Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
Exactly, they are the same candidate. Maybe they should run together. But who would be on top:)
I actually thought Romney was the best R candidate since Bush41.
But he had to cave so badly during the campaign, he became virtually unelectable.
Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!
Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.
Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.
Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.
I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
Plus with that bad knee campaign events might be difficult :)
and a hard place. Literally. The Tea Party was peaking and Mitt had to swerve to the extreme right, something he never was if you look at his Mass Govs record. He lost indep surburban women and Hispanics etc and could never win them back in sufficient numbers. Hes a $ guy, a Wall St guy, not a true politician in my view.
Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.
Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.
In hindsight, I HAVE to believe Romney would have been MUCH better served to have claimed Obamacare as HIS idea, blamed Obama for implementing it poorly, and said that Massachusetts PROVES that he's the guy for the job.
I'm very happy that he didn't win though. For the most part, I am an Obama fan.
Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.
I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.
I agree he was an absolutely brutal candidate but would have done a great job as President..
Bush v Clinton...if you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
hard to believe but this is exactly the strategy GWB used to get close enough to Gore in 2000 to take the election.
I can see it now there is no difference really between them .. if you vote for the Bush you will get almost same results without all the rancor and gridlock.
I think Cuomo has his eyes on running. If he isn't in danger of indictment during campaign season he could have a chance at the nomination. He's set himself up as a business friendly democrat and that might be a good place to be. I believe most of his actions the last couple years have been aimed at positioning himself nationally by supporting some dem causes (gun control), ducking others (fracking), and supporting business-friendly tax and regs positions.
RE: I actually thought Romney was the best R candidate since Bush41.
But he had to cave so badly during the campaign, he became virtually unelectable.
Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!
Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.
Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.
Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
That's the way it goes. Watch the Warren wing put pressure on Hil to move to the left.
You need the extreme to win the primary because that's who votes in primaries and then you hope to be able to tack back to the center once you've won the nomination. It's one reason why candidates who don't have to primary sometimes have an advantage. It's also the reason the D's spent so much money in the May and June prior to the last election painting Romney as the rich guy who was going to take away your check.
Eh, if Mitt gets into the running for a "prestige" cabinet spot, Treasury would make a whole lot more sense than State, no?
That or Commerce might be a better match for his life experience. But State is the prestige job and as a former presidential nominee I figured that would be his target.
Republicans have done a masterful job of taking over the lions share of State Houses, of Governorships, of Congress and the Senate - but the country's demographics have been shifting LEFT for some time now, and the R's basically have their fingers in the dyke. Gerrymanderring and depending on Baby Boomer votes will only get you so far. Whites are slowly becoming a minority, and the younger generations are NOT heavily Conservative.
Also - we're gonna be dealing with a heavy emphasis on womens rights for the next 2 years. It will be another historic election - Jeb and Christie are not strong enough Candidates to threaten Hillary - really, right now her greatest threat is herself.
could make some noise. Solid enough on social issues for the base without being as alienating as some of the darlings of the Tea Party and with decent economics bonafides. Also Scott Walker has the advantage of at least posturing as a Washington outsider, which the guys who have been on the Hill can't do as easily.
In about 3 months they wonder why they ever wanted it. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that if that rumor was true in 2008 that the Hillary camp told Obama to drop out of the race and she'll put him on the Supreme Court when the next opening occurs, that Obama quickly realized he should have took that offer. It's lifetime, and you can do a hell of a lot more to actually affect policy. Why anyone wants to become President and 4 or 8 years have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, talking heads, and politicians worried about getting re-elected and fundraising is beyond me.
Gerrymandering doesn't affect Governor and Senate races. I think they have a simple message that resonates: blame the government for all your troubles. Hard to refute.
I loathe the idea of clinton and bush on the top of both tickets
Gerrymandering doesn't affect Governor and Senate races. I think they have a simple message that resonates: blame the government for all your troubles. Hard to refute.
Oh, I concur. I wasn't implying that gerrymandering had to do with the states - really, the prolonged weak economy (for most) is the primary driver there.
Bush/Walker or Bush/Kasich ticket v Clinton/Cuomo, if those two egos can be managed neatly together lol.
Clinton would have to move her residence to take Cuomo on her ticket. Two people I could see on Hillary's short list for VP are HUD secretary and former San Antonio mayor Julian Castro and current Virginia Senator Mark Warner (keep in mind Clinton's good buddy Terry McAuliffe is now the Governor there)
both castro brothers have very bright political futures ahead of them
the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter
I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
He'll never beat OBJ!
RE: when i was a litte kid growing up in nyc in the 60s
the person of their time? Teddy blew the doors off the Presidency and changed America for the better. I donr know if we will ever see the likes of TR again or Franklin for that matter
Two wealthy New York patricians, one a short, stumpy character with a reputation for being unstable and a trouble-maker, and the other a womanizer, suffering the after-affects of a near fatal illness with an odd accent. Or Kennedy for that matter- a rich, prescription drug-dependent cockhound. How do you think any of them would have fared in the primary system we have today?
The smoke-filled rooms did have their advantages.
RE: RE: when i was a litte kid growing up in nyc in the 60s
there was a famous sofa store called Castro Convertibles that had a radio jingle. I thought it was owned by Cuba lol.
All the time I was growing up, a "Castro" was the generic name of any pull-out sleeper. Kind of like Xerox was for copiers and the copying process.
I'm pretty sure there's politics involved there though. There was a Bernadette Castro who was a scion of the sofa family and who was an official in the Pataki admin..she ran the Empire State Games among other things and did a great job. I don't think the Games are held anymore, which is a shame imo. Not sure whose decision.
I think Cuomo has his eyes on running. If he isn't in danger of indictment during campaign season he could have a chance at the nomination. He's set himself up as a business friendly democrat and that might be a good place to be. I believe most of his actions the last couple years have been aimed at positioning himself nationally by supporting some dem causes (gun control), ducking others (fracking), and supporting business-friendly tax and regs positions.
I think he will try but I'm not sure he will succeed. He's an extreme autocrat and a bully. That might be okay but he earned those stripes by turning the unions against him...not a great thing as a Democrat. Not popular in NY at all beyond NYC and Westchester. I think other than that, he captured only one county in the state and that was Albany. Having 99% of the geography, albeit not the population, of your own state hate you would make for bad national press imo
In regards to Cuomo. As you alluded, he is very much intertwined in this since the Feds got to Silver based on their suspicions of the Moreland Commission fiasco. Cuomo is at the epicenter of that since he closed his own commission because, it is widely believed, they had turned their eye towards investigating him.
Exactly, they are the same candidate. Maybe they should run together. But who would be on top:)
Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!
Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.
Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.
Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.
I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.
I do! *soulmates*
All I can say is that I hope that there is some sort of Palin/Cruz ticket.
Or any mix of the following: Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann
Comedic gold that writes itself.
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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
Plus with that bad knee campaign events might be difficult :)
Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.
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Yup..Awful timing with Obamacare being center of the debate...And you have Mitt with a similar plan in Mass.
In hindsight, I HAVE to believe Romney would have been MUCH better served to have claimed Obamacare as HIS idea, blamed Obama for implementing it poorly, and said that Massachusetts PROVES that he's the guy for the job.
I'm very happy that he didn't win though. For the most part, I am an Obama fan.
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Bush v Clinton is pretty much a lock at this point. And theres plenty of venom out there for each, based mostly on their names. I also think they are very alike in many ways, perhaps more so than people realize. Hes a moderate Rep and shes fairly Hawkish in a number of areas. If you Venn Diagrammed them I bet the shared ctr would be larger than we might first think.
I'm pretty surprised at the lack of quality candidates each election. I thought Romney was a good candidate on paper but a shitty 'political athlete'.
I'm curious if anyone else shares that thought.
I agree he was an absolutely brutal candidate but would have done a great job as President..
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Clinton/ and either Warner from VA or Hickenlooper from Colorado
hard to believe but this is exactly the strategy GWB used to get close enough to Gore in 2000 to take the election.
I can see it now there is no difference really between them .. if you vote for the Bush you will get almost same results without all the rancor and gridlock.
Hillary was a lock in 08 as well. A lot can happen in a campaign.
Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Christie and maybe Rubio will be good challengers to Bush.
I think Clinton is the D nominee unless she decides not to run. I don't see anyone strong enough to defeat her, like there is on the GOP side.
Really - in a normal political environment, his platform SHOULD AND WOULD have been built around his successful Healthcare Reform rollout in Massachusetts. Hate Obamacare? I'M THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!
Instead, thanks to pressure from right-wing extremists, he is forced to ignore what is probably his greatest political achievement! Mind boggling.
Honestly, we're just wasting a ton of time and money here.
Just give it to Hillary already. Gerrymandering doesn't work in Presidential elections. She's going to win running away.
You need the extreme to win the primary because that's who votes in primaries and then you hope to be able to tack back to the center once you've won the nomination. It's one reason why candidates who don't have to primary sometimes have an advantage. It's also the reason the D's spent so much money in the May and June prior to the last election painting Romney as the rich guy who was going to take away your check.
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Eh, if Mitt gets into the running for a "prestige" cabinet spot, Treasury would make a whole lot more sense than State, no?
That or Commerce might be a better match for his life experience. But State is the prestige job and as a former presidential nominee I figured that would be his target.
Also - we're gonna be dealing with a heavy emphasis on womens rights for the next 2 years. It will be another historic election - Jeb and Christie are not strong enough Candidates to threaten Hillary - really, right now her greatest threat is herself.
We need major new blood in american politics
I mean, give us some fresh fucking product to work with here people.
It is not even fun making fun of these old hacks anymore, we need new people!
Oh, I concur. I wasn't implying that gerrymandering had to do with the states - really, the prolonged weak economy (for most) is the primary driver there.
I'd like to see a Taft run. Or Roosevelt, Kennnedy, or Adams.
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but it's pathetic the affinity that the republic seems to have for political dynasties.
I'd like to see a Taft run. Or Roosevelt, Kennnedy, or Adams.
My law school invited a Kennedy to speak at Commencement last year, described him as a "fresh face in Washington." Except that he grew up a Kennedy.
Clinton would have to move her residence to take Cuomo on her ticket. Two people I could see on Hillary's short list for VP are HUD secretary and former San Antonio mayor Julian Castro and current Virginia Senator Mark Warner (keep in mind Clinton's good buddy Terry McAuliffe is now the Governor there)
Think about that for a second.
Think about that for a second.
Yep, there will be a Latino in the white house... But I surely hope the ideology is not like the Castros we know.
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I'm not sure that Victor Cruz is really qualified to run for the Presidency. He's definitely got charisma, but maybe he should start at the local level and then climb up?
He'll never beat OBJ!
All the time I was growing up, a "Castro" was the generic name of any pull-out sleeper. Kind of like Xerox was for copiers and the copying process.
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The smoke-filled rooms did have their advantages.
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there was a famous sofa store called Castro Convertibles that had a radio jingle. I thought it was owned by Cuba lol.
All the time I was growing up, a "Castro" was the generic name of any pull-out sleeper. Kind of like Xerox was for copiers and the copying process.
I'm pretty sure there's politics involved there though. There was a Bernadette Castro who was a scion of the sofa family and who was an official in the Pataki admin..she ran the Empire State Games among other things and did a great job. I don't think the Games are held anymore, which is a shame imo. Not sure whose decision.
I think he will try but I'm not sure he will succeed. He's an extreme autocrat and a bully. That might be okay but he earned those stripes by turning the unions against him...not a great thing as a Democrat. Not popular in NY at all beyond NYC and Westchester. I think other than that, he captured only one county in the state and that was Albany. Having 99% of the geography, albeit not the population, of your own state hate you would make for bad national press imo