"They’re really not probably a team that should be picking in the top 10 overall. I think that’s largely a by-product of injuries. The Giants can get it turned around pretty quickly. It’s not like they have so many glaring holes like a lot of these teams in the top 10. They’re not that far away once they get everybody back healthy. I just think Scherff would be perfect for them.
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Maybe all the injuries means we can turn it around in one year, but the OL and LB positions on this team have been dreadful for years.
Did it have an impact on the record. Some, but I would argue that the team's record is right around where many BBI'ers predicted 10-6 to 6-10 range was what everyone was saying when we polled in the preseason.
Did it have an impact on the record. Some, but I would argue that the team's record is right around where many BBI'ers predicted 10-6 to 6-10 range was what everyone was saying when we polled in the preseason.
Totally disagree. Cruz was our best playmaker on offense (until OBJ exploded), Schwartz was signed to anchor our oline and improve the running game, and we lost our top 3 CBs to injury (DRC for portions of the year when he wasn't playing through injury and then Prince & Thurmond). Not sure how you can say those aren't major injuries.
The signs are there that the arrow is pointing up. Still need some things to fall into place though. I'm cautiously hopeful that the mini wilderness is behind us.
They need more talent but they can add more talent this offseason and Eli to beckham is so good -- that's a game changing field tilting combo.
The running game has to improve. Absolutely has to. Improve there and everything else falls into place.
But let's not pretend that having those guys around would have made the Giants viable Super Bowl contenders.
Being competitive is what we used to root for on on BBI when the site started in 1995. "Hey, at least we gave Dallas a game!"
But picking in the top ten this year is primarily a result of stinking terrible drafting between 2008 and 2013, too many failed veteran free agent acquisitions in recent years, and some pretty questionable coaching along the way, too.
If anything they should have picked in the top five last spring and should be picking there again this spring. It's really about where they are talent-wise compared to the rest of the league.
Did it have an impact on the record. Some, but I would argue that the team's record is right around where many BBI'ers predicted 10-6 to 6-10 range was what everyone was saying when we polled in the preseason.
Except the top of that range of records, 10-6, might have gotten us into the playoffs (depending on where the wins came).
As for the injuries, I think Schwartz was a big one. The ton of injuries at CB exposed us terribly also. Beason's injury had a large trickkle down impact on the D.
All that said, I think this team could have still been a lot better than their record.
I was thinking about those two as well but can we expect any better next season. Beason is injury prone and I don't hold out hope for Jennings to stay healthy either.
Regardless, Beason is a walking injury time bomb. He may not even be on the team in 2015.
It's a rabbit hole, dudes.
Injuries were not an issue at safety. Waiving Hill hurt and Rolle didn't play well. Brown and Demps subpar. Injuries obviously hurt at CB.
Linebackers...aside from Kennard, is there anyone to build around here?
DL...Until Moore/Ayers play the run better... The DT's outside of Hankins were not very good.
Offense:
Line still isn't very good. It's not a physical group.
RB...I like Jennings and have hopes for Williams, but they weren't dynamic... no outside running threat at all.
WR...Even before injury, Cruz had yet to regain 2011-12 form. After he went down, it was only Beckham.
TE...Donnell has an upside, but this wasn't a very good group.
I picked them to go 6-10.
2. New system on offense and the learning curve to grasp
it.
3.Injuries. MacAdoo never had two top receivers out there at the same time. Randle was inconsistent as usual.
There are some pretty good pieces here especially if we keep JPP to build around:
-Top 10 Qb, maybe better in second year of a QB friendly offense
-One of the best young receivers in the NFL
-A young line that needs another part or two that could be at least decent in year 2 under MacAdoo.
-An underrated DL that features some pretty high ceiling talent in JPP,Hankins,Moore and a couple role players.
-if healthy, top 3 CB duo in NFL and potential for great depth with health and re-signing a couple guys
With a good FA and draft and some health, this team can be right back in the thick of it next year.
So it's like this: Should the Giants NOT draft an OG in Round 1? Should the Giants NOT draft a CB in Round 1? Should the Giants NOT draft a LB in Round 1? The answer is always "No", for every position.
If you want to exclude QB from that, OK.
Holes? Well, I guess it's terminology. The Giants are weak at every position, that's for sure.
Again, exclude QB if you want.
people started to show concern, by the 4th people were ready to jump off the ledge because Eli complete like 3 passes for 42 yards the whole preseason BUT going into the preseason not too many around here saw this
I guess it all evens out as I believe the 2013 (7-9) was worse than the 2014 (6-10) team despite a better record.
What the Giants did not understand was the Atlanta and Baltimore games were a signal that the 2007 and 2011 core championship team was done and they squeezed an extra Super Bowl out of it. So they decided to hold off on a rebuild to take one more chance at a title with Metlife hosting. The reality was, the 2013 Giants were probably a 4-5 win team that got lucky due to QB injuries (the Giants don't beat Green Bay with Rodgers there, nor do they win in Philly if Foles or even a healthy Vick).
The 2014 Giants were a rebuild. They pushed out a number of the old guard (Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, Webster, etc.) They brought in a new offensive coordinator. They brought in a number of new players on short term contracts that were not cap killers and refocused on the draft and put in more rookies than we have seen in a long time. The Giants absolutely were a team that should be picking in the top 10. The good news for the Giants? The moves seemed to work. Eli finally clicked in the new offense and they were rolling up 500+ yards late in the season. The Rams game was particularly exciting because that defense had put the clamps down on Denver, Seattle, Arizona, and the Niners, but the Giants went up and down the field on them. So you have a team where the arrow is clearly pointed up, and picking where they should be and they should be in position to be a dangerous team in 2015. But were they a legit 6-10 last year. Absolutely. They were not in the class of the playoff teams that they lost to, not yet.
This is the NFL. The Giants aren't far off from being a 9/10 win team again.
What the Giants did not understand was the Atlanta and Baltimore games were a signal that the 2007 and 2011 core championship team was done and they squeezed an extra Super Bowl out of it. So they decided to hold off on a rebuild to take one more chance at a title with Metlife hosting. The reality was, the 2013 Giants were probably a 4-5 win team that got lucky due to QB injuries (the Giants don't beat Green Bay with Rodgers there, nor do they win in Philly if Foles or even a healthy Vick).
The 2014 Giants were a rebuild. They pushed out a number of the old guard (Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, Webster, etc.) They brought in a new offensive coordinator. They brought in a number of new players on short term contracts that were not cap killers and refocused on the draft and put in more rookies than we have seen in a long time. The Giants absolutely were a team that should be picking in the top 10. The good news for the Giants? The moves seemed to work. Eli finally clicked in the new offense and they were rolling up 500+ yards late in the season. The Rams game was particularly exciting because that defense had put the clamps down on Denver, Seattle, Arizona, and the Niners, but the Giants went up and down the field on them. So you have a team where the arrow is clearly pointed up, and picking where they should be and they should be in position to be a dangerous team in 2015. But were they a legit 6-10 last year. Absolutely. They were not in the class of the playoff teams that they lost to, not yet.
Agree. Well said
Well, I wouldn't be thrilled with a WR, TE or RB in Rd. 1, but all those other positions seem reasonable options. Thankfully, the only position of the three I listed that seems a possibility in Rd. 1 is WR, and if that were the case I guess we'd be talking Cooper or Kevin White, two great prospects. But to me we have too many weaknesses to "waste" further resources on a WR position that is relatively deep if Cruz returns.