Massachusetts has a law that you CANNOT even register your child for school unless you present evidence of immunization against a whole list of diseases (or proof from a licensed physician that immunizing your child would jeopardize their health due to some disease).
doesn't every state have similar laws?
or are these home schooled kids with parents against it?
Just not sure who the people are against it other than individualized whackos.
RE: What's with the sudden measles vaccination uproar? Â
Is it this year's cause for people to rally behind?
The fairly large and growing outbreak of measles that started in Disneyland CA? It's been in the news recently, the extraordinary return of an eradicated deadly illness because people are stupid.
RE: What's with the sudden measles vaccination uproar? Â
it's less the internet and more people who have autistic children who put the fear in you.
when our daughter was ready for her MMR, of course we had friends of family saying "John's daughter was normal until they had that shot.. I heard the same was for Jane's son" and so on.
that struck fear in my wife. we went through with the shots, but it resulted in a very long conversation with our pediatrician on the chemistry of the shots.
My wife felt strongly..or at least SAFER if we could split the shots into 3 shots instead of a "cocktail" of shots. We couldn't, so of course we went through with it.
I was pissed off when these people would put thoughts into my wife's head.. shame on THEM for trying to put our daughters health in jeopardy by talking about something they know nothing about.
to vaccinations in CA, and that opened up a big old can of stupid. According to the CDC, there are only two states that do not have either religious and/or philosophical exemption policies - MS and WV. The latter form is the most egregious as it means damn near any reason can be used, and those exist in AZ, AR, CA, CO, ID, LA, ME, MI, MN, NM, ND, OH, OK, PA, TX, UT, VT, WA, and WI. So there's potential for this elsewhere too. Joy. /sarc
young mothers into second-guessing things that we used to take as gospel, and for good reason. Younger people are more skeptical because they don't remember what it was like burying siblings and classmates for diseases that don't exist now.
"Well, now that I've been wearing a raincoat whenever it rains, I haven't gotten wet in over a decade. It's probably time to stop wearing that raincoat now. It's obvious there's no need since I haven't been wet in the rain for so long."
Massachusetts has a law that you CANNOT even register your child for school unless you present evidence of immunization against a whole list of diseases (or proof from a licensed physician that immunizing your child would jeopardize their health due to some disease).
doesn't every state have similar laws?
or are these home schooled kids with parents against it?
Just not sure who the people are against it other than individualized whackos.
I think there's a law in New York State against unimmunized children attending public school on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays; but I could be confusing that with the law against driving with a conscious moose on your front fender.
"Well, now that I've been wearing a raincoat whenever it rains, I haven't gotten wet in over a decade. It's probably time to stop wearing that raincoat now. It's obvious there's no need since I haven't been wet in the rain for so long."
But there is a legitimate concern about when/how often vaccines are dispensed. For example, my son arrived six weeks early. He was given the MMR shot soon after he was born and had a horrible reaction to it. For three days, he had a fever and just moaned. It scared the hell out of us. Some pediatricians who are very pro-vaccine argue that the MMR shouldn't be given so soon or have issues with the combination being introduced at the same time.
Other pediatricians wonder if booster shots are truly needed if the titer count shows that they are unnecessary.
As someone who has worked closely with pharmaceutical lobbyists, I can tell you that they do everything in their power to sweep under the rug vaccine-related incidents, not only in the United States, but in other countries. We're being lobbied hard right now to pressure the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare to downplay a recent vaccine-related death.
I heard a statistically that a large portion of anti-vaxxers are usually well educated and Â
Financially comfortable people. These twits seem to way overestimate their own knowledge of vaccinations and diseases based on their shitty research that depends solely on shitty websites, conspiracy theories, and their live for celebrity gossip.
If you YouTube search anti-vaxxer videos, you would want to punch each of those idiots in the face through your screen.
But there is a legitimate concern about when/how often vaccines are dispensed. For example, my son arrived six weeks early. He was given the MMR shot soon after he was born and had a horrible reaction to it. For three days, he had a fever and just moaned. It scared the hell out of us. Some pediatricians who are very pro-vaccine argue that the MMR shouldn't be given so soon or have issues with the combination being introduced at the same time.
Other pediatricians wonder if booster shots are truly needed if the titer count shows that they are unnecessary.
As someone who has worked closely with pharmaceutical lobbyists, I can tell you that they do everything in their power to sweep under the rug vaccine-related incidents, not only in the United States, but in other countries. We're being lobbied hard right now to pressure the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare to downplay a recent vaccine-related death.
Our son (first child) was born five weeks early and they wanted to do the same. We refused and said we would wait until he was a little stronger and bring him back for it and I can tell you they put unbearable pressure on you if you try and do that. If I hadn't been mid forties with a lot of "life's experience" I would have not been confident enough to withstand it alone like that. They really made me to feel like I was doing some horrid thing and when that didn't work they tried to financial pressure me by saying how much additional they would charge me to take him home and return instead of allowing it to be part of the birth cost which I of course had already paid for.
Thanks goodness I was so much older and not the age of most first time fathers who easily may have been less sure of himself and more likely to follow authority when pressured so strongly, or financially strapped like so many first time parent often find themselves because our son ended up having troubles from being so weak, so severe that at one point I truly feared that he wouldn't make it. Worst moment of my life. If he would have had to go through any reaction anywhere close to what your son had to endure he would not have been strong enough to fight it and I am certain he would have died because he was so very close to it without having done so.
We did bring him back after a few months when we were convinced he was strong enough to handle any sort of reaction if it would occur, but I have to tell you they made me feel like and awful father, and almost criminal by not fallowing their guidelines, it was unreal and very hard to stand up to when initially refusing.
Lots of times you see clusters in colleges because of close quarters and sometimes you get foreign students from places where they don't vaccinate and children of anti-vaxxers. NY also has a few areas of religious communities like Hasidic (maybe it's them, but it might be a different group) Jews that don't vaccinate and the disease gets introduced.
And I don't know the logic behind it but I think I have read in the past where parents throw some sort of parties where they expose their children to things like mumps or measles instead of getting vaccinations? Very strange.
Were your kids born pre-1999? I only ask because according to the link below, the current schedule (since '99) is to give the first MMR vaccine after a year, then the 2nd between 4-6. Link - ( New Window )
Were your kids born pre-1999? I only ask because according to the link below, the current schedule (since '99) is to give the first MMR vaccine after a year, then the 2nd between 4-6. Link - ( New Window )
No it was after that. I can't recall exactly which shots they were so maybe it was something other than MMR but it was something that covered a number of things ( I want to say they may have mentioned hepatitis being one but can't say for sure) and they insisted he shouldn't leave without first receiving.
Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.
“Are you feeling all right?” I asked her.
“I feel all sleepy, ” she said.
In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.
I actually had measles as a young adult. I thought I had it as a child, but apparently not. Of course we did have the vaccine. We all had the mumps, german measles and chicken pox. Which now I have shingles from, thanks!
I can see being cautious about vaccines when your kids are infants, but before they go to school or daycare, they have to be vaccinated. Link - ( New Window )
“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.
“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.
I guess I'm a bit slow this AM, but you'll have to expand on that comment.
Tobias has endured chickenpox and whooping cough, though Ms. McMenimen said the latter seemed more like a common cold. She considered a tetanus shot after he cut himself on a wire fence but decided against it: “He has such a strong immune system.”
“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.
I guess I'm a bit slow this AM, but you'll have to expand on that comment.
Her daughter had to miss two weeks of school, but there's absolutely no reason to get vaccinated....I know its pretty subtle...and its early
I am guessing it was the (for the times) part that threw him Â
No. Why was it funny "for the Times?" The comment was neither subtle, nor particularly funny (sad, perhaps, even mind-boggling). Would you not have expected the Times to print such a statement? Your readership wants to know.
but you can be sure that this office will get dinged on its Press Ganey and P4P patient satisfaction scores.... which, of course, is now tied to reimbursements.
doesn't every state have similar laws?
or are these home schooled kids with parents against it?
Just not sure who the people are against it other than individualized whackos.
The fairly large and growing outbreak of measles that started in Disneyland CA? It's been in the news recently, the extraordinary return of an eradicated deadly illness because people are stupid.
It was actually 1964's cause, but tragically we have to discuss it again...
when our daughter was ready for her MMR, of course we had friends of family saying "John's daughter was normal until they had that shot.. I heard the same was for Jane's son" and so on.
that struck fear in my wife. we went through with the shots, but it resulted in a very long conversation with our pediatrician on the chemistry of the shots.
My wife felt strongly..or at least SAFER if we could split the shots into 3 shots instead of a "cocktail" of shots. We couldn't, so of course we went through with it.
I was pissed off when these people would put thoughts into my wife's head.. shame on THEM for trying to put our daughters health in jeopardy by talking about something they know nothing about.
The anti-vax movement should be renamed
Maybe anti-science? Anti-intellect?
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The anti-vax movement should be renamed
Maybe anti-science? Anti-intellect?
Pro-disease.
Sheeeeit.
More than half the planet would get a Darwin for not understanding science.
"what if I'M responsible for making this life difficult for our daughter??"
I really wanted to kick people's asses lol
They are strange. Now if measles had continued its downward trend, it would be reasonable to forgo that vaccination. Not today.
We will never be able to forego the measles vaccine. It had been practically eliminated here...
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Anti-vaxxers are some of the most willfully stupid people in the country, I despise that movement.
They are strange. Now if measles had continued its downward trend, it would be reasonable to forgo that vaccination. Not today.
No it wouldn't.
Thinking like that is the reason it's making a comeback.
doesn't every state have similar laws?
or are these home schooled kids with parents against it?
Just not sure who the people are against it other than individualized whackos.
Brilliant analogy.
But there is a legitimate concern about when/how often vaccines are dispensed. For example, my son arrived six weeks early. He was given the MMR shot soon after he was born and had a horrible reaction to it. For three days, he had a fever and just moaned. It scared the hell out of us. Some pediatricians who are very pro-vaccine argue that the MMR shouldn't be given so soon or have issues with the combination being introduced at the same time.
Other pediatricians wonder if booster shots are truly needed if the titer count shows that they are unnecessary.
As someone who has worked closely with pharmaceutical lobbyists, I can tell you that they do everything in their power to sweep under the rug vaccine-related incidents, not only in the United States, but in other countries. We're being lobbied hard right now to pressure the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare to downplay a recent vaccine-related death.
If you YouTube search anti-vaxxer videos, you would want to punch each of those idiots in the face through your screen.
But there is a legitimate concern about when/how often vaccines are dispensed. For example, my son arrived six weeks early. He was given the MMR shot soon after he was born and had a horrible reaction to it. For three days, he had a fever and just moaned. It scared the hell out of us. Some pediatricians who are very pro-vaccine argue that the MMR shouldn't be given so soon or have issues with the combination being introduced at the same time.
Other pediatricians wonder if booster shots are truly needed if the titer count shows that they are unnecessary.
As someone who has worked closely with pharmaceutical lobbyists, I can tell you that they do everything in their power to sweep under the rug vaccine-related incidents, not only in the United States, but in other countries. We're being lobbied hard right now to pressure the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare to downplay a recent vaccine-related death.
Our son (first child) was born five weeks early and they wanted to do the same. We refused and said we would wait until he was a little stronger and bring him back for it and I can tell you they put unbearable pressure on you if you try and do that. If I hadn't been mid forties with a lot of "life's experience" I would have not been confident enough to withstand it alone like that. They really made me to feel like I was doing some horrid thing and when that didn't work they tried to financial pressure me by saying how much additional they would charge me to take him home and return instead of allowing it to be part of the birth cost which I of course had already paid for.
Thanks goodness I was so much older and not the age of most first time fathers who easily may have been less sure of himself and more likely to follow authority when pressured so strongly, or financially strapped like so many first time parent often find themselves because our son ended up having troubles from being so weak, so severe that at one point I truly feared that he wouldn't make it. Worst moment of my life. If he would have had to go through any reaction anywhere close to what your son had to endure he would not have been strong enough to fight it and I am certain he would have died because he was so very close to it without having done so.
We did bring him back after a few months when we were convinced he was strong enough to handle any sort of reaction if it would occur, but I have to tell you they made me feel like and awful father, and almost criminal by not fallowing their guidelines, it was unreal and very hard to stand up to when initially refusing.
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No it was after that. I can't recall exactly which shots they were so maybe it was something other than MMR but it was something that covered a number of things ( I want to say they may have mentioned hepatitis being one but can't say for sure) and they insisted he shouldn't leave without first receiving.
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Ludicrous.
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“Are you feeling all right?” I asked her.
“I feel all sleepy, ” she said.
In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.
I actually had measles as a young adult. I thought I had it as a child, but apparently not. Of course we did have the vaccine. We all had the mumps, german measles and chicken pox. Which now I have shingles from, thanks!
I can see being cautious about vaccines when your kids are infants, but before they go to school or daycare, they have to be vaccinated.
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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles - ( New Window )
I guess I'm a bit slow this AM, but you'll have to expand on that comment.
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“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.
I guess I'm a bit slow this AM, but you'll have to expand on that comment.
Her daughter had to miss two weeks of school, but there's absolutely no reason to get vaccinated....I know its pretty subtle...and its early
Right you are, Steverino. I guess I'm not the only one who is a bit slow this AM. Fortunately, you aren't.
No. Why was it funny "for the Times?" The comment was neither subtle, nor particularly funny (sad, perhaps, even mind-boggling). Would you not have expected the Times to print such a statement? Your readership wants to know.