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NFT: Mitt Romney not running in 2016

Headhunter : 1/30/2015 11:03 am
Posting it as breaking news.
Who gets binders of women?  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/30/2015 11:11 am : link
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I would say Cam,  
GiantFilthy : 1/30/2015 11:12 am : link
but he done fucked up.
So hes  
spike : 1/30/2015 11:13 am : link
Done
WTF!!!  
Bleedin Blue : 1/30/2015 11:16 am : link
I was looking forward to the new reality show First Ladies!! Damn!!!
does that mean  
TJ : 1/30/2015 11:38 am : link
Jeb gets the big money guys?
and if he does  
TJ : 1/30/2015 11:39 am : link
and he wins, does Mitt get Sec State?
Romney is a good man...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2015 11:43 am : link
I think he had the goods to have been a solid president.

Alas, this gives that Jeb Bush a bigger opening. The last thing the GOP, and the nation needs, is another Bush...I'm a big subscriber of Bush Fatigue.

I just hope Clinton Fatigue grows, too...She's the very last option this country needs...
Who gives a shit  
Bake54 : 1/30/2015 11:43 am : link
delete this....
RE: and if he does  
Enoch : 1/30/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12115840 TJ said:
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and he wins, does Mitt get Sec State?

Why would Mitt be in line for State? I mean, he's a smart guy and all, but his resume doesn't exactly scream "foreign policy experience."
I was told by  
natefit : 1/30/2015 11:48 am : link
a very wealthy GOP donor that neither Murdoch nor Koch like him. I think he took the hint.
RE: I was told by  
bw in dc : 1/30/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12115860 natefit said:
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a very wealthy GOP donor that neither Murdoch nor Koch like him. I think he took the hint.


I've heard the concern by the Kochs. Additionally, I'm not sure Romney could have overcome the "47 percent/too wealthy" label. Team Obama never took their foot off the gas with that...
He had his chance  
HomerJones45 : 1/30/2015 11:54 am : link
that's the way it goes.
Rubio and Walker  
feelflows : 1/30/2015 11:57 am : link
Must be front runners. Wonder if Condelesa will be a running mate. I think she's a great mind.
Clearing the path for Bush vs Clinton  
moespree : 1/30/2015 11:58 am : link
I can hardly wait for election season and the battle between these two brand new fresh names and families in American politics.
RE: Who gives a shit  
njm : 1/30/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12115852 Bake54 said:
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delete this....


Hey, the OP merely reported the fact and wasn't political. It should only get deleted if (when?) the thread goes off the tracks.
RE: Who gives a shit  
BigBlueShock : 1/30/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12115852 Bake54 said:
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delete this....

Who the fuck are you?
It's gonna be Bush/Clinton of course...  
drkenneth : 1/30/2015 12:00 pm : link
....Grand.
Murdoch has been very vocal...  
BMac : 1/30/2015 12:00 pm : link
...in his dislike for Romney, and for his admiration for Bush.

I think Bush will get the nod, and is the best candidate the Repubs can expect in this go-round. I expect Clinton to get the Dem nod, but I really, really hope that someone else pops up to at least make it a horse race.
RE: RE: Who gives a shit  
Bake54 : 1/30/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12115897 BigBlueShock said:
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delete this....


Who the fuck are you?


Someone who knows political threads shouldn't be placed here...informational or not.... who the fuck are you?
Bake54.  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/30/2015 12:09 pm : link
Stop embarrassing yourself.

This isn't a discussion on left-vs-right. This is discussion on a very noteworthy development regarding who will be the next president of our country.

Stop being a terrible human being.
Mike  
Bake54 : 1/30/2015 12:11 pm : link
you don't know who I am...stop being judge and jury. The political threads cause a lot more grief than is necessary. Some people here can't help it. They think they are above it....
RE: RE: RE: Who gives a shit  
bw in dc : 1/30/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12115906 Bake54 said:
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In comment 12115897 BigBlueShock said

Someone who knows political threads shouldn't be placed here...informational or not.... who the fuck are you?


Why don't you just ignore the thread?
While this is a news thread  
natefit : 1/30/2015 12:14 pm : link
rather than an opinion thread, as we all know one comment will blow it up. Its unfortunate but it will be deleted.
SARAH SARAH SARAH SARAH!!!!  
B in ALB : 1/30/2015 12:14 pm : link
Straight Talk Express comin to a real American town near you!

Great news!

All aboard!
RE: Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/30/2015 12:14 pm : link
In comment 12115919 Bake54 said:
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you don't know who I am...stop being judge and jury. The political threads cause a lot more grief than is necessary. Some people here can't help it. They think they are above it....


I can't be judge and jury, but you can be executioner with "delete this?"

You're the one who came and here and derailed the thread. Nobody else.
For the Dems:  
drkenneth : 1/30/2015 12:15 pm : link
Is there really any chance of anyone other than Hillary?
I Personally  
Bernie : 1/30/2015 12:16 pm : link
do not think it's a slam dunk Hillary runs. She will be 69 on election day 2016. Does she really have the energy to go through a campaign that will be brutal and then do the job for the next 8 years if she won? Found it interesting that her inner circle is debating to wait as long as possible before jumping into the race.
RE: RE: and if he does  
TJ : 1/30/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12115854 Enoch said:
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Why would Mitt be in line for State? I mean, he's a smart guy and all, but his resume doesn't exactly scream "foreign policy experience."

Cabinet posts have been known to be awarded based on experience in the field. Especially the less glamorous ones. But they are also considered prizes to be given to important supporters. If Romney cooperates in gracefully funneling the big money which he reputedly still had first call on to Bush, that would be the kind of support that might call for a cabinet post. State is the prime spot and the most likely to be desired by Romney IMO. I'll admit I don't know if the money is a big enough favor to rate that kind of treatment. It could be, as others have mentioned, that he was "nudged" and will have to be content with whatever he gets. That's why I asked what others thought.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Who gives a shit  
Bake54 : 1/30/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12115920 bw in dc said:
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In comment 12115906 Bake54 said:


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In comment 12115897 BigBlueShock said

Someone who knows political threads shouldn't be placed here...informational or not.... who the fuck are you?



Why don't you just ignore the thread?


Normally I do but then the next time someone will try it except they will add their negative spin on one party or another and then the fur flies. The best strategy is to not post the threads....it's a simple request that 95% of the posters here adhere to.
Bake54 if just brutally stupid.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:17 pm : link
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Brett  
Bake54 : 1/30/2015 12:18 pm : link
I'm not even going to stoop to your level. I can't go that low.
I'm waiting, and hoping, for Kasich  
Dave : 1/30/2015 12:19 pm : link
but I'd trust Jeb to be a good POTUS too
RE: RE: RE: and if he does  
Enoch : 1/30/2015 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12115938 TJ said:
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Why would Mitt be in line for State? I mean, he's a smart guy and all, but his resume doesn't exactly scream "foreign policy experience."


Cabinet posts have been known to be awarded based on experience in the field. Especially the less glamorous ones. But they are also considered prizes to be given to important supporters. If Romney cooperates in gracefully funneling the big money which he reputedly still had first call on to Bush, that would be the kind of support that might call for a cabinet post. State is the prime spot and the most likely to be desired by Romney IMO. I'll admit I don't know if the money is a big enough favor to rate that kind of treatment. It could be, as others have mentioned, that he was "nudged" and will have to be content with whatever he gets. That's why I asked what others thought.

Eh, if Mitt gets into the running for a "prestige" cabinet spot, Treasury would make a whole lot more sense than State, no?
RE: Brett  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12115944 Bake54 said:
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I'm not even going to stoop to your level. I can't go that low.


Good point - because your defense of Bill Cosby wasn't low at all. Good thinking.
of course I'd prefer Condi  
Dave : 1/30/2015 12:21 pm : link
but I don't think she's electable
RE: SARAH SARAH SARAH SARAH!!!!  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12115928 B in ALB said:
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Straight Talk Express comin to a real American town near you!

Great news!

All aboard!


She's got my vote!
I like Romney, I really do  
buford : 1/30/2015 12:22 pm : link
but he blew it in 2012. I was only glad he was running because I thought he and Jeb would cancel each other out. I don't want a Bush/Clinton election. UGH.
RE: RE: Brett  
RC02XX : 1/30/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12115949 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'm not even going to stoop to your level. I can't go that low.



Good point - because your defense of Bill Cosby wasn't low at all. Good thinking.


What thread was this in? I know you or filthy has an archive of it...link it!
RE: While this is a news thread  
bw in dc : 1/30/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12115926 natefit said:
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rather than an opinion thread, as we all know one comment will blow it up. Its unfortunate but it will be deleted.


I was posting at BBI way back in the mid-90s, and did so daily for almost 8 years. I've been more off than on at BBI since...

Now I've always enjoyed the political topics, even when they went sideways. In fact, I thought if you just let them play out, the thread would ultimately die a quiet death. So I was always surprised how Eric/BBI would overreact by deleting the thread because people stupidly complained.
RE: RE: RE: Brett  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12115958 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12115944 Bake54 said:


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I'm not even going to stoop to your level. I can't go that low.



Good point - because your defense of Bill Cosby wasn't low at all. Good thinking.



What thread was this in? I know you or filthy has an archive of it...link it!


It was deleted. r
RE: RE: RE: RE: Brett  
RC02XX : 1/30/2015 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12115966 BrettNYG10 said:
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It was deleted. r


What the hell does that have to do with anything? You and filthy archive just about all drama-laced threads. So one of you two should have this one.
I think  
natefit : 1/30/2015 12:30 pm : link
Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
I don't have it.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:30 pm : link
I wasn't expecting it to be deleted. :(
RE: I think  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12115978 natefit said:
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.


I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.

I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.
RE: I think  
Randy in CT : 1/30/2015 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12115978 natefit said:
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
Yep. The masses will be drawn to what they see as the familiar.
Cruz!  
GeneInCal : 1/30/2015 12:34 pm : link
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RE: Cruz!  
Randy in CT : 1/30/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12115988 GeneInCal said:
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LOL
Mitt was caught btwn a rock  
natefit : 1/30/2015 12:35 pm : link
and a hard place. Literally. The Tea Party was peaking and Mitt had to swerve to the extreme right, something he never was if you look at his Mass Govs record. He lost indep surburban women and Hispanics etc and could never win them back in sufficient numbers. Hes a $ guy, a Wall St guy, not a true politician in my view.
I really cant imagine what drives someone to run for president  
Deej : 1/30/2015 12:36 pm : link
It just doesnt seem worth it, with all the scrutiny you get even if you lose. And look at the recent winners -- Clinton, Bush, and Obama aged terribly fast before our eye. And if you run a 3rd or 4th place campaign you're suddenly a national joke (even if you had decades of exemplary public service before that).
RE: Cruz!  
RC02XX : 1/30/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12115988 GeneInCal said:
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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
RE: I think  
buford : 1/30/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12115978 natefit said:
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.


Exactly, they are the same candidate. Maybe they should run together. But who would be on top:)
I actually thought Romney was the best R candidate since Bush41.  
x meadowlander : 1/30/2015 12:37 pm : link
But he had to cave so badly during the campaign, he became virtually unelectable.

Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!

Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.

Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.

Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
RE: RE: I think  
buford : 1/30/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12115982 BrettNYG10 said:
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.



I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.

I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.


I do! *soulmates*
As an outsider and and  
Scott in Montreal : 1/30/2015 12:38 pm : link
regular late night show watcher.

All I can say is that I hope that there is some sort of Palin/Cruz ticket.

Or any mix of the following: Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann

Comedic gold that writes itself.
RE: RE: Cruz!  
natefit : 1/30/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12115996 RC02XX said:
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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?

Plus with that bad knee campaign events might be difficult :)
RE: Mitt was caught btwn a rock  
drkenneth : 1/30/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12115994 natefit said:
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and a hard place. Literally. The Tea Party was peaking and Mitt had to swerve to the extreme right, something he never was if you look at his Mass Govs record. He lost indep surburban women and Hispanics etc and could never win them back in sufficient numbers. Hes a $ guy, a Wall St guy, not a true politician in my view.


Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.
RE: RE: Mitt was caught btwn a rock  
x meadowlander : 1/30/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12116009 drkenneth said:
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Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.


In hindsight, I HAVE to believe Romney would have been MUCH better served to have claimed Obamacare as HIS idea, blamed Obama for implementing it poorly, and said that Massachusetts PROVES that he's the guy for the job.

I'm very happy that he didn't win though. For the most part, I am an Obama fan.
RE: RE: I think  
JCin332 : 1/30/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12115982 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12115978 natefit said:


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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.



I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.

I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.


I agree he was an absolutely brutal candidate but would have done a great job as President..
And the political shots show up.  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/30/2015 12:53 pm : link
Showing Bake was correct.

my prediction  
giantfan2000 : 1/30/2015 12:55 pm : link
Bush/Paul

Vs
Clinton/ and either Warner from VA or Hickenlooper from Colorado

yep history doesn't repeat it rhymes  
giantfan2000 : 1/30/2015 1:03 pm : link
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Bush v Clinton...if you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.


hard to believe but this is exactly the strategy GWB used to get close enough to Gore in 2000 to take the election.

I can see it now there is no difference really between them .. if you vote for the Bush you will get almost same results without all the rancor and gridlock.





i dont think  
brandozilla : 1/30/2015 1:07 pm : link
Bush vs. Clinton is a lock. Its probably where I would put my money, but a lot can happen.

Hillary was a lock in 08 as well. A lot can happen in a campaign.

Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Christie and maybe Rubio will be good challengers to Bush.

I think Clinton is the D nominee unless she decides not to run. I don't see anyone strong enough to defeat her, like there is on the GOP side.
As for Hillary being the automatic Dem  
TJ : 1/30/2015 1:08 pm : link
I think Cuomo has his eyes on running. If he isn't in danger of indictment during campaign season he could have a chance at the nomination. He's set himself up as a business friendly democrat and that might be a good place to be. I believe most of his actions the last couple years have been aimed at positioning himself nationally by supporting some dem causes (gun control), ducking others (fracking), and supporting business-friendly tax and regs positions.
RE: I actually thought Romney was the best R candidate since Bush41.  
HomerJones45 : 1/30/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12115999 x meadowlander said:
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But he had to cave so badly during the campaign, he became virtually unelectable.

Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!

Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.

Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.

Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
That's the way it goes. Watch the Warren wing put pressure on Hil to move to the left.

You need the extreme to win the primary because that's who votes in primaries and then you hope to be able to tack back to the center once you've won the nomination. It's one reason why candidates who don't have to primary sometimes have an advantage. It's also the reason the D's spent so much money in the May and June prior to the last election painting Romney as the rich guy who was going to take away your check.
Much too early to  
BobOnLI : 1/30/2015 1:10 pm : link
handicap 2016. Wasn't it last time there was a new Republican front runner every week or two?
I'd like to see kasich take a run at it  
GMenLTS : 1/30/2015 1:13 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: and if he does  
TJ : 1/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
In comment 12115947 Enoch said:
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Eh, if Mitt gets into the running for a "prestige" cabinet spot, Treasury would make a whole lot more sense than State, no?


That or Commerce might be a better match for his life experience. But State is the prestige job and as a former presidential nominee I figured that would be his target.
Demographics are the key to the election...  
x meadowlander : 1/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
Republicans have done a masterful job of taking over the lions share of State Houses, of Governorships, of Congress and the Senate - but the country's demographics have been shifting LEFT for some time now, and the R's basically have their fingers in the dyke. Gerrymanderring and depending on Baby Boomer votes will only get you so far. Whites are slowly becoming a minority, and the younger generations are NOT heavily Conservative.

Also - we're gonna be dealing with a heavy emphasis on womens rights for the next 2 years. It will be another historic election - Jeb and Christie are not strong enough Candidates to threaten Hillary - really, right now her greatest threat is herself.
Yeah I think some of the wonkier Midwesterners...  
Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 1:18 pm : link
could make some noise. Solid enough on social issues for the base without being as alienating as some of the darlings of the Tea Party and with decent economics bonafides. Also Scott Walker has the advantage of at least posturing as a Washington outsider, which the guys who have been on the Hill can't do as easily.
I see a  
natefit : 1/30/2015 1:20 pm : link
Bush/Walker or Bush/Kasich ticket v Clinton/Cuomo, if those two egos can be managed neatly together lol.
I think as soon as someone becomes President  
moespree : 1/30/2015 1:20 pm : link
In about 3 months they wonder why they ever wanted it. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that if that rumor was true in 2008 that the Hillary camp told Obama to drop out of the race and she'll put him on the Supreme Court when the next opening occurs, that Obama quickly realized he should have took that offer. It's lifetime, and you can do a hell of a lot more to actually affect policy. Why anyone wants to become President and 4 or 8 years have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, talking heads, and politicians worried about getting re-elected and fundraising is beyond me.
x  
BobOnLI : 1/30/2015 1:22 pm : link
Gerrymandering doesn't affect Governor and Senate races. I think they have a simple message that resonates: blame the government for all your troubles. Hard to refute.
I loathe the idea of clinton and bush on the top of both tickets  
GMenLTS : 1/30/2015 1:23 pm : link
Sadly it's exactly what I'm expecting.

We need major new blood in american politics
moespree  
BobOnLI : 1/30/2015 1:24 pm : link
Better a lifetime of dealing with Alito?
Meh....  
Mike in Marin : 1/30/2015 1:27 pm : link
I'd much rather have Francis Underwood.
all I can say is god protect us from  
idiotsavant : 1/30/2015 1:28 pm : link
(brother and son of a president) vs (ex wife of a president/vp/ss)

I mean, give us some fresh fucking product to work with here people.

It is not even fun making fun of these old hacks anymore, we need new people!
If Jeb had another last name I wouldn't hate him...  
Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 1:32 pm : link
but it's pathetic the affinity that the republic seems to have for political dynasties.
RE: x  
x meadowlander : 1/30/2015 1:35 pm : link
In comment 12116105 BobOnLI said:
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Gerrymandering doesn't affect Governor and Senate races. I think they have a simple message that resonates: blame the government for all your troubles. Hard to refute.


Oh, I concur. I wasn't implying that gerrymandering had to do with the states - really, the prolonged weak economy (for most) is the primary driver there.
idiotsavant  
BobOnLI : 1/30/2015 1:35 pm : link
Maybe we need new voters.
meh, recent Jeb speech was very, I mean very, uninspired  
idiotsavant : 1/30/2015 1:35 pm : link
here is prolly why Mitt Quit

RE: If Jeb had another last name I wouldn't hate him...  
TJ : 1/30/2015 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12116118 Dunedin81 said:
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but it's pathetic the affinity that the republic seems to have for political dynasties.


I'd like to see a Taft run. Or Roosevelt, Kennnedy, or Adams.
seriously, haw many of you newbs ever got one of these  
idiotsavant : 1/30/2015 1:39 pm : link
RE: RE: If Jeb had another last name I wouldn't hate him...  
Dunedin81 : 1/30/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12116139 TJ said:
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but it's pathetic the affinity that the republic seems to have for political dynasties.



I'd like to see a Taft run. Or Roosevelt, Kennnedy, or Adams.


My law school invited a Kennedy to speak at Commencement last year, described him as a "fresh face in Washington." Except that he grew up a Kennedy.
RE: I see a  
Mike in NY : 1/30/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12116096 natefit said:
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Bush/Walker or Bush/Kasich ticket v Clinton/Cuomo, if those two egos can be managed neatly together lol.


Clinton would have to move her residence to take Cuomo on her ticket. Two people I could see on Hillary's short list for VP are HUD secretary and former San Antonio mayor Julian Castro and current Virginia Senator Mark Warner (keep in mind Clinton's good buddy Terry McAuliffe is now the Governor there)
both castro brothers have very bright political futures ahead of them  
GMenLTS : 1/30/2015 1:45 pm : link
A President Castro is a serious possibility in America's future.

Think about that for a second.
when i was a litte kid growing up in nyc in the 60s  
natefit : 1/30/2015 1:47 pm : link
there was a famous sofa store called Castro Convertibles that had a radio jingle. I thought it was owned by Cuba lol.
RE: I really cant imagine what drives someone to run for president  
Bill in UT : 1/30/2015 1:48 pm : link
A humongous ego
speaking of dynasties, too bad we dont have one of these  
idiotsavant : 1/30/2015 1:55 pm : link
RE: both castro brothers have very bright political futures ahead of them  
Sec 103 : 1/30/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12116164 GMenLTS said:
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A President Castro is a serious possibility in America's future.

Think about that for a second.

Yep, there will be a Latino in the white house... But I surely hope the ideology is not like the Castros we know.
who would this one be addressed to, were it today?  
idiotsavant : 1/30/2015 2:10 pm : link
Where is the next Teddy Roosevelt?  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 2:11 pm : link
the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter
RE: RE: Cruz!  
BMac : 1/30/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12115996 RC02XX said:
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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?


He'll never beat OBJ!
RE: when i was a litte kid growing up in nyc in the 60s  
BMac : 1/30/2015 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12116171 natefit said:
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there was a famous sofa store called Castro Convertibles that had a radio jingle. I thought it was owned by Cuba lol.


All the time I was growing up, a "Castro" was the generic name of any pull-out sleeper. Kind of like Xerox was for copiers and the copying process.
RE: who would this one be addressed to, were it today?  
Chris in Philly : 1/30/2015 2:27 pm : link
In comment 12116212 idiotsavant said:
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You?
Like Vaseline for petroleum jelly  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 2:28 pm : link
Qtips for swabs?
RE: Where is the next Teddy Roosevelt?  
HomerJones45 : 1/30/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12116216 Headhunter said:
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the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter
Two wealthy New York patricians, one a short, stumpy character with a reputation for being unstable and a trouble-maker, and the other a womanizer, suffering the after-affects of a near fatal illness with an odd accent. Or Kennedy for that matter- a rich, prescription drug-dependent cockhound. How do you think any of them would have fared in the primary system we have today?

The smoke-filled rooms did have their advantages.
RE: RE: when i was a litte kid growing up in nyc in the 60s  
Bill L : 1/30/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12116236 BMac said:
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In comment 12116171 natefit said:


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there was a famous sofa store called Castro Convertibles that had a radio jingle. I thought it was owned by Cuba lol.



All the time I was growing up, a "Castro" was the generic name of any pull-out sleeper. Kind of like Xerox was for copiers and the copying process.


I'm pretty sure there's politics involved there though. There was a Bernadette Castro who was a scion of the sofa family and who was an official in the Pataki admin..she ran the Empire State Games among other things and did a great job. I don't think the Games are held anymore, which is a shame imo. Not sure whose decision.
RE: As for Hillary being the automatic Dem  
Bill L : 1/30/2015 2:59 pm : link
In comment 12116075 TJ said:
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I think Cuomo has his eyes on running. If he isn't in danger of indictment during campaign season he could have a chance at the nomination. He's set himself up as a business friendly democrat and that might be a good place to be. I believe most of his actions the last couple years have been aimed at positioning himself nationally by supporting some dem causes (gun control), ducking others (fracking), and supporting business-friendly tax and regs positions.


I think he will try but I'm not sure he will succeed. He's an extreme autocrat and a bully. That might be okay but he earned those stripes by turning the unions against him...not a great thing as a Democrat. Not popular in NY at all beyond NYC and Westchester. I think other than that, he captured only one county in the state and that was Albany. Having 99% of the geography, albeit not the population, of your own state hate you would make for bad national press imo
unstable and a troublemaker?  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 3:00 pm : link
Were you home schooled?
It will also be interesting to see how the Silver thing plays out  
Bill L : 1/30/2015 3:05 pm : link
In regards to Cuomo. As you alluded, he is very much intertwined in this since the Feds got to Silver based on their suspicions of the Moreland Commission fiasco. Cuomo is at the epicenter of that since he closed his own commission because, it is widely believed, they had turned their eye towards investigating him.
RE: unstable and a troublemaker?  
Cam in MO : 1/30/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12116300 Headhunter said:
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Were you home schooled?


Just about any home schooling is probably better than the utter bullshit that's taught in our US History classes.



Oh yeah?  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 3:40 pm : link
Name the last home school team that won a Championship?
RE: Oh yeah?  
Cam in MO : 1/30/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12116361 Headhunter said:
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Name the last home school team that won a Championship?


Good point.

A Non-political but yet political thread on BBI Yeh!  
wgenesis123 : 1/30/2015 4:07 pm : link
Non-political as in no fighting.
RE: Oh yeah?  
Mike in NY : 1/30/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12116361 Headhunter said:
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Name the last home school team that won a Championship?


Florida State?
The Bush name could eventually prove to be an anchor around  
wgenesis123 : 1/30/2015 4:13 pm : link
Jeb Bush's neck. Christie who can be an effective and popular speaker could possibly get on a roll that leads all the way to the White House.
RE: The Bush name could eventually prove to be an anchor around  
Cam in MO : 1/30/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12116392 wgenesis123 said:
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Jeb Bush's neck. Christie who can be an effective and popular speaker could possibly get on a roll that leads all the way to the White House.


Jersey to DC.

What's that, 2 1/2 rolls for him?


RE: unstable and a troublemaker?  
HomerJones45 : 1/30/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12116300 Headhunter said:
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Were you home schooled?
Your question was where is the next TR coming from. TR was considered at the time to be a wing nut and a troublemaker. He was put in the VP role under McKinley to get him out of the way in a place where he couldn't do any damage. The last thing anyone expected was for McKinley to be assassinated and TR end up President. Today's opposition research would have had a field day with him.

It is possible to learn at home; I finished a biography of TR a couple of months ago. Reading; you should try it.
RE: RE: unstable and a troublemaker?  
dep026 : 1/30/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12116410 HomerJones45 said:
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Were you home schooled?

Your question was where is the next TR coming from. TR was considered at the time to be a wing nut and a troublemaker. He was put in the VP role under McKinley to get him out of the way in a place where he couldn't do any damage. The last thing anyone expected was for McKinley to be assassinated and TR end up President. Today's opposition research would have had a field day with him.

It is possible to learn at home; I finished a biography of TR a couple of months ago. Reading; you should try it.


I am a big Teddy fan myself, and you are absolutely correct here. There were a TON of people who wanted him nowhere near the presidency.

And there was a ton of opposition towards him for the sake that he wanted to be a more public figure with sports, big game hunting, and being more of a public face.

Who knows if he would have had a chance today with the way people are scrutinized?
RE: I'd like to see kasich take a run at it  
bradshaw44 : 1/30/2015 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12116085 GMenLTS said:
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Agreed. Big fan of his.
Dickhead  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 5:13 pm : link
Does The Rise of Teddy Roosevelt by Edmund Morris qualify as a pretty good bio of TR? If it does, shut the fuck up
Could the Koch brothers  
Ira : 1/30/2015 5:30 pm : link
have something to do with Romney's decision not to run?
He butted heads  
Headhunter : 1/30/2015 5:53 pm : link
in Albany, big deal. He probably would be diagnosed with ADHD and he was principled. He was a pain in the ass to the other Police Commissioners, big deal. His job as VP was to. make sure McKinley didn't die, but lucky for us he did. He did more in one day than most do in a month
RE: The Bush name could eventually prove to be an anchor around  
drkenneth : 1/30/2015 5:57 pm : link
In comment 12116392 wgenesis123 said:
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Jeb Bush's neck. Christie who can be an effective and popular speaker could possibly get on a roll that leads all the way to the White House.


I guess you're not from Jersey. Christie has no chance. 1st rd KO.
And this now viral.  
drkenneth : 1/30/2015 6:01 pm : link
No good for CC.
Christie Falls Off Chair. - ( New Window )
Yeah, that is going to haunt him  
buford : 1/30/2015 7:28 pm : link
it seems silly, but it will.
RE: Could the Koch brothers  
Hammer : 1/30/2015 11:33 pm : link
In comment 12116443 Ira said:
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have something to do with Romney's decision not to run?


I'd say that's a pretty fair guess.
Romney did not want to run...  
EricJ : 1/31/2015 12:00 am : link
and based upon his effort last time, it seems that he wanted to run but he was scared to actually win.
RE: RE: Cruz!  
gtt350 : 1/31/2015 4:45 am : link
In comment 12115996 RC02XX said:
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Quote: swing and a miss. Cruz = Senator Ted Cruz


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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
RE: Who gives a shit  
River Mike : 1/31/2015 7:59 am : link
In comment 12115852 Bake54 said:
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delete this....


For the life of me, I will never, ever understand this.
Why does anyone care?  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/31/2015 8:05 am : link
.
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Ryan in Albany : 1/31/2015 8:11 am : link
While I"m sure Romney would bring honor and integrity back to the White House, he's not the right candidate for the time. I'm glad he's out. Now if only Jeb would follow suit.

Walker 2016
RE: Where is the next Teddy Roosevelt?  
River Mike : 1/31/2015 8:14 am : link
In comment 12116216 Headhunter said:
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the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter


TR ...best president we ever had IMHO
The Rs have a screwed up combination and it is likely to fade  
PA Giant Fan : 1/31/2015 8:30 am : link
Evangelicals conflated with Wall street and money conflated with gun rights and anti abortion...

Somewhere in there is reasonable conservative philosophy.

Then as someone notes above, the demographics are changing ....not in their favor
RE: RE: Where is the next Teddy Roosevelt?  
Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 8:32 am : link
In comment 12116712 River Mike said:
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the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter



TR ...best president we ever had IMHO


Teddy was a mixed blessing. Personally dynamic, presided over our emergence on the international scene, but expanded the profile and expectations of the Presidency like few before him. Only Lincoln, a wartime President, and Jackson can really have been said to have been as consequential among the non-Founders, in many ways for better but in ways that in less capable hands would prove to be much worse.
RE: The Rs have a screwed up combination and it is likely to fade  
Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 8:36 am : link
In comment 12116722 PA Giant Fan said:
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Evangelicals conflated with Wall street and money conflated with gun rights and anti abortion...

Somewhere in there is reasonable conservative philosophy.

Then as someone notes above, the demographics are changing ....not in their favor


Reports of their demise, yadayadayada... The seminal issue is immigration, which undermines their appeal to growing constituencies. Ironically the tension that probably should be there between Democratic constituencies on the subject isn't there because of other issues and because of good old fashioned party identification. They were dead in the water after 2008 and managed to dominate the two midterms. Not the same as a presidential of course, but if you had told them that six years after getting demolished in 2008 they'd have viable majorities in both houses I think they would have been pretty surprised.
The primary factor in their poor performances was women's issues  
WideRight : 1/31/2015 8:47 am : link
R's learned to shut-up about wacko stuff like abortion in caes of rape or incest and did much better.

R's also have a big advantage in congressional elections from redistricting. That more than compensates for their demographic disadvantage, which they have always had.

WideRight  
BobOnLI : 1/31/2015 8:51 am : link
If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.
The houses are that way for two reasons  
PA Giant Fan : 1/31/2015 8:56 am : link
Senate are same for every state and their are more red states.
Congress is Gerrymandering

Demographics are undeniable.

Also I could be had  
PA Giant Fan : 1/31/2015 8:59 am : link
I have voted democratic pretty much every year outside of maybe a few individual races. But I can not throw my hat into the ring with people that don't believe in

Evolution

World is older then 6k years

Jesus is coming back soon

The government is coming to take our guns

Taxing the rich less creates more jobs because they are the job creators and will have more money to hire people.

Anything that has to do with what a woman does with her body

to name a few...
RE: WideRight  
Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 9:01 am : link
In comment 12116736 BobOnLI said:
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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.


Who knows? The War on Women rhetoric seemed to boomerang this time around, and if the Republicans find a Veep nominee who has ovaries and isn't tabloid fodder Hillary dominating the female vote (over and above the usual Democratic advantage) may not be a given.
RE: WideRight  
WideRight : 1/31/2015 9:02 am : link
In comment 12116736 BobOnLI said:
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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.


Perhaps. The White House will be harder, and demographics matter alot more (exept for Gore). My gut is that Hillary isn't as popular with women as other female candidates, and R's may really be learning the value of appealing to the non-white-male voting block.
Teddy saw America in the 19th Century  
Headhunter : 1/31/2015 9:05 am : link
as the World Power in the 20th Century. He was a super hawk and believed might makes right. He built the navy. However he was the first president to invite a Black man to the White House and fought the Morgan's Gould's and the Trusts. Who is the person that will define 21st Century America? I don't see that person
RE: Dickhead  
HomerJones45 : 1/31/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12116431 Headhunter said:
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Does The Rise of Teddy Roosevelt by Edmund Morris qualify as a pretty good bio of TR? If it does, shut the fuck up
you actually have to open it. Leaving it on your coffee table to try and give visitors a false impression of your intellectual prowess obviously doesn't do you any good.

Uh huh  
Headhunter : 1/31/2015 9:17 am : link
tell us more or is that all your little pea brain could come up with moron?
RE: RE: WideRight  
buford : 1/31/2015 9:31 am : link
In comment 12116750 WideRight said:
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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.



Perhaps. The White House will be harder, and demographics matter alot more (exept for Gore). My gut is that Hillary isn't as popular with women as other female candidates, and R's may really be learning the value of appealing to the non-white-male voting block.


It will be the same breakdown. Single and ultra liberal women will vote for Hillary. Married women will vote for the R candidate. That's how's it was under Romney and most of the recent elections. Meanwhile the Dems have lost the white male vote and will not be getting that back with Hillary.
RE: Teddy saw America in the 19th Century  
Dunedin81 : 1/31/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12116753 Headhunter said:
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as the World Power in the 20th Century. He was a super hawk and believed might makes right. He built the navy. However he was the first president to invite a Black man to the White House and fought the Morgan's Gould's and the Trusts. Who is the person that will define 21st Century America? I don't see that person


We'll see if that person is even a possibility nowadays. It's misremembering to pretend that they lacked tabloid journalism and sensationalism in that day and age, but internet news is a different phenomenon entirely. And while nobody could afford to be deaf to public opinion, TR was as apt to shape it as to react to it. Does a guy like that get anywhere near the White House nowadays?
That person will have a clear vision  
Headhunter : 1/31/2015 10:38 am : link
huge ego,popular appeal, great salesmanship, tremendous oratory ability and a can do/will do attitude. I don't see anyone out there
Headhunter  
BobOnLI : 1/31/2015 10:58 am : link
You can make the case (though many will disagree) that Obama had those qualities. Even if you don't agree with the above, it is hard to imagine any POTUS succeeding when the opposition is so determined to see him fail. I don't think things will change much even if a Republican gets elected unless they can also gain control of 60 seats in the Senate.
I think Reagan & Clinton  
Headhunter : 1/31/2015 11:03 am : link
had the populism and oratory & salesmanship part down.Their visions were muddled
Headhunter  
BobOnLI : 1/31/2015 11:08 am : link
I would suggest their visions were clear but that realities, both political and otherwise got in the way. That is a good thing or we would have what is happening now in Russia.
Its is interesting since both Reagan and Bill Clinton  
idiotsavant : 1/31/2015 11:19 am : link
reached across the isle and built consensus to push ideas and suggest courses of legislation.

which has not been the case in a while.

However, while there is still support for consensus at some point, the legacies of both of those presidents in terms of laws passed may not be so hot as respective leaders supporters would like to think.

I would like to believe that there is a new consensus to be built in the populist segment of each party, however, the potential consensus builders seem to be facing a continual stonewall in each party, with the insiders looking to preserve the weird compromise of theories that Bill and Ronald ended up with.

Somebody said recently, we have to stop looking at 20th century solutions.
People lauded Bill Clinton at the time  
idiotsavant : 1/31/2015 11:28 am : link
because he put in limits on receiving services and welfare, forced people to do work programs and such, so he therefor was seen as 'someone who worked across the isle.'

But, if you think about it, what everyone really wants is a growing economy, jobs and to build their own lives and those sorts of compromises are really just tweaking around the edges.

Yes, the economy was growing like crazy at the time..BUT

That was the cheap money game...and

Now that the cheap money game is over, taking the wind out of the sails of the vestiges of the Clinton Miracle, we can start looking for a new way.

Just forging compromises around the edges of the old 20th Century solutions wont do it.
RE: RE: WideRight  
njm : 1/31/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12116749 Dunedin81 said:
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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.



Who knows? The War on Women rhetoric seemed to boomerang this time around, and if the Republicans find a Veep nominee who has ovaries and isn't tabloid fodder Hillary dominating the female vote (over and above the usual Democratic advantage) may not be a given.


Kelly Ayotte?
TR  
Bill2 : 1/31/2015 12:55 pm : link
Teddy like Lincoln in this regard saw far into the future. He entered politics when the size of the average American was shrinking as was life span and infant mortality wad increasing. So was the appeal of socialism, anarchism and Lenin was not the only one reading Marx. The average work week was six days times 12 hours and the average pay per day was $2 dollars. He became more and more find a third way as he served longer.

And to me the thing that makes one think the most of him? The I am fit as a Bull Moose speech he gave when he rose from being shot was remembered for its "get off my plane" bad ass quote. But 90% of what he advocated was eventually implemented into law the first term of Franklin Roosevelt s administration.
The vision met the time when the divide between the social crisis foment of the Industrial Revolution simply had to be healed.
sorry  
Bill2 : 1/31/2015 12:56 pm : link
Phones rot for typing
Surprising...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2015 1:15 pm : link
I thought for sure he was going to run, esp. after all the latest chatter that he didn't think Jeb Bush would be a strong nominee.

On the GOP side, I think it comes down to Bush, Walker, & Paul. Bush's stances on Common Core & immigration might hurt him-esp. immigration-but I think he ends up prevailing.

On the Democratic side, it's Webb, O'Malley, Sanders, & oh yeah, HRC. HRC wins in a walk.

Bush vs. Clinton. Ugh. I'll vote for HRC obviously, but can't America do better than offer up these two families?
well, if SanFran and I agree  
idiotsavant : 1/31/2015 9:10 pm : link
that Bush Vs Clinton sucks Bull Moose Balls as a choice for the country, that is a big deal, since our politics are very different.

and hehe separate note, anything is possible but:

''RE: who would this one be addressed to, were it today?
Chris in Philly : 1/30/2015 2:27 pm : link : reply
In comment 12116212 idiotsavant said:
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You?''


since, yeah, the beard, 6'195lbs...i dont look much like any 'miss'

RE: RE: RE: WideRight  
buford : 1/31/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12116949 njm said:
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In comment 12116736 BobOnLI said:


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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.



Who knows? The War on Women rhetoric seemed to boomerang this time around, and if the Republicans find a Veep nominee who has ovaries and isn't tabloid fodder Hillary dominating the female vote (over and above the usual Democratic advantage) may not be a given.



Kelly Ayotte?


She is so boring....but maybe that's a good thing.
Here is one Buford  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2015 8:37 am : link
The Great Lady of the 20th Century IMO  
Headhunter : 2/1/2015 10:01 am : link
]

"Peace will come, when the arabs love their children more than they hate us"

"Don't be humble....you're not so great"
RE: RE: RE: RE: WideRight  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/1/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12117561 buford said:
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In comment 12116749 Dunedin81 said:


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In comment 12116736 BobOnLI said:


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If Hillary is the Democratic candidate the R's will have a tough time getting much of the women's vote.



Who knows? The War on Women rhetoric seemed to boomerang this time around, and if the Republicans find a Veep nominee who has ovaries and isn't tabloid fodder Hillary dominating the female vote (over and above the usual Democratic advantage) may not be a given.



Kelly Ayotte?



She is so boring....but maybe that's a good thing.


Ayotte is up for reelection in '16. I'm not sure if she could run for VP while simultaneously running for Senate. I know in KY you can't. Biden was able to do it in '08.
I've got a feeling  
santacruzom : 2/1/2015 1:08 pm : link
that someone who stumbles out of that clown car of candidates is actually going to beat Hillary, should she be the Democratic nominee. Yeah, she gets people fired up because of "no more glass ceiling!" and "it's our time!" and all that, but is that going to be enough to overcome her actual past positions and platform and inspire enough Dems to vote for her?

I guess I might hold my nose and vote for her if her competition is that much worse, but it would be a bitter pill.
I don't know of any circumstance  
dep026 : 2/1/2015 1:39 pm : link
Where I would vote hillary. The manipulation and deceitful Ness of her is one of the worst I've ever seen of anpolitician. I think she is just a miserable person and candidate.
If Hillary is the Dem's choice....  
GiantFilthy : 2/1/2015 1:54 pm : link
During each debate:

Code:

Moderator: Ok, lets move on to the economy.

Repub: Benghazi.

Moderator: I'm sorry, that doesn't seem fitting he-

Repub: Benghazi.

Moderator: Sir...

Repub: Call me Ben.

Moderator: Ben?

Repub: GHAZI!

Seriously  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2015 5:19 pm : link
Neither Jeb nor Hillary has had an original idea in a quarter century or more and the oratory shows it.

God help us,

I mean what you want Chef, McDonalds or BurgerKing?
Just Pledge now to vote for whichever  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2015 5:30 pm : link
party does does not annoint its version of the self entitled dignity eunich
quote: Hil, Stalin, Mao, same quote:  
idiotsavant : 2/1/2015 5:36 pm : link
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