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if we had taken Martin, there is no way of telling where we'd be in terms of rebuilding.

We have zero way of measuring just how better our running game would be with him starting for example.

Personally I would have selected Martin AND Richburg in the draft if for no other reason then to tell Eli Manning, "Come hell or high water, I'm going to protect you".

And Reese has repeated targeted selected certain positions, Matty has detailed his perchant for WR's but Aaron Ross's selection is another example of him doing so.

In comment 12114779 Colin@gbn said:

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Anakim et al: The simple answer I can't! The problem with Peat which so many people seem to be overlooking in their almost obsessional (delusional!) desire to draft an OL is that while he unquestionably has the Top 5 physical tools to be a potential elite shut down LT at the next level, talk to scouts and they are distressed by the fact he was very inconsistent in his effort on the field in terms of his intensity level and that he lacked that nastiness edge. And what I am hearing from my sources is that he is a guy who could drop significantly come the draft although a team with a legit huge need for a LT may not be willing to wait. And maybe I just have a bias against Stanford LTs. When I first got into the draft back in the 1970s one of my favorite Giants picks at the time of the draft was Gordon King in 1978. I recall really sweating out the first 9 picks of that draft; I mean he was the real deal as a LT prospect: big, physical and nasty, but also very athletic and as smart as they come, however, for whatever reason it turned out he couldn't play at the next level. But that's the draft for you! Whatever, bottom line is I just don't see him being in the Giants top tier when they get on the clock on April 30 (which is my birthday by the way! What are the odds!) and if we know anything about the Giants its that they will stay true to their board.

Colin I think you nailed it. However you can bet the Giants will do their homework to figure out exactly what mental lapses caused him to underwhelm last year. There is so much talent there to pass up if you think it was just part of the growing up process for a young kid.

I am with on that Cane! And while we're on a rant (and I am historical memory-tour), WTF were George Young and the Giants thinking back in 1981 when they took Lawrence Taylor when they already had the best LB corps in the league - heck the guy didn't even play LB in college but was a down DE so was a prject to boot - when they had the NFL's worst offense and could have taken a back like Freeman McNeill to really juice the run game.

In comment 12114781 BigBlueCane said:

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if we had taken Martin, there is no way of telling where we'd be in terms of rebuilding. We have zero way of measuring just how better our running game would be with him starting for example. Personally I would have selected Martin AND Richburg in the draft if for no other reason then to tell Eli Manning, "Come hell or high water, I'm going to protect you". And Reese has repeated targeted selected certain positions, Matty has detailed his perchant for WR's but Aaron Ross's selection is another example of him doing so.

I have no problems drafting any OL position high, and I'm a fan of cluster drafting if the board dictates it and the opportunity is there.

But I can't support drafting Zack Martin over Beckham, given what we know now. An argument can be made that Beckham was the single best player in the league once he started playing. He looks like a generational player in the class of Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson...or maybe something better.

There will be other opportunities to find Zack Martin. Reese is unlikely to encounter another Beckham for the remainder of his career.

Beckham was the correct pick. That is indisputable.

Coach et al: Absolutely the Giants are going to do their due diligence on the kid, but that tends to be one of those kinds of things where you almost have to take a leap of faith. You'd almost rather he had a down year b/c of an injury or position change or something a little more tangible. As I noted I think Peat is a guy some team with a real desperate need at LT will take that leap, but are the Giants really in that state at that position that they will be willing to for all intents and purposes close their eyes and hope and pray (although truth be told that's what one does with every pick).

Haven't mentioned this before but one thing to take into consideration is that the 2016 draft could be really loaded at OT with guys like Ronnie Stanley, Conklin of Michigan State, Laremy Tunsil of Mississppi, Taylor Decker of Ohio State, Spencer Drango of Baylor, Le'Raven Clark of Texas Tech and LSU's Jerald Hawkins among others likely to be available. Just saying

resulted in how many more wins over good teams?

I'm not saying Martin would have helped any more or less, I'm saying that line of reasoning is dubious if the overall goal is to win the championship not just score a lot of points and rack up stats.

Sorry I reject the notion that Beckham was the correct pick. The correct draft pick and strategy was to rebuild the OL as soon as possible. Now we're stuck waiting another off season to see if they can fix it again.

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let Terps and JonC have their way with BBC, who is current stance is that OBD was not the correct pick. Already then...

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Beckham is a special talent. The difference in talent and impact between an average guard and an elite one is much less than between an average receiver and an elite one. DCs do not gameplan around Martin. An entire line? Sure. But if you take Martin away from that line and throw in an average G and they're still a very strong line. Take Beckham away from that receiving corps, with or without Cruz, and they take a huge step backward. A single lineman, even a very good one, has a limited impact.

In comment 12114832 BigBlueCane said:

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resulted in how many more wins over good teams? I'm not saying Martin would have helped any more or less, I'm saying that line of reasoning is dubious if the overall goal is to win the championship not just score a lot of points and rack up stats. Sorry I reject the notion that Beckham was the correct pick. The correct draft pick and strategy was to rebuild the OL as soon as possible. Now we're stuck waiting another off season to see if they can fix it again.

I'll say again...there were opportunities beyond last year's first round pick to add to the OL. Richburg is an example of that. There were no other opportunities, and there likely won't be again for many years, to add a player of Beckham's quality. You don't make decisions like that for 2014 alone.

Your thinking is what gets you Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan, Jamarcus Russell over Megatron, etc.

give it to me.

What I find so strange in all of this is that no one is screaming about the defense. The fact is that the Giants were 10th in the league in total offense in 2014, while the Dallas juggernaut led by that awesome OL was 7th - and would it surprise anyone if I told you that Romo was actually sacked MORE OFTEN - one more time anyway - than Eli despite the fact that Eli had 165 MORE pass attempts. You can look it up. On the other hand the defense was 29th and led the league in big plays allowed, was 31st in allowing first downs on 1st or 2nd down and just wasn't very good.

I believe the defense was combination of poor scheme and injuries. If this defense made 1 or 2 stops last year, we probably win another game or two.

Plus- A lot has been invested in this defense:

-DRC/Prince
-Thurmond
-JPP will be resigned/franchised
-Hankins is a player (2nd round pick)
-We let LJ walk (could have paired him with Hankins)
-Moore will be better utilized
-3rd round pick on Bromley
-Wynn + Ayers
-Kennard looks like he may be a keeper.

I'm not saying the defense is set, and wouldn't be against a big time pass-rusher, but the offense needs some love.

Basketball is a completely different sport so that comparison doesn't hold up. And everyone KNEW Russell was not even close to being the player of Johnson (who still hasn't sniffed a SB yet despite a once in a generation talent BTW).

Did they have the opportunity to rebuild the OL before last year? Yep, that's part of the problem, they had numerous opportunities and blew them repeatedly reaching on players they thought had bigger upsides or similar justification. Go look up the draft write-ups, we all know the names. Hell Reese's "JPP of TE" is so talented, he's been passed on the depth chart by two undrafted free Agents.

Using Once in a generational talent as your justification doesn't excuse the stupidity of your earlier mistakes. Beckham doesn't cancel out the draft misses on Barden, Beckum, Moss, etc... The most important players in the two SB wins were either Marginal WR's (Tyree) or mistake prone (Manningham) that played out of their minds that day.

Dunedin not the same comparison because every team's situation is different. Taking Beckham away from the WR corp would hurt it yes but there's a very good chance that with both Martin and Richburg (which is what I advacoated for) would have meant a stronger Running game which also helps out.

And Colin, can you remind me about the discussion we had in the Seattle game about how the game of football has changed and it's no longer about winning in the trenches, I seem to have forgotten about that as I watched Lynch and the OL just bend our defense backwards and run them over.

In comment 12114876 Colin@gbn said:

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What I find so strange in all of this is that no one is screaming about the defense. The fact is that the Giants were 10th in the league in total offense in 2014, while the Dallas juggernaut led by that awesome OL was 7th - and would it surprise anyone if I told you that Romo was actually sacked MORE OFTEN - one more time anyway - than Eli despite the fact that Eli had 165 MORE pass attempts. You can look it up. On the other hand the defense was 29th and led the league in big plays allowed, was 31st in allowing first downs on 1st or 2nd down and just wasn't very good.

Colin I agree completely. I believe the offense (with the offensive line getting a FA uplift) is good enough to win now.

But I think the defense needs playmakers.

Again though I don't necessarily think that has to come from the draft.

Maybe the Giants make McCourty an offer, bring Thurmond back and Beason comes back healthy. That helps safety, MIKE and slot corner. They need a pass rusher and the D is drastically different - without using #9 on the defense.

If the Giants go defense at #9 I won't complain one bit, but I believe Reese will address the D and OL in free agency (first).

In comment 12114876 Colin@gbn said:

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What I find so strange in all of this is that no one is screaming about the defense. The fact is that the Giants were 10th in the league in total offense in 2014, while the Dallas juggernaut led by that awesome OL was 7th - and would it surprise anyone if I told you that Romo was actually sacked MORE OFTEN - one more time anyway - than Eli despite the fact that Eli had 165 MORE pass attempts. You can look it up. On the other hand the defense was 29th and led the league in big plays allowed, was 31st in allowing first downs on 1st or 2nd down and just wasn't very good.

Colin, I have major concerns about the defense, but don't see a surefire difference-maker there at 9 unless Shelton makes it to us, and even he could be a risky pick. I also like Shaq Thompson a lot, but do we want to gamble on Spags finding ways to match him up where his speed will compensate for lack of size when we could get a surer thing at 9?

Do you see any other fits for us on defense at 9? To me guys like Beasley are really 3-4 scheme fits, and Landon Collins is just not "special" imo. I'll argue that Kenny Phillips was at least as good if not a better S prospect than him, and he went 32nd.

Cane et al: Truth be told Cane I make it a point of trying to forget any discussion I ever had with you as quickly as possible. However, I do recall the Seattle game where Lynch ran over the Giants so yeah I think you are onto something - lets fix our offensive line; makes sense to me. Fact is that Seattle is not in their 2nd straight SB because of their running game - fact is their total offense ranked all of one spot ahead of the Giants - its because they have THE best defense in the league. I rest my case. Sheesh!

In comment 12114896 BigBlueCane said:

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The most important players in the two SB wins were either Marginal WR's (Tyree) or mistake prone (Manningham) that played out of their minds that day.

If you think those are the most important players in those Super Bowls, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

For one thing, Justin Tuck could have been the MVP of either one. He was a monster.

Offensively, Hakeem Nicks was the Giants biggest weapon in 46 - Patriots didn't have an answer for him.

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Basketball is a completely different sport so that comparison doesn't hold up. And everyone KNEW Russell was not even close to being the player of Johnson (who still hasn't sniffed a SB yet despite a once in a generation talent BTW). Did they have the opportunity to rebuild the OL before last year? Yep, that's part of the problem, they had numerous opportunities and blew them repeatedly reaching on players they thought had bigger upsides or similar justification. Go look up the draft write-ups, we all know the names. Hell Reese's "JPP of TE" is so talented, he's been passed on the depth chart by two undrafted free Agents. Using Once in a generational talent as your justification doesn't excuse the stupidity of your earlier mistakes. Beckham doesn't cancel out the draft misses on Barden, Beckum, Moss, etc... The most important players in the two SB wins were either Marginal WR's (Tyree) or mistake prone (Manningham) that played out of their minds that day. Dunedin not the same comparison because every team's situation is different. Taking Beckham away from the WR corp would hurt it yes but there's a very good chance that with both Martin and Richburg (which is what I advacoated for) would have meant a stronger Running game which also helps out. And Colin, can you remind me about the discussion we had in the Seattle game about how the game of football has changed and it's no longer about winning in the trenches, I seem to have forgotten about that as I watched Lynch and the OL just bend our defense backwards and run them over.

Previous errors don't justify making another.

No straw man here. If Beckham were Ramses Barden you would be right. But he looks closer to Jerry Rice.

I'm going to clue you in on something else...if you asked Eli Manning himself he'd tell you Beckham was the right pick.

Pj/Yat et al: Indeed, that's the problem with this draft is that doesn't look like there are going to be any real potential impact prospects on defense at least at #9. As you guys noted Collins could be a very useful guy, but I don't see him as being in the Eric Thomas type mold of playmaker. Shelton is also intriguing, but as I said there are worries about his upside as a pass-rusher. There are a bunch of other guys who could move up including Shaq T who is a terrific athlete but has never been much as a pass rusher, and maybe Bud Dupree if he runs under 4.6 or so at the combine, although he is a tad light in the caboose. The guy who ust might intrigue the Giants is Beasley if he can run in the mid-4.5 area. He's always played with his hand on the ground but he's a very good athlete who could end up being a poor man's Von Miller. As I have noted putting him if TC lets Spags do his thing it would be intriguing to see Beasley and Kennard line up on the LOS with orders to get into the bakfield and disrupt. No question though its a conversion.

Are you bringing stats, logic, and reason to the BBI knife fight? You should know better.

I agree that OL is not as dire a need as many think, but I would like to see a more consistent running game. I think the Giants will be looking for an OG in rounds 2 or 3. I like Tomlinson from Duke, and the GMEM appear to be interested in Marpet from Hobart.

In comment 12114937 Colin@gbn said:

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Pj/Yat et al: Indeed, that's the problem with this draft is that doesn't look like there are going to be any real potential impact prospects on defense at least at #9. As you guys noted Collins could be a very useful guy, but I don't see him as being in the Eric Thomas type mold of playmaker. Shelton is also intriguing, but as I said there are worries about his upside as a pass-rusher. There are a bunch of other guys who could move up including Shaq T who is a terrific athlete but has never been much as a pass rusher, and maybe Bud Dupree if he runs under 4.6 or so at the combine, although he is a tad light in the caboose. The guy who ust might intrigue the Giants is Beasley if he can run in the mid-4.5 area. He's always played with his hand on the ground but he's a very good athlete who could end up being a poor man's Von Miller. As I have noted putting him if TC lets Spags do his thing it would be intriguing to see Beasley and Kennard line up on the LOS with orders to get into the bakfield and disrupt. No question though its a conversion.

Colin, where do you see Beasley playing in a 4-3? He seems far to lite for RDE and I have no idea about his coverage ability. If he can play ROLB (both in coverage and moving forward) he would make it that much easier to move on from Williams.

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Small-school standout Ali Marpet putting tiny Hobart College on NFL radars - ( New Window )

just that the overall offense was productive despite it.

We'd help Eli AND the defense a bunch if we could develop a true running attack and dominate time of possession.

But the defense is the biggest area of concern in terms of missing parts...we will need to re-sign JPP, land another DT, perhaps 2 LBs, and at least 1 S in order to be a top 15 defense. That's a heck of a lot more than one really good OL, which is (at minimum) what the offense needs if Schwartz comes back healthy.

In comment 12114951 yatqb said:

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just that the overall offense was productive despite it. We'd help Eli AND the defense a bunch if we could develop a true running attack and dominate time of possession. But the defense is the biggest area of concern in terms of missing parts...we will need to re-sign JPP, land another DT, perhaps 2 LBs, and at least 1 S in order to be a top 15 defense. That's a heck of a lot more than one really good OL, which is (at minimum) what the offense needs if Schwartz comes back healthy.

Oh I never said he did. I think he is just saying that it doesn't "require" a 1st round pick as many on this site think.

I agree with everything you just posted. The running game needs to be more consistent and that is an indictment of the line play, but I think upgrading the OG position (specifically LG) does that. If you move Pugh there, then you get a RT in FA. If Pugh stays at RT I would sign a OG in FA and draft one as well.

The defense absolutely needs more playmakers. Aside from JPP, no one on that front 7 scares anyone. Hankins had a good year, but he is not a disruptive pass rusher, despite his 6 sacks. Kennard is a nice young LOLB, but I'm not ready to anoint him yet. Drafting a disruptive player in the front 7 makes total sense, I just don't know who that player is at #9. I like Randy Gregory and Leonard Williams a great deal, but they ain't making it out of the top 5.

I'm pretty sure Seattle's running game is a big reason why they're in position to win a Second straight SB run. I could be wrong about that but I don't think so.

Terps, The irony in your statement is that Reese is poised to do exactly that by neglecting again in favor of another 'playmaker' despite history telling everyone to do likewise is insanity.

Maybe Beckham is Jerry Rice, I don't think he is, I think he'll need to mature quite a bit before attempting that comparison. And regardless, him being on the field doesn't put John Jerry on the bench which is still a major negative.
Fix the OLL and build a good team, and maybe the 'transgenerational' talent this is Odell Beckham will get his chance to wear a ring.

Otherwise he gets to join a long list of supremely talented players, arguably amongst the most gifted athletes every to play the game at their position who didn't because they didn't have good enough teams around them to help. And that would be shame regardless of your feelings on the matter.

To me it's a good argument for shelling out some big dough to JPP, to Suh or Paea, and to McCourty.

Re-sign Eli, free up cap space, and get some of those guys in their primes to beef up the D. That allows us to go in any direction in the 1st round.

Just to clarify my position such as it on the offensive line; there is no question that that group still needs some work. In particular, you just aren't going very far with the likes of Walton and Jerry at C and G. Indeed, you need at least one more solid starter at C/G and at least one more G/T for depth (if not a couple). But as a general rule you can find those types of pieces in free agency (and just because it didn't work with Walton and Jerry doesn't mean you don't keep trying). In addition, you can never ever go into a season assuming that a rookie will be ready to start so even if the Giants did take an OL at this year's draft they are still almost forced to sign a veteran or two just in case. I also would not rule out the Giants taking an OL with their top pick, but IF a) an OL was the only player left in their top level when they got on the clock at #9; or b) if they literally threw up their collective hands and said there won't be much at #9 on either defense or the skill positions on offense so why don't we just suck it up an take an OL and see if we can fix the OL once and for all and indeed adding a guy like Scherff wouldn't be the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise. However, I would be very surprised if the Giants went into the draft targeting the OL from the get-go as they did with CB in 2001, the DL in 2003, DBs in 2007 and WR in 2009.

At the same time, I confess as I did above that I have no idea who the Giants are going to take with their opening round. My guess is that even the Giants don't have much of an idea who their final pick will be at this point. But I do mocks for a living and had to take someone when I got to #9. And I certainly don't think that the Giants are going to go to the draft planning to draft a WR per se with their top pick. We've heard from more than one of our sources that they think that Parker would have been a top 5 lock this year if he hadn't been injured.

The bottom line, though, is that as Dave Sy has preached on more than one occasion the one thing you can take to the bank when the Giants get on the clock is that they will stay true to their board. As such, the real trick to figuring out their draft at this point is to try and figure out which players are going to be in their top row rather than howling at the moon about this or that player or position that they "just have to take" or coversely will never take.

None of us do. When Reese talked about an OG vs. a playmaker he was talking Martin Vs. Beckham, not about this year's draft. He's a guy who doesn't show his cards too often, and frankly typically drafts for need. Each playmaker he drafted in Rd. 1 was a need guy (the CBs, WRs and DEs, for example,and even Wilson, I'd suggest). But so were Pugh, Beatty, Richburg, Hankins and Joseph. I recognize that there is only one 1st rounder in that group, but the others were 2s.

In comment 12115024 Colin@gbn said:

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Just to clarify my position such as it on the offensive line; there is no question that that group still needs some work. In particular, you just aren't going very far with the likes of Walton and Jerry at C and G. Indeed, you need at least one more solid starter at C/G and at least one more G/T for depth (if not a couple). But as a general rule you can find those types of pieces in free agency (and just because it didn't work with Walton and Jerry doesn't mean you don't keep trying). In addition, you can never ever go into a season assuming that a rookie will be ready to start so even if the Giants did take an OL at this year's draft they are still almost forced to sign a veteran or two just in case. I also would not rule out the Giants taking an OL with their top pick, but IF a) an OL was the only player left in their top level when they got on the clock at #9; or b) if they literally threw up their collective hands and said there won't be much at #9 on either defense or the skill positions on offense so why don't we just suck it up an take an OL and see if we can fix the OL once and for all and indeed adding a guy like Scherff wouldn't be the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise. However, I would be very surprised if the Giants went into the draft targeting the OL from the get-go as they did with CB in 2001, the DL in 2003, DBs in 2007 and WR in 2009. At the same time, I confess as I did above that I have no idea who the Giants are going to take with their opening round. My guess is that even the Giants don't have much of an idea who their final pick will be at this point. But I do mocks for a living and had to take someone when I got to #9. And I certainly don't think that the Giants are going to go to the draft planning to draft a WR per se with their top pick. We've heard from more than one of our sources that they think that Parker would have been a top 5 lock this year if he hadn't been injured. The bottom line, though, is that as Dave Sy has preached on more than one occasion the one thing you can take to the bank when the Giants get on the clock is that they will stay true to their board. As such, the real trick to figuring out their draft at this point is to try and figure out which players are going to be in their top row rather than howling at the moon about this or that player or position that they "just have to take" or coversely will never take.

It took me a while Colin to come around and appreciate your perspective and expertise, but looking back at history and commentary (from Reese and others) I believe this is 100% spot on.

Best post I've read in a long time.

it doesn't mean he's the best player available. It means we have a great passer who needs not just Beckham but someone so good that they can't completely focus on Odell. It would mean that they don't feel confident that Cruz will return to his old form..

and needs some good coaching on technique. The desire needs to be there most of all. A year in the weight room can help his cause. Peat @ LT and Beatty @ RT makes alot of since. That would fix the guard situation with Pugh and Schwartz inside. Also gives some flexibility on the line.

I think he's gonna be great. I guess the 40 times will tell us more.

but it doesn't appear any help will surface at #9, unless Dupree lights it up or they decide one of the situational edge rushers is too talented to pass up.

He starts to run out of gas, his movement and footwork fails, he starts grabbing at defenders and falling down, as Phil noted.

He's not Ogden II, but he's my LT target.

when our issues are at the guard position. We dont need to draft a tackle and them move Pugh to guard.. We need to just draft a guard.. period..

and based on the youtube clips I have seen I like White better than Parker..

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He starts to run out of gas, his movement and footwork fails, he starts grabbing at defenders and falling down, as Phil noted. He's not Ogden II, but he's my LT target.

He's flashed 'Ogden-like' ability in shutting down some amazing edge rushers like Anthony Barr who he absolutely dominated. But then has been beaten badly a couple times too (especially this year). If the Giants think it's mostly correctable stuff and they can get him to play to his immense potential with consistency, then he's worth the pick for sure.

I honestly think the kid is just growing up and CAN become a dominant 'near-Ogden' NFL LT. The way this kid plays when the 'light bulb' is on is a sight to behold.

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when our issues are at the guard position. We dont need to draft a tackle and them move Pugh to guard.. We need to just draft a guard.. period.. and based on the youtube clips I have seen I like White better than Parker..

I like White too but I can see why the Giants may like Parker more. Parker has more sloppiness to his game but he cleaned some of that up this year and has the higher overall upside.

In the draft, your perspective should be a) longer term and b) maximizing the talent you pick.

If OG is that urgent, they'll sign via UFA.

Btw, the team views RT as more urgent than OG.

read between the lines on Reese's recent comments. They want a better RT, and when you're picking #9 in a draft where LT might be your best player you grab him and start preparing the release papers for Beatty in '16.

If that holds true, a WR or DE sounds good to me.

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In the draft, your perspective should be a) longer term and b) maximizing the talent you pick. If OG is that urgent, they'll sign via UFA. Btw, the team views RT as more urgent than OG.

Rogers Gaines, bitches!

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Is this a serious comment?

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In the draft, your perspective should be a) longer term and b) maximizing the talent you pick. If OG is that urgent, they'll sign via UFA. Btw, the team views RT as more urgent than OG.

JonC I totally get that.. You always have to think long term and maximizing the talent you pick.. totally true.. but IMO you dont spend a top ten pick on a RT or a G.. And I dont know if any of these LT's are worth a top ten pick.. a top ten LT to me is not a guy who needs work.. or needs to clean up all his issue.. IMO a top ten LT is step in and start DAY ONE period..

And in the Giants case I dont see the purpose in drafting a LT to play him at RT and them move Pugh to G a position he as never played so that in two years you can them move that RT to LT.. Thats not a line fix to me.. that creating a constant game of musical chairs.

I keep saying that a OL is as much about cohesiveness and continuity.. why was our OL so good from 2007-2010.. it wasnt just the talent.. it was because they played together and developed cohesion..

I have no dog in the fight.. I just want them to get the best player they can.. This year the #1 pick has to be a step in and start DAY ONE impact player.. You dont get top ten picks very often.. or at least you shouldnt.. unfortunately this looks a very very red chip draft..

Who will take over for Beatty at LT at some point. Happens all the time. Ever hear of Tyron Smith? Greg Robinson?

of thinking a Peat might be relatively equal to a blue chip LT picked a year ago, for example.

Peat is the only LT I see potentially worthy at #9, he is a day 1 starter and plenty good enough. I know others really like Collins and/or Scherff, but they're RTs in my book and I'd pass at #9 unless they're clearly BPA (which I doubt, and Reese confirmed his philosophy in plain English regarding playmakers over certain OL).

Musical chairs is often part of the unit growing pains, and frequently unavoidable, in part, because the salary cap and player contracts are a component/constraint in the overall process.

It is what it is, if Peat is the best player at #9, he makes complete sense to me. Beatty is serviceable at LT, as Pugh is at RT, but BOTH are ultimately upgradeable and you need to leap at the few chances to get to do so.

Andrus has proven he can absolutely engulf and neutralize some damn good pass rushers and he did it very quickly/early in his college career at LT. This is strictly a light bulb kid. If the Giants believe they can keep that bulb turned 'on' then they have themselves a perennial pro-bowl LT IMO.

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It will make Cruz and Randle better It will make the RBs better. It will make Eli better. It will even make OBJ better. No WR can do all that. Go OLine in the 1st.

Beckham did just that and more. He single-handedly transformed the NYG offense in 2014. It was bad in the beginning of the year. Functional at worst and even good down the stretch. Beckham was the biggest reason why.

Draft talent with some exceptions... Don't draft positions.