Then you have more than measles to worry about. Maybe we should mandate that everyone wear surgical masks and rubber suits when going into public.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
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Then you have more than measles to worry about. Maybe we should mandate that everyone wear surgical masks and rubber suits when going into public.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
There is a huge difference between being prohibited from putting something in your body and being forced to.
Without wading into this debate [again], I would just point out that some of you seem to infer that doctor's recommendations are never wrong. Facts clearly prove otherwise. In fact, medical error is a fairly routine cause of death and other serious maladies here in the US and around the world. Medical science is not inerrant. This is not a minor point in my consideration of whether or not people should be forced by the state to vaccinate their children.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
Without wading into this debate [again], I would just point out that some of you seem to infer that doctor's recommendations are never wrong. Facts clearly prove otherwise. In fact, medical error is a fairly routine cause of death and other serious maladies here in the US and around the world. Medical science is not inerrant. This is not a minor point in my consideration of whether or not people should be forced by the state to vaccinate their children.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
But if your idiotic decision based on nothing more than fear or junk science gets my child sick, I will make sure to kick the shit out of your selfish ass.
for the welfare of me and my families welfare to protect us from assholes like you and your family who will infect me and mine by mandated vaccinations
Very few people in this thread arguing about freedom to decide on whether to vaccinate their children or not have ever seen kids afflicted with the ailments and effects of surviving some of the most contagious, dangerous, and at the same time preventable diseases. All you have to go on is this notion that since you live in an incredibly healthy (from communicable diseases) nation, your decision will have little negative impact. And this may be true for most people. However, the moment your child or anyone else close to you end up contracting something that was wholly preventable, you'll be praying to Jesus that you hope the doctors can save them.
It's all everyone elses' problem until you have to face the horrors of seeing your child suffer through something that was preventable from the start. So fuck your freedom when it comes to vaccination.
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for the welfare of me and my families welfare to protect us from assholes like you and your family who will infect me and mine by mandated vaccinations
It's not the vaccines I have an issue with. My kids are vaccinated.
It's the precedent it sets that say government can tell you what you have to put into your body that worries me.
Then you have more than measles to worry about. Maybe we should mandate that everyone wear surgical masks and rubber suits when going into public.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
There is a huge difference between being prohibited from putting something in your body and being forced to.
For the purposes of this argument and the way it's been framed, there's no difference at all.
Without wading into this debate [again], I would just point out that some of you seem to infer that doctor's recommendations are never wrong. Facts clearly prove otherwise. In fact, medical error is a fairly routine cause of death and other serious maladies here in the US and around the world. Medical science is not inerrant. This is not a minor point in my consideration of whether or not people should be forced by the state to vaccinate their children.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
I get it. I don't trust doctors. Most are stuck in one mode when it comes to treatment. I've spent a lot of time looking at alternative medicine and diet and a lot of it makes sense and I see it creeping into traditional medicine.
But vaccines are proven to prevent disease. The hype against them is just that. The government can't force you to vaccinate your kids. But they can refuse to allow them in schools or other places where they are required. Your choice.
Oh no, someone on the internet threaten to kick my ass and called me names.
Anyhow, why let things like reasoned debate and civil liberties get in the way of your opinions?
Yeah...that post in response to yours should have ended with "general you" and not specifically you. I should have specifically stated that...as I can completely see how that came out. My apology if you thought I was making a threat at you...it was a general sentiment at anyone who puts my kids in danger through their own selfishness.
And civil liberties be damned if your (general your) actions/inactions put others in danger. To choose not to vaccinate your children because of shit science and some talking twats should automatically negate your right to be a parent.
Btw, the result in the Italian court case reminds me greatly of the bizarre pseudoscience surrounding the Amanda Knox murder case. Why use real science when there are so many other ways to reach a conclusion?
who you want to trust. Thousands of independent scientists with tens of thousands of pages in peer reviewed journal articles or Jenny McCarthy? If you pick Jenny McCarthy you are a fucking idiot and I could not care less what happens to your civil liberties.
vaccination because they don't like the government and they can't differentiate between the health of their kids and their hate of all things government makes me wonder why they choose to raise kids in this country?
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vaccination because they don't like the government and they can't differentiate between the health of their kids and their hate of all things government makes me wonder why they choose to raise kids in this country?
Maybe as fuck trophies?
Italy has also jailed scientists for failing to predict an earthquake Â
but there was a decent chance I was going to be on national tv w/ Jenny McCarthy on NYE in TS as a happy reveler. She was supposed to ask me if I was having fun and I was seriously thinking about looking into the camera and saying "America, vaccinate your children!".
Civil liberties as defined in the Constitution... Â
to the extent that they actually are, were created long before immunization science existed. Your civil liberties stop at the outer layer of my child's skin. It's not like abortion, or hard drugs, or any other issue where there are two sides to the debate, largely based upon belief systems. Immunization eradicated polio in almost every country in the developed world. It eradicated measles in this country, before some quack doctor made himself rich lying about the supposed link with Autism.
Btw, it is hard to do double-blind studies wrt the supposed MMR/autism link, but their are so many easy ways around
that, such as the impressive studies comparing the US and Denmark.
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For many years, groups touting the idea that vaccines cause autism have pointed to Denmark as part of their argument. Denmark uses fewer vaccines than the U.S.. Generation Rescue used to have this on their website discussion of vaccines:
Comment: Denmark is a first world country based in Western Europe. Their schedule appears far more reasonable than ours. They have also been reported to have a much lower rate of autism than the U.S. Do they know something we don’t?
What was that Danish vaccine schedule that Generation Rescue recommended?
DTaP at 3, 5 and 12 months
Hib at 3, 5 and 12 months
IPV at 3, 5 and 12 months, plus 5 years
MMR at 15 months and 12 years
No mercury (Denmark phased that out in 1992). No birth dose of Hepatitis B. Fewer vaccines overall than in the U.S.. And the same autism prevalence of about 1%....
So, we have 1.4% in Denmark and 0.8%, nearly half the Danish prevalence, in the U.S.. Denmark had no thimerosal, no Hepatitis B shot (birth or otherwise), fewer vaccines and less aluminum exposure. And much higher reported autism prevalence...
The prevalence of childhood autism (basically what was studied in the 2003 paper) in Denmark is flat from birth cohorts 1996-2004. Flat. The prevalence of ASD’s do see a decline. That must be it! Evidence that thimerosal was causing autism in Denmark! But it isn’t. The prevalence of ASD in 2003-04 is the same as that in 1990-91, before thimerosal was removed.
I've been around here long enough to know you weren't threatening me and we're all basically having a good spirited debate. Enough bout dat.
I'm a pretty staunch libraterian so while I'm not comfortable with science deniers, I'm less comfortable with the notion of government intervention in the affairs of my health. Still, I get it that non vax people can compromise vax efforts and public health. Its just that I'm more comfortable with that risk than I am with the problems I see (or imagine) with the risk of state tyranny.
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vaccination because they don't like the government and they can't differentiate between the health of their kids and their hate of all things government makes me wonder why they choose to raise kids in this country?
Maybe as fuck trophies?
Look at me! I'm special! I don't vaccinate my kids! I'm a better parent than you!
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vaccination because they don't like the government and they can't differentiate between the health of their kids and their hate of all things government makes me wonder why they choose to raise kids in this country?
I may have missed it, but I don't believe anyone wrote they would forgo vaccinations because of "they don't like the government". People have fears and will act on them. Some are afraid of the measles vaccination, and therefore don’t get their families vaccinated. As a responsible adult you have to ask yourself how to protect your family, regardless of what others do. The answer is very simple, get your family vaccinated. That way it doesn’t matter what your neighbor does, you’re protected. RCO vaccinate your kids, and then you don’t have to worry about whose ass you’re going kick. As you’ve said the protection is there and available and the science proves it; so do the responsible thing and protect your family. Because if you don’t and someone in your family get the measles, that’s on you.
To see if financial liability arises from the carelessness and stupidity of these parents. My guess is that their "beliefs" fall by the way side in the face of a real cost to their hubris.
I’m dating myself a bit, and don’t know how old you are. When I was kid, just about everyone alive in the US had the measles at some point in their life(if you’re too young, ask your parents they probably had them). People weren’t dying all over the place; most didn’t even go to see the doctor. You got them, you got a low level fever, your parents gave you baby aspirin, and put you in bed for five days. By day three you were pissed off because, other than the spots on your body, you were feeling no effects and wanted to get up and go play; but your parents wouldn’t let you because you were still contagious. No one panicked, parent didn’t stay up worrying all night that little Johnny might not be alive or on life support by morning; you got them and five days later they were gone. And thats how it went for generations before the vaccine.
The measles has not been a source of concern for generations? Â
Again, proclaiming (loudly) that you don't know the secondary factors related to the disease (bronchitis and pneumonia) are not something I'd be proud of.
Perhaps you don't know what was one of the leading causes of death in 1900's America (up until around 1940, which is a "few generations" back)?
It was pneumonia, which is a very real worry with measles, considering, of course, that measles is a respiratory disease. You can also check out the other leading causes of death during these generations. There were a variety of respiratory illnesses (which can be the secondary infections resulting from contracting the measles) on there.
I’m dating myself a bit, and don’t know how old you are. When I was kid, just about everyone alive in the US had the measles at some point in their life(if you’re too young, ask your parents they probably had them). People weren’t dying all over the place; most didn’t even go to see the doctor. You got them, you got a low level fever, your parents gave you baby aspirin, and put you in bed for five days. By day three you were pissed off because, other than the spots on your body, you were feeling no effects and wanted to get up and go play; but your parents wouldn’t let you because you were still contagious. No one panicked, parent didn’t stay up worrying all night that little Johnny might not be alive or on life support by morning; you got them and five days later they were gone. And thats how it went for generations before the vaccine.
That might be true for the general public but for the very young, the elderly, the infirm and the immunocompromised a disease like the measels can and does cause death in some cases. You saw the information from the WHO further up the thread.
The whole idea of widespread vaccination is to directly protect those who can be vaccinated and indirectly protect those who cannot for medical reasons via herd immunity. That all breaks down when stupid people ignore voluminous amounts of data and general scientific consensus in order to make a selfish choice that endangers themselves and others.
Oh. Perhaps you'd like to take a look of what the impact Â
if you didn't have either chicken pox or the mumps, I believe it was chicken pox and one of friends did, your parents sent you to their house so you could catch it. It was a common practice, but no one I know wanted anything to do with measles
I offer this fact
-In 2014 Dr. William H. Thompson confessed that he was directed by the CDC to change the results his team had found on the MMR vaccine .His team had found that in particular among African-American males if you were vaccinated before the age of three you had a 3-4 times greater chance of developing autism. That sure sounds like a vaccine causing autism to me, oh and the particular vaccine in Dr. Wakefield's study, what a coincidence. It's funny that the major news outlets made very little mention of this, a government agency directly deceiving the American public.
You can go ahead with the attack dogs and mob mentality now which I am sure will follow, but you should know that all my children are vaccinated and I have never advised anyone not to vaccinate!
Oh and another fun fact, you CANNOT sue the pharmaceutical companies for adverse effects from a vaccine!
As a responsible adult you have to ask yourself how to protect your family, regardless of what others do. The answer is very simple, get your family vaccinated. That way it doesn’t matter what your neighbor does, you’re protected.
Doesn't work that way. Even after the 1st shot at 12-18 months of age and the second shot at kindergarten age the vaccine is not effective for 100% of the vaccinated. It does matter what my neighbor does if I'm in that percent that the vaccine didn't work on, I'm under 12 months old or under 6 years old. Herd immunity works. Anti-vaxxers weaken it.
But vaccines are proven to prevent disease. The hype against them is just that. The government can't force you to vaccinate your kids. But they can refuse to allow them in schools or other places where they are required. Your choice.
Does anyone deny that vaccines work? Do even the most passionate anti-vaccine folks distrust the science behind vaccinations and what makes them effective?
If that's an argument, I haven't heard anyone make it. I think their skepticism is targeted more towards those who make and sell the vaccines.
I hope to hell their suspicion and skepticism are wrong because we've opted to have every vaccine applied to our son, but it sure as hell wouldn'tbethefirsttime something was simply accepted on faith to be safe and only eventually wound up being proven not to be.
Over time with a better fed population and improvements in hygiene, as well as improvements in the ability to treat secondary conditions. Good stuff.
How that has suddenly become an excuse to act like an idiot and allow virtually eradicated diseases to re-emerge is beyond me. Mumps decreased in lethality - why bother? Diphtheria? Sure.
After while those 1 or 2 deaths per thousand add up, but good job, your "civil liberties" are intact.
That no one is bothered by the CDC falsifying their own study when they are the ones recommending the vaccine schedule. It seems people are just more interested in attacking anyone who dares to speak about vaccines. The name calling is ludicrous and the fact is that most of the people opting out (and again I do not recommend this) are among the more well educated, a fact cited often by known vaccine defender Dr. Paul Offit who makes millions off vaccines.
That no one is bothered by the CDC falsifying their own study when they are the ones recommending the vaccine schedule. It seems people are just more interested in attacking anyone who dares to speak about vaccines. The name calling is ludicrous and the fact is that most of the people opting out (and again I do not recommend this) are among the more well educated, a fact cited often by known vaccine defender Dr. Paul Offit who makes millions off vaccines.
Provide the link that you got your info from. Let's start there.
Not providing the link I am not good with that stuff, it is available on the age of autism web site, but wouldn't you think that a story of that magnitude would have made more of a splash in the national news media!
And again I am NOT against vaccines, but the schedule went out of control in 1987 to the tune of 36 vaccines by age two, vaccines have controlled a variety of deadly diseases but are we healthier as a nation, look around especially at the children auto-immune disorders are through the roof!
is the end-all of all topics but here is what they have to say about the claim, The CDC has intentionally suppressed proof of vaccine-related cases of autism in African-American boys from reaching the public.
Is only based on "faith", you need to pay closer attention.
What else can it be based upon? You can't prove something is entirely safe.
50-100 years from now, our grandkids or great grandkids will watch a period piece (probably a holographic one?) set in the early 2000's, and they'll say, "Wow, they actually didn't know _________ was dangerous back then?" It's pretty much inevitable. I just hope __________ isn't vaccines.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
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Then you have more than measles to worry about. Maybe we should mandate that everyone wear surgical masks and rubber suits when going into public.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
There is a huge difference between being prohibited from putting something in your body and being forced to.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
But if your idiotic decision based on nothing more than fear or junk science gets my child sick, I will make sure to kick the shit out of your selfish ass.
It's all everyone elses' problem until you have to face the horrors of seeing your child suffer through something that was preventable from the start. So fuck your freedom when it comes to vaccination.
It's not the vaccines I have an issue with. My kids are vaccinated.
It's the precedent it sets that say government can tell you what you have to put into your body that worries me.
You can't tell the difference between the government controlling public water systems and being forced to put something into your own body?
Again, I'm 100% pro vaccines and think everyone who can should receive them. I just hate the idea of losing autonomy of my own body.
Anyhow, why let things like reasoned debate and civil liberties get in the way of your opinions?
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Then you have more than measles to worry about. Maybe we should mandate that everyone wear surgical masks and rubber suits when going into public.
Kicker it’s called personal freedom/choice, my body is my body and I have the right to decide what goes into it; and I owe no one an explanation when I say no. Would you rather let the government health system decide and determine what vaccinations we all should be subject to and then mandate them? And what about those who choose not to comply? Send out the goon squads to hold them down and forcibly vaccinate them. Once you give that freedom up, what’s next?
Try walking into your local police station smoking a joint or huffing some coke. After all, it's your body, and it's none of their business making such things illegal.
There is a huge difference between being prohibited from putting something in your body and being forced to.
For the purposes of this argument and the way it's been framed, there's no difference at all.
Personally, I'm pro-life. But, yes, I feel that government has no right to outlaw abortion.
Like with many debates, this one is interesting because there isn't one side that is entirely correct. Sure, some vaccines are mostly safe and effective. However, some other vaccines are neither entirely safe nor proven to be effective.
People should be free to live their own lives. Parents should be allowed to make medical decisions for their children.
I get it. I don't trust doctors. Most are stuck in one mode when it comes to treatment. I've spent a lot of time looking at alternative medicine and diet and a lot of it makes sense and I see it creeping into traditional medicine.
But vaccines are proven to prevent disease. The hype against them is just that. The government can't force you to vaccinate your kids. But they can refuse to allow them in schools or other places where they are required. Your choice.
Anyhow, why let things like reasoned debate and civil liberties get in the way of your opinions?
Yeah...that post in response to yours should have ended with "general you" and not specifically you. I should have specifically stated that...as I can completely see how that came out. My apology if you thought I was making a threat at you...it was a general sentiment at anyone who puts my kids in danger through their own selfishness.
And civil liberties be damned if your (general your) actions/inactions put others in danger. To choose not to vaccinate your children because of shit science and some talking twats should automatically negate your right to be a parent.
How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? - ( New Window )
Maybe as fuck trophies?
Btw, it is hard to do double-blind studies wrt the supposed MMR/autism link, but their are so many easy ways around
that, such as the impressive studies comparing the US and Denmark.
Comment: Denmark is a first world country based in Western Europe. Their schedule appears far more reasonable than ours. They have also been reported to have a much lower rate of autism than the U.S. Do they know something we don’t?
What was that Danish vaccine schedule that Generation Rescue recommended?
DTaP at 3, 5 and 12 months
Hib at 3, 5 and 12 months
IPV at 3, 5 and 12 months, plus 5 years
MMR at 15 months and 12 years
No mercury (Denmark phased that out in 1992). No birth dose of Hepatitis B. Fewer vaccines overall than in the U.S.. And the same autism prevalence of about 1%....
So, we have 1.4% in Denmark and 0.8%, nearly half the Danish prevalence, in the U.S.. Denmark had no thimerosal, no Hepatitis B shot (birth or otherwise), fewer vaccines and less aluminum exposure. And much higher reported autism prevalence...
The prevalence of childhood autism (basically what was studied in the 2003 paper) in Denmark is flat from birth cohorts 1996-2004. Flat. The prevalence of ASD’s do see a decline. That must be it! Evidence that thimerosal was causing autism in Denmark! But it isn’t. The prevalence of ASD in 2003-04 is the same as that in 1990-91, before thimerosal was removed.
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I'm a pretty staunch libraterian so while I'm not comfortable with science deniers, I'm less comfortable with the notion of government intervention in the affairs of my health. Still, I get it that non vax people can compromise vax efforts and public health. Its just that I'm more comfortable with that risk than I am with the problems I see (or imagine) with the risk of state tyranny.
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vaccination because they don't like the government and they can't differentiate between the health of their kids and their hate of all things government makes me wonder why they choose to raise kids in this country?
Maybe as fuck trophies?
Look at me! I'm special! I don't vaccinate my kids! I'm a better parent than you!
I may have missed it, but I don't believe anyone wrote they would forgo vaccinations because of "they don't like the government". People have fears and will act on them. Some are afraid of the measles vaccination, and therefore don’t get their families vaccinated. As a responsible adult you have to ask yourself how to protect your family, regardless of what others do. The answer is very simple, get your family vaccinated. That way it doesn’t matter what your neighbor does, you’re protected. RCO vaccinate your kids, and then you don’t have to worry about whose ass you’re going kick. As you’ve said the protection is there and available and the science proves it; so do the responsible thing and protect your family. Because if you don’t and someone in your family get the measles, that’s on you.
Perhaps you don't know what was one of the leading causes of death in 1900's America (up until around 1940, which is a "few generations" back)?
It was pneumonia, which is a very real worry with measles, considering, of course, that measles is a respiratory disease. You can also check out the other leading causes of death during these generations. There were a variety of respiratory illnesses (which can be the secondary infections resulting from contracting the measles) on there.
But yeah, not a worry. Jiminy christmas.
That might be true for the general public but for the very young, the elderly, the infirm and the immunocompromised a disease like the measels can and does cause death in some cases. You saw the information from the WHO further up the thread.
The whole idea of widespread vaccination is to directly protect those who can be vaccinated and indirectly protect those who cannot for medical reasons via herd immunity. That all breaks down when stupid people ignore voluminous amounts of data and general scientific consensus in order to make a selfish choice that endangers themselves and others.
-In 2014 Dr. William H. Thompson confessed that he was directed by the CDC to change the results his team had found on the MMR vaccine .His team had found that in particular among African-American males if you were vaccinated before the age of three you had a 3-4 times greater chance of developing autism. That sure sounds like a vaccine causing autism to me, oh and the particular vaccine in Dr. Wakefield's study, what a coincidence. It's funny that the major news outlets made very little mention of this, a government agency directly deceiving the American public.
You can go ahead with the attack dogs and mob mentality now which I am sure will follow, but you should know that all my children are vaccinated and I have never advised anyone not to vaccinate!
Oh and another fun fact, you CANNOT sue the pharmaceutical companies for adverse effects from a vaccine!
There are outlier quacks in every population...
Doesn't work that way. Even after the 1st shot at 12-18 months of age and the second shot at kindergarten age the vaccine is not effective for 100% of the vaccinated. It does matter what my neighbor does if I'm in that percent that the vaccine didn't work on, I'm under 12 months old or under 6 years old. Herd immunity works. Anti-vaxxers weaken it.
Does anyone deny that vaccines work? Do even the most passionate anti-vaccine folks distrust the science behind vaccinations and what makes them effective?
If that's an argument, I haven't heard anyone make it. I think their skepticism is targeted more towards those who make and sell the vaccines.
I hope to hell their suspicion and skepticism are wrong because we've opted to have every vaccine applied to our son, but it sure as hell wouldn't be the first time something was simply accepted on faith to be safe and only eventually wound up being proven not to be.
How that has suddenly become an excuse to act like an idiot and allow virtually eradicated diseases to re-emerge is beyond me. Mumps decreased in lethality - why bother? Diphtheria? Sure.
After while those 1 or 2 deaths per thousand add up, but good job, your "civil liberties" are intact.
Provide the link that you got your info from. Let's start there.
And again I am NOT against vaccines, but the schedule went out of control in 1987 to the tune of 36 vaccines by age two, vaccines have controlled a variety of deadly diseases but are we healthier as a nation, look around especially at the children auto-immune disorders are through the roof!
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What else can it be based upon? You can't prove something is entirely safe.
50-100 years from now, our grandkids or great grandkids will watch a period piece (probably a holographic one?) set in the early 2000's, and they'll say, "Wow, they actually didn't know _________ was dangerous back then?" It's pretty much inevitable. I just hope __________ isn't vaccines.