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Terrence Knighton - Broncos

Andy in Boston : 1/29/2015 9:16 am
I believe he's an UFA....haven't seen much written about him here. I think he would be a great addition....nice player and 6'3 335lbs. Him and Hankins would be a nice wall and I think one of the better and bigger starting DT units in the league. He gave the Giants fits a couple years ago in New York. It goes against their philosophy a little, to spend alot of money on a DT...which is why they let Linval Joseph go, but I'm not sure Knighton's cost will be that high. Thoughts?
He grew up in Connecticut  
Kevin in CT : 1/29/2015 9:20 am : link
So he may want to come closer to home. By all accounts from friends that know him said he is a class act and that he busted his ass to get into the league.
They typically spend the dollars on pass rushers  
JonC : 1/29/2015 9:20 am : link
Canty got the big contract because he could play inside and outside, otherwise they typically don't spend on UFA DTs.
A guy like Knighton paired with Hankins  
BLUATHRT : 1/29/2015 9:20 am : link
would immediately make the middle of D, 10x better. I think he will cost a ton.
RE: They typically spend the dollars on pass rushers  
TomTom : 1/29/2015 9:22 am : link
In comment 12114139 JonC said:
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Canty got the big contract because he could play inside and outside, otherwise they typically don't spend on UFA DTs.


Not sure that's true, they did sign Rocky Bernard to significant dollars, Fred Robbins too.
Broncos would be foolish to let him go  
BigBluDawg : 1/29/2015 9:24 am : link
They are switching back to a 3-4 defense and he is their starting NT.
RE: RE: They typically spend the dollars on pass rushers  
Klaatu : 1/29/2015 9:30 am : link
In comment 12114141 TomTom said:
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In comment 12114139 JonC said:


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Canty got the big contract because he could play inside and outside, otherwise they typically don't spend on UFA DTs.



Not sure that's true, they did sign Rocky Bernard to significant dollars, Fred Robbins too.


Not to mention Jenkins and Patterson.

As Pat Traina wrote today (check DefenderDawg's thread), the Giants should use free agency for a DT upgrade. Suh and Paea may be too expensive, but there will be other, less expensive options.
Don't  
AcidTest : 1/29/2015 9:31 am : link
think the Broncos will let him go, and he will cost a ton. Paea will also be expensive. Of course, Paea would already be a Giant if we had taken him instead of Marvin Austin. Great.
Broncos are moving to a 3-4  
Andy in Boston : 1/29/2015 9:34 am : link
He could certainly play the nose....but he may want to stay with a 4-3. With all the change there (Wade Phillips coming in, Del Rio gone, new HC, uncertainty with Peyton - he may want out). Knighton can rush the passer as well...he absolutely pushes the pocket. I think him and Hankins are similar "types" of players.
Define significant  
JonC : 1/29/2015 9:39 am : link
I'm talking modern market rate dollars.

Rocky and Robbins weren't paid at that level. To further my point, they were viewed as pass rushing DTs who could play reps at DE in some looks.
Dudes  
JonC : 1/29/2015 9:40 am : link
Jenkins earns a couple mil per, Rocky earned what $3M at his peak? Robbins earned more but he was viewed as a pass rushing DT.

If Knighton is potentially looking at $7-8M per? Fuggedaboddit, you're thinking with your hearts.
JonC  
Andy in Boston : 1/29/2015 9:48 am : link
the Giants are going to have $$ to spend, even after they get JPP resigned... Especially if Beason takes a pay cut and they release Kiwi, Jenkins and restructure Eli; and the cap is going up this year. They're not going to spend a frenzy like last year, but they're going to be able to get a couple of nice players on defense (LB, S DL) and an offensive lineman.
Andy  
JonC : 1/29/2015 9:50 am : link
I don't think you've accurately mapped out their projected cap space ... Reese has a ton of holes to fill, the space will dry up quickly.
RE: Dudes  
Fast Eddie : 1/29/2015 9:51 am : link
In comment 12114190 JonC said:
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Jenkins earns a couple mil per, Rocky earned what $3M at his peak? Robbins earned more but he was viewed as a pass rushing DT.

If Knighton is potentially looking at $7-8M per? Fuggedaboddit, you're thinking with your hearts.


Donny Brasco would agree
Monitor the projected UFA price tags  
JonC : 1/29/2015 9:53 am : link
If Knighton could be had for $4-5M? I could see it. But, at market dollars, not likely.
Def all for it  
muhajir : 1/29/2015 10:33 am : link
Actually a couple of former Broncos that would look good in blue. Him, the Olineman.. Orlando?.. id even look to bring back Trindon Holliday.
JonC  
Andy in Boston : 1/29/2015 10:35 am : link
based on what some of the cap "experts" have posted on here over the past few months, and based on projected cuts/pay cuts...I'm under the impression the Giants are going to have somewhere in the $16-26 million to spend this year...this is witout an ELI restructure which will probably happen. And who knows what they will decide to do with Beatty? JPP will be in the $12-14 million per year range.
So what kind of bucks do you invest in a 29 year-old  
Big Blue '56 : 1/29/2015 10:36 am : link
DT? What's the market?

I know they need an upgrade here  
Curtis in VA : 1/29/2015 10:37 am : link
but I don't see it coming in the form of a top rate FA. I see that money going into the OL, LB and Safety position.
Reese paid alot  
muhajir : 1/29/2015 10:38 am : link
Of money for Canty who yes could kick out to DE but was here to be a DT. Hes also used quite a few 2nd rd picks on DT's so Reese no doubt highly values the position. I dont see why it would be out of the norm to pay up if they think hes worth it.

Then go DE and Oline first two rounds... get a little corn on the Cobb from GB.. bing bang boom we're in business
JonC  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 10:39 am : link
You think they will get JPP signed?

If not, what do you think about a guy like Brandon Graham form the Eagles? Could he (or another UFA out there) be a cheaper and acceptable alternative?
RE: JonC  
Big Blue '56 : 1/29/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12114329 bc4life said:
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You think they will get JPP signed?

If not, what do you think about a guy like Brandon Graham form the Eagles? Could he (or another UFA out there) be a cheaper and acceptable alternative?


I'm still on the sign Suh and let JPP walk(unless Abrams can work his magic for BOTH) bandwagon..The idea of the strongest middle in the NFL which, domino-wise, will cause all kinds of havoc, imo, is very exciting to contemplate..Whether it's doable or has a chance to get done is moot, but it's my fervent wish..
re: their DT rotation now  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 10:42 am : link
they have one DT who can play run and pass effectively. Think Patterson is done. Jenkins is a pass rushing rotational guy at this point. Kuhn has peaked and his peak is not high enough.

Bromley still has to show he can be the run stuffer they need him to be. I think he can. Physically gifted, hard worker, seems to know what he needs to work on. But, as of this writing, don't think he's there yet.
I'd be okay with a Suh - JPP  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 10:43 am : link
trade off, but Suh will be too expensive.
Andy  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:00 am : link
JPP eats a big chunk of that space, and at that point how many players are under contract? They're not spending market dollars on a DT, mark my words. They might need TWO DEs when UFA is underway.

bc, I don't think they re-sign JPP unless there's a significant compromise. ~$12M per ballpark. If he departs, it leaves TWO holes at DE, both of which are much more urgent than DT.

Graham is basically the opposite of the NYG DE paradigm : short, stocky, not great at POA, he's a tweener. I know he had some big BBI fans in the draft, but I was told there was no interest and drafting JPP confirmed what I suspected at the time.

Suh is ultimately too expensive to deploy in a 4-3  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:02 am : link
Spags designs around edge pressure, overloads, zone blitzes. He needs DEs, OLBs, and DBs who can play downhill and still be able to play in space, come up in support and make tackles.
In a no cap league, Suh and Knighton make a ton of sense  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:02 am : link
in a finite cap league, not so much.
I wouldn't overpay for JPP  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:06 am : link
great rookie year, then two injury plagued years, and this year he turned it on, but still was more dominant in the run game. The physical gifts are clear, but, I wonder if he overrates his play on the field.
RE: Suh is ultimately too expensive to deploy in a 4-3  
Big Blue '56 : 1/29/2015 11:06 am : link
In comment 12114392 JonC said:
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Spags designs around edge pressure, overloads, zone blitzes. He needs DEs, OLBs, and DBs who can play downhill and still be able to play in space, come up in support and make tackles.


I think Spags could manage to work in Suh very well..It's still football and your best players get things done..LT would have been brilliant in 4-3 as well..Top notch talent is always utilized..There's no downside to having a still young best in the game DT at your disposal..

Money is another issue, but I can assure you that Spags would find a way to utilize one of the best D players in the game
any decent ufa DEs  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:07 am : link
out there?
Bruce  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:08 am : link
In a cap league, you simply can't afford to pay everyone. Choices must be made, priority positions get the money invested. It's really that simple. Your post indicates you're looking at the macro, and not the micro.

bc  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:09 am : link
I wouldn't overpay him either, and three of us heard offline that the brass is fully aware that ~$10M in cap space could go to signing 3-4 productive defenders via UFA.

The problem is it leaves a big hole at DE, and replacing Kiwanuka makes two.
RE: Broncos would be foolish to let him go  
jeff57 : 1/29/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12114147 BigBluDawg said:
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They are switching back to a 3-4 defense and he is their starting NT.


Yeah, I think he's more of a necessity than before the Phillips hire.
Disagree  
Big Blue '56 : 1/29/2015 11:14 am : link
100%...If they can work it out financially and let JPP walk, I believe they''d be able to do it..You've got lots of money to work with especially with a new contract for Eli..They wouldn't be hamstrung with signing JPP long term, but they would with a few mill more per year with a Suh? How they might amortize is their area of expertise...

That's if they want Suh in the first place

Sigh  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:15 am : link
forget it.
wonder  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:16 am : link
what Spags thinks of Wynn, Ayers, and Moore?
This  
AcidTest : 1/29/2015 11:19 am : link
team has a truckload of holes, and limited funds, even if Eli is restructured, and Kiwi, Walton, and Beason are released. Those funds get smaller if we resign or franchise JPP. We also have to start thinking about a long term deal for Prince. There just isn't enough money to get a good G, DT, LB, and S in FA. And Mara has already said they aren't going on a spending spree like they did last year.

Jerry's going to do what Jerry does: one or two good FAs, along with a whole slew of cheap vets and hope somebody outperforms expectations. So get ready for the next wave of the likes of Ross, Jerry, Brown, Walton, etc. That and the draft.

If there's any good news, it's that, assuming we can resign Thurmond, we are good at CB.

As somebody said, outside of QB and CB, you can make a case for almost any other position in the first round. Our talent pool is that poor, and that thin.
bc  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:22 am : link
I'd wager he sees three rotational DEs. Wynn is stout and has demonstrated he can be a physical presence, but will he develop into a player who makes a difference versus good OL? Ayers is effective at limited reps, but gets dinged often. Moore has the edge rusher talent but still makes repeated dumb mental errors, and failing to properly and consistently set the edge are reasons why he sits.
sounds like agood argument  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:25 am : link
for a look at DE in round 1 or 2 - anyone look worth the #9 pick or 2nd - 3rd round?
Giants were looking at older vets like Kevin Williams last year  
BigBluDawg : 1/29/2015 11:26 am : link
I expect much of the same this year looking at older vets like Redding, C.J. Mosley and Tommy Kelly to go with the young guys in Hankins and Bromley.
Kelly is  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:29 am : link
34 or 35?
bc  
JonC : 1/29/2015 11:30 am : link
It's still early but it's looking lean this year.

Dawg, exactly. Don't get me wrong, this defense has one good DT to build around. But, that's a position where they simply choose to not spend big dollars.
There are also some slightly younger guys  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:32 am : link
Dan Williams, Pat Sims
what about Fairlee  
bc4life : 1/29/2015 11:35 am : link
and what ever came of that issue with his feet (pre-draft talk)?
RE: Andy  
Optimus-NY : 1/29/2015 11:24 pm : link
In comment 12114208 JonC said:
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I don't think you've accurately mapped out their projected cap space ... Reese has a ton of holes to fill, the space will dry up quickly.


Exactly.
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