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sphinx : 1/30/2015 10:04 am
Jordan Raanan 2 minutes ago
Archie Manning thinks Eli would retire if he had to leave the #Giants
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Great so Reese  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/30/2015 10:06 am : link
Has all the leverage to get him signed for under 15M a year
shut the fuck up archie!  
ron mexico : 1/30/2015 10:07 am : link
- Tom Cordon
Vet min  
Joey from GlenCove : 1/30/2015 10:11 am : link
We have all the leverage
Seeing Eli in another uniform  
djl8699 : 1/30/2015 10:14 am : link
would be as blasphemous as seeing Derek Jeter in another uniform.
The Giants would NEVER  
Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2015 10:15 am : link
undercut Eli..They will still make him a highly paid QB..There is no leverage either way..Would never come into play, imo
5yrs/$6 bucks  
GiantFilthy : 1/30/2015 10:15 am : link
Get it done.
Nothing would make me happier  
exiled : 1/30/2015 10:16 am : link
than to see Eli retire a Giant--no time soon, however.
Pretty refreshing  
joeinpa : 1/30/2015 10:20 am : link
in this day and age to learn that one of the guys you root for, cares as much about the team as you do.
RE: Great so Reese  
djm : 1/30/2015 10:25 am : link
In comment 12115675 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Has all the leverage to get him signed for under 15M a year


Except it doesn't work that way...
RE: Pretty refreshing  
Devon : 1/30/2015 10:27 am : link
In comment 12115699 joeinpa said:
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in this day and age to learn that one of the guys you root for, cares as much about the team as you do.


Which is probably exactly why Archie is saying this.

It's good PR, especially when the extension's [surface] numbers are likely to make a lot of people flip out whenever they do the deal/announce it.
I dont think  
dep026 : 1/30/2015 10:31 am : link
there was much doubt to this.

In 25 years, Eli might bot be in the air of the Jeters. Riveras, the Ruths of New York...... but even his critics and doubters will hold him to the highest regard.
RE: Seeing Eli in another uniform  
Deej : 1/30/2015 10:33 am : link
In comment 12115690 djl8699 said:
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would be as blasphemous as seeing Derek Jeter in another uniform.


Meh. Peyton, Montana, and Farve all moved on and started elsewhere. If the Giants decide to blow things up in a year or two, I'd have no problem if Eli played elsewhere.

I really dont understand the fetishization of guys playing for only one team. Is it to support some narrative that Eli is really a Giant at heart, whereas Peyton is just another mercenary football player?
RE: Vet min  
Giants2012 : 1/30/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12115687 Joey from GlenCove said:
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We have all the leverage


Lol

Agreed
RE: RE: Seeing Eli in another uniform  
arcarsenal : 1/30/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12115712 Deej said:
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In comment 12115690 djl8699 said:


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would be as blasphemous as seeing Derek Jeter in another uniform.



Meh. Peyton, Montana, and Farve all moved on and started elsewhere. If the Giants decide to blow things up in a year or two, I'd have no problem if Eli played elsewhere.

I really dont understand the fetishization of guys playing for only one team. Is it to support some narrative that Eli is really a Giant at heart, whereas Peyton is just another mercenary football player?


I think it's special in this day and age to have it happen because it's so difficult to do. I love that Strahan never played anywhere else. It just sucks seeing these guys in other uniforms even if it ultimately doesn't matter. Seeing Armstead in a Redskins uniform sucked.

Selfishly, I'd just prefer to never see Eli in another uniform. It's just a fan thing. Some people care, some people don't.
RE: 5yrs/$6 bucks  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12115692 GiantFilthy said:
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Get it done.


Genies are literal.

What would Eli do with 6 bucks?

10ball is never going anywhere  
NYG007 : 1/30/2015 10:50 am : link
other than here. If he rides out his deal this year and is bad (which after simply his first year in a new O, with a terrible line and no Cruz, he was still excellent mins the SF game) he would retire if the Giants moved on. I dont see any shot of Eli not being here 3 more years
Woulld hate to relive the Simms departure  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/30/2015 11:08 am : link
that was a disgraceful and sad day.
What did  
Doomster : 1/30/2015 11:13 am : link
Stafford get? Flaaco? Kaepernick? Cutler? Ryan?

Eli just had one of his better "statistical" years, not an elite one.....and he did it with a woeful OL and running attack.....having OBj finally play, sure helped....sounds like Archie is setting the table for his son for an expensive extension....no way Eli is taking less than those other guys....we will be paying for this a few years down the road, big time....
Softening the blow that's to come  
JonC : 1/30/2015 11:17 am : link
in the news of Eli's new Condon-driven monster pact. $24M per, anyone?
RE: What did  
okiegiant : 1/30/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12115785 Doomster said:
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Stafford get? Flaaco? Kaepernick? Cutler? Ryan?

Eli just had one of his better "statistical" years, not an elite one.....and he did it with a woeful OL and running attack.....having OBj finally play, sure helped....sounds like Archie is setting the table for his son for an expensive extension....no way Eli is taking less than those other guys....we will be paying for this a few years down the road, big time....


Manning will certainly get market value, and all the QB's who sign deals over the next few years will as well. All teams have to pay down the road...it's how the system is.

Another Championship, which Manning is capable of bringing, would sure make the payments easier.
GiantFilthy  
Bob in Vt : 1/30/2015 11:25 am : link
What did the doe say when she came out of the woods ?

"I'll never do that for 6 bucks again"

;)
Anybody expecting less than 16-17m is going to be sorely disappointed.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/30/2015 11:28 am : link
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nice sentiment, but I call utter BS  
Matt M. : 1/30/2015 11:35 am : link
This is posturing to try to get a favorable extension. If the unlikely scenario played out where the Giants didn't extend Eli and either trade him or let him walk as a FA, he isn't retiring in the prime of his career.
The bidding STARTS  
Doomster : 1/30/2015 11:35 am : link
at 20M.....Big Ben, Rivers, and Eli all have their contracts end at the same time......so I think Each are waiting on who goes first to see who sets the base line....
Eli will probably finish his career elsewhere  
81_Great_Dane : 1/30/2015 11:41 am : link
and we'll all be okay with it when it happens because his successor will be ready to play.
RE: 5yrs/$6 bucks  
Tom from LI : 1/30/2015 11:43 am : link
In comment 12115692 GiantFilthy said:
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Get it done.


$1 signing bonus
I'm not saying Archie  
pjcas18 : 1/30/2015 11:55 am : link
is speaking for Eli or not and I have no idea if he meant it literally.

but, how does this possibly set Eli up for a "better extension"?

If anything it worsens his stance, since Archie effectively eliminated any competition, it's Giants or retire and Eli would have to walk from the Giants take or leave it offer.

Now I doubt it comes to that and I don't think this is really even considered when the Giants negotiate, but my point was it doesn't help Eli.

And I agree, when he signs this extension he'll probably be the highest paid QB in the league. Like every other franchise QB after they sign their new deal (except Brady).
I disagree...  
Doomster : 1/30/2015 12:00 pm : link
By saying this, it makes the Giants look bad if they don't make a "fair" offer.....like I said, I wond who will sign first, from the big three.....

And besides, what does Archie say, that has to do with contract negotiations for Eli? Absolutely nuthin'.....
Two Key Points...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/30/2015 12:18 pm : link
1. This is what ARCHIE thinks, not necessarily what ELI thinks.

2. Even if Eli does think this way today, if the Giants didn't want him and Eli thought he could still play, would he really pass up the $15 - $20 million offers he would likely get from other teams with shitty QBs?
what this means is  
nyynyg : 1/30/2015 12:33 pm : link
the contract is almost done between Eli and the Giants. That is a perfect PR move to say that for Eli. Giant for life blah blah, and easy to say when you know he is getting a new deal inked right now. Sure Archie knows exactly where things stand...
RE: The Giants would NEVER  
Reb8thVA : 1/30/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12115691 Big Blue '56 said:
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undercut Eli..They will still make him a highly paid QB..There is no leverage either way..Would never come into play, imo


Agreed! Anyone who things otherwise doesn't know the organization or Mara family
Good to hear  
ZogZerg : 1/30/2015 12:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: The Giants would NEVER  
rebel yell : 1/30/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12116001 Reb8thVA said:
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In comment 12115691 Big Blue '56 said:


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undercut Eli..They will still make him a highly paid QB..There is no leverage either way..Would never come into play, imo



Agreed! Anyone who things otherwise doesn't know the organization or Mara family

Piling on and in violent agreement (and not just cuz' you're Reb). That's what makes the New York Football Giants a great organization. Eli is a class act too.
RE: Two Key Points...  
T-Bone : 1/30/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12115943 Jim in Tampa said:
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1. This is what ARCHIE thinks, not necessarily what ELI thinks.

2. Even if Eli does think this way today, if the Giants didn't want him and Eli thought he could still play, would he really pass up the $15 - $20 million offers he would likely get from other teams with shitty QBs?


Agree 100% with this post.
RE: What did  
Randy in CT : 1/30/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12115785 Doomster said:
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Stafford get? Flaaco? Kaepernick? Cutler? Ryan?

Eli just had one of his better "statistical" years, not an elite one.....and he did it with a woeful OL and running attack.....having OBj finally play, sure helped....sounds like Archie is setting the table for his son for an expensive extension....no way Eli is taking less than those other guys....we will be paying for this a few years down the road, big time....
Great point. And the previous year he had a good year but a bad statistical one? Give the doom and gloom a rest occasionally?
Nope...  
Doomster : 1/30/2015 1:29 pm : link
Great point. And the previous year he had a good year but a bad statistical one? Give the doom and gloom a rest occasionally?


The previous year he had a good year?

Has absolutely nothing to do with doom and gloom....it's a fact of life......Eli is the best qb we ever had.....and we are going to pay to keep him.....his contract is and will be an albatross around this teams's neck.....that's what happens with a franchise qb....you have to pay to keep them....
RE: Anybody expecting less than 16-17m is going to be sorely disappointed.  
ron mexico : 1/30/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12115815 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I would be giddy if we could get it done for under 20 a year
Bob in VT  
Bones : 1/30/2015 2:14 pm : link
Good one.
I believe it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/30/2015 2:27 pm : link
Eli is all class.
You never know what the future will bring.  
idol-mind : 1/30/2015 2:51 pm : link
Lots of guys seem like one-team players.

If Eli landed in a situation like Peyton's where he missed a year and the Giants nabbed a can't-miss QB with the #1 overall pick, would he really just ride off into the sunset?

If he wound up in a Phil Simms scenario where he missed the Super Bowl and we won with Nassib, would he sit still and play a backup role the next season?

If the Giants tank next year and clean house, would Eli really retire at the age of 35 rather than go to a team that's a quarterback away from making a championship run?

I hope Eli retires a Giant, and it's nice that he seems to have such an attachment to the franchise, but there are a million ways he could wind up in another uniform before his career is over.
RE: shut the fuck up archie!  
chris r : 1/30/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12115677 ron mexico said:
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- Tom Cordon


Lol, thought the same thing.
Its not like Eli needs the money  
Hammer : 1/30/2015 4:26 pm : link
and I'd bet a dollar to a donut that he and his wife are comfortable raising their family in whatever area they have chosen.

Considering the fact that he has made a fortune, he doesn't seem like someone that has to live in the fast lane, and plays in a brutal sport it makes sense that he would be willing to pack it in if the Giants didn't want to pay him enough to make it worth his while to play for them.
Eli is the greatest Giant who ever lived..........  
Dry Lightning : 1/30/2015 4:52 pm : link
He is the second greatest PLAYER who ever played for the Giants. But factoring in class, honor, playing, and representing this team the way it should be, he stands alone. I think he has some great chapters left in him.........sign him up for the final stage of a hall of fame career. I would never want to see him in another uniform.
RE: Eli is the greatest Giant who ever lived..........  
Mad Mike : 1/30/2015 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12116421 Dry Lightning said:
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He is the second greatest PLAYER who ever played for the Giants.

No, he's not.
crappy thread  
Tark10 : 1/30/2015 5:42 pm : link
delete for something constructive..
When Eli does retire  
Mike in Philly : 1/30/2015 8:12 pm : link
do you see him coaching or broadcasting?
RE: When Eli does retire  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/30/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12116514 Mike in Philly said:
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do you see him coaching or broadcasting?


Neither, to be honest. I think he's going to be perfectly happy disappearing.
RE: RE: When Eli does retire  
sphinx : 1/30/2015 9:26 pm : link
In comment 12116527 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12116514 Mike in Philly said:
Quote:do you see him coaching or broadcasting?


Neither, to be honest. I think he's going to be perfectly happy disappearing.

Me too
RE: Great so Reese  
TMS : 1/30/2015 9:36 pm : link
In comment 12115675 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Has all the leverage to get him signed for under 15M a year
Thats a laugh, ELI would have won a couple of more SBs if Reese had not been the GM.
RE: RE: Great so Reese  
Mason : 1/30/2015 9:45 pm : link
In comment 12116552 TMS said:
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In comment 12115675 CromartiesKid21 said:


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Has all the leverage to get him signed for under 15M a year

Thats a laugh, ELI would have won a couple of more SBs if Reese had not been the GM.


Yeah because those 2005, 2006 Giants look like world beaters in the NFL. Stupid keep posting stupid.
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SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2015 1:18 pm : link
The Mannings are notorious for not leaving a $ on the table.
Grimaldis better get into the franchising gig fast  
glowrider : 1/31/2015 1:29 pm : link
Peyton can't make all the cheese...
In today's day and age  
Spock : 1/31/2015 3:04 pm : link
Of cap limits, you cannot give one or two people so much money that ultimately ties your hands to get other quality people to fill in.

Imo, Eli's salary cannot be so huge that prevents us from adding necessary good players, albeit not superstars.
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christian : 1/31/2015 3:34 pm : link
Peyton could walk away from Indy and pick right back up with Denver and make equal to better money. Eli is probably a little overvalued by New York, which we are all fine with. But he's not the generational player his brother is. If he takes a "fair" deal from the Giants it's not going to be under market, probably just right at market, with no thank you for the Super Bowls folded in. I also do believe Eli strongly wants to stay in New York. Obviously his brand value is helped by being in New York and he's successfully shed the negativity of wiggling away from San Diego. He's got nothing to gain from publicly squeezing the Giants for above market money and looking a weasel some would argue for the second big time in his career.
Nothing to gain?  
ron mexico : 1/31/2015 3:43 pm : link
How about sll that extra money?
The problem is most people don't actually realize what the market  
Devon : 1/31/2015 4:14 pm : link
is. Almost every post on BBI alone about QB contracts demonstrates that (well, that and that most people also don't understand cap hits vs what a player actually makes/made).

Manning will get market value, probably higher end because the sticks always move every time a new deal is signed, and people will flip out about how he's overpaid, selfish, etc, completely oblivious to that it was, actually, just market price.
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