Bavaro handled Reggie White. You have to distinguish between peak and career value when talking about Bavaro's HOF status. Like Ditka, he belongs in because of his peak performance. You don't consider Mark's years with the Browns and Eagles's nor Ditka's with Eagles and Cowboys.

That 15-yard average should be contrasted with Donnell's 9. & change in 14. Over 60 catches, that's a difference of about 340 yards. An enormous
Chris  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2015 1:01 pm : link
did you ever see Bavaro's post-career interview with Steve Sabol of NFL Films. He said the Eagles were "evil incarnate"...said he despised them.
RE: Chris  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12112961 Eric from BBI said:
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did you ever see Bavaro's post-career interview with Steve Sabol of NFL Films. He said the Eagles were "evil incarnate"...said he despised them.


He was a man of few words, but when he spoke, he spoke the truth!
RE: RE: Chris  
Victor in CT : 1/28/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12112963 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12112961 Eric from BBI said:


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did you ever see Bavaro's post-career interview with Steve Sabol of NFL Films. He said the Eagles were "evil incarnate"...said he despised them.



He was a man of few words, but when he spoke, he spoke the truth!


Didn't stop him from playing for them though
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/28/2015 1:04 pm : link
So why isn't he? Longevity?
he also said in that interview that he had a dream where he killed  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2015 1:07 pm : link
Buddy Ryan.
While It Is Often Difficult To Compare Players  
Trainmaster : 1/28/2015 1:24 pm : link
from one decade to another (especially if there are multiple decades in between), Mark Bavaro is bar none the best "two way" (receiving and blocking) tight end I've seen play.

Two way players usually get the short end of the stick in comparisons to "one way" players (especially receiving only TEs in this case).

I really liked hearing Belichick's comments about Bavaro going against Banks (also underrated) and LT at practice. That would have been worth the price of admission to see that.

I hope Bavaro makes it into the Hall Of Fame. I think he deserves it a little more than Phil Simms.
That's my boy  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/28/2015 1:28 pm : link
Blue!
I remember going to the "Crazed Dogs" preseason game vs. the Jets....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/28/2015 1:35 pm : link
....with my best friend in August of '85. Before we left my father said "Watch that kid from Notre Dame at Tight End. I've been reading impressive reports about him from camp going against Taylor". Of course, Bavaro wound up dropping multiple balls that night and we were like well, Pops might be wrong about this guy. The next week Zeke Mowatt, who was in his prime, tore his ACL at Pittsburgh in the preseason finale and I remember thinking, now we're stuck with this stone hands Bavaro guy all season. Turned out my dad was right, just like he was on most everything.
RE: Chris  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12112961 Eric from BBI said:
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did you ever see Bavaro's post-career interview with Steve Sabol of NFL Films. He said the Eagles were "evil incarnate"...said he despised them.


FYI, here it is.
Link - ( New Window )
This is a pretty good Bavaro video....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/28/2015 2:17 pm : link
....too!
NY Giants Chronicles: Mark Bavaro - ( New Window )
Been saying this for years  
djm : 1/28/2015 2:43 pm : link
Even when Bavaro was playing on one leg during the latter part of his career he still blocked like a madman and caught enough big passes. For 3 or 4 years he was a force of nature. After that he played well enough to compile a hof career in my view. Factor in the lack of TEs in the hof, which is attributed to the both the violent nature of the position and the voting stupidity, and I think Bavaro should get consideration.

Bavaro was the best offensive player on a two time Super Bowl champion and an offensive unit that left an indelible mark on 1980s pro football. The guy even played well in 1993 which kind if makes me sick because it was for philly.

The voters just completely ignore Bavaro's 1990-1993 run.
RE: Chris  
Moondawg : 1/29/2015 7:44 am : link
In comment 12112961 Eric from BBI said:
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did you ever see Bavaro's post-career interview with Steve Sabol of NFL Films. He said the Eagles were "evil incarnate"...said he despised them.


He said he wanted to injure Buddy Ryan, iirc.
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