Just trying to add a little humor to the situation to lighten things up. You asked for someone to say something funny and original, my corny joke was about as old an unoriginal as it gets. Oh never mind.
influx of child immigrants? There was talk at the time that many were not vaccinated and had measles.
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Texas Observer - July 10, 2014 Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a Fox News commentator and former director of the ultra-conservative political group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writes in the McAllen Monitor that measles is among the “diseases the United States had controlled or virtually eradicated” that are “carried across the border by this tsunami of illegals.”
Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That’s better than American kids (92 percent).
Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that the U.S. has eradicated measles while Central America has not. In fact, measles outbreaks have resurged in some American cities. By contrast, according to the World Health Organization, neither Guatemala nor Honduras has had a reported case of measles since 1990.
come across the Atlantic, they bring hard work and a can do spirit. All the bad illegal immigrants come from the South. They bring disease and laziness and mooching off the government teat
influx of child immigrants? There was talk at the time that many were not vaccinated and had measles.
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Texas Observer - July 10, 2014
Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a Fox News commentator and former director of the ultra-conservative political group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writes in the McAllen Monitor that measles is among the “diseases the United States had controlled or virtually eradicated” that are “carried across the border by this tsunami of illegals.”
Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That’s better than American kids (92 percent).
Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that the U.S. has eradicated measles while Central America has not. In fact, measles outbreaks have resurged in some American cities. By contrast, according to the World Health Organization, neither Guatemala nor Honduras has had a reported case of measles since 1990.
Are there contrary stats? Link - ( New Window )
Pretty sure I also made this point earlier in this thread, but without linking evidence, so thank you for helping to put to bed the tired "hordes of unwashed immigrants spreading disease" spin that certain pseudo-news organizations want to spread.
Not to get TOO political, but Rand Paul asked for it. Â
The AAPS is a wacko conspiracy theorist group, with which Rand Paul has a 25-year-plus relationship as member and relatively frequent speaker.
From Wiki, but it can easily be confirmed elsewhere:
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While AAPS describes itself as "non-partisan", the organization is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative. The AAPS opposed the Social Security Act of 1965 which established Medicare and Medicaid, arguing that "the effect of the law is evil and participation in carrying out its provisions is, in our opinion, immoral", and encouraged member physicians to boycott Medicare and Medicaid. AAPS argues that individuals should purchase medical care directly from doctors, and that there is no right to medical care. The organization requires its members to sign a "declaration of independence" pledging that they will not work with Medicare, Medicaid, or even private insurance companies.
AAPS opposes mandated evidence-based medicine and practice guidelines, criticizing them as a usurpation of physician autonomy and a fascist merger of state and corporate power driven by the pharmaceutical industry. Other procedures that AAPS opposes include abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. AAPS also opposes electronic medical records as well as any "direct or de facto supervision or control over the practice of medicine by federal officers or employees."
On October 25, 2008 the AAPS website published an editorial implying that Barack Obama was using Neuro-linguistic Programming, "a covert form of hypnosis", to coerce people to vote for him in his 2008 presidential campaign.
Of course they (and Rand Paul) are anti-vaxxers, because you can't confirm hundreds of millions of vaccinations without electronic records.
The group has a standing claim, which it has never retracted, that illegals caused an outbreak of 7,000 cases of leoprosy in 3 years. That is actually the 30-year number, with no discernible increase in the rate of infection.
The public record of Rand Paul's speeches to this group are already causing severe damage within Republican circles.
--that human activity has not contributed to climate change, and that global warming will be beneficial and thus not a cause for concern (ed. note: tell that to Bangladesh--and Miami.) ;
--that HIV does not cause AIDS;
--that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.
"I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related -- I did not allege causation, Paul said. "I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated."
The Kentucky Republican, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, said that he received a booster shot on Tuesday for vaccinations he got for a trip to Guatemala last year.
And he tweeted a photo of his trip to the doctor:"
Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul
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Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?
5:30 PM - 3 Feb 2015
"I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related -- I did not allege causation, Paul said. "I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated."
The Kentucky Republican, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, said that he received a booster shot on Tuesday for vaccinations he got for a trip to Guatemala last year.
And he tweeted a photo of his trip to the doctor:"
Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul
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Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?
5:30 PM - 3 Feb 2015
Listen to Deirdre Imus on Imus in the Morning on this subject. She is a raving lunatic. Would not even let the sane person in the discussion talk. Imus had to cut the mic on her.
You're going to get pissed off a lot. If people want to actuallu get racist, Im sure my response will be a bit different, but are these ribbing really something to get offended by? Not to me.
Of course, the liberal media doesn't need to say anything. They just have to go to your speeches to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and to your interviews while you were running for Senator. And to the long list of wacko positions from an organization you formally associated with since at least 1990.
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The first sort of thing you see with martial law is mandates, and they’re talking about making it mandatory...
The whole problem is not necessarily good versus bad on vaccines, it’s whether it should be mandatory or the individual makes the decision. And sometimes you want to not be the first one to get a new procedure, you want to see if it works well before you choose.
Even hard-core conservatives including neo-cons such as John Podhoretz are now taking potshots at him.
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That is why Rand Paul’s response to the Christie kerfuffle was so revelatory and so damaging to the Kentucky senator’s desire to establish himself as the more mainstream face of the libertarian perspective that made his father Ron such a powerful fund-raiser and vote-getter in 2008 and 2012.
“For the most part, [vaccination] ought to be voluntary,” Paul said in what has to be considered one of the most irresponsible remarks ever uttered by a major American politician.
Christie stepped in it by trying to be polite on a subject where he should’ve been more plain-spoken.
Paul stepped in it by showing us what he really believes.
Translation: Paul needs to focus on getting re-elected as a Senator, not on becoming the prsidential candidate.
not merely Headhunter who might explode, but others as well, to ABC's "Fresh Off the Boat". The commercials make it look like there might be one or two...million stereotypes.
don't bother me, the repeated use of the same unoriginal stereotype that is mind numbing in its lack of creativity and humor bothers me. Shock the world and come up with something we haven't seen or reads million times before. If you do, I will applaud you
John Podhoretz and his ilk hate Rand Paul and libertarianism. Of course they're taking shots at him. And his comment about the media is legitimate given that most of the antivaxxer crew is on the left, and are pandered to quite a bit by major Dems like Hillary and Obama.
RE: Im wondering what the reaction is going to be Â
not merely Headhunter who might explode, but others as well, to ABC's "Fresh Off the Boat". The commercials make it look like there might be one or two...million stereotypes.
I expect either a comedy with sharp humor and wit successfully targeting the stereotype of Asian immigrants or a disaster that just furthers the stereotype of Asian immigrants with weak attempt at cheap humor. My money is on the latter.
RE: So far, I think I am going to be a Walker fan, Â
don't bother me, the repeated use of the same unoriginal stereotype that is mind numbing in its lack of creativity and humor bothers me. Shock the world and come up with something we haven't seen or reads million times before. If you do, I will applaud you
Ha. I think you rigged that just to save yourself from applauding. I don't think it's even possible by definition to come up with an original stereotype.
Since anti-vaxxers don't know how to read, I'll do them a favor Â
don't bother me, the repeated use of the same unoriginal stereotype that is mind numbing in its lack of creativity and humor bothers me. Shock the world and come up with something we haven't seen or reads million times before. If you do, I will applaud you
Ha. I think you rigged that just to save yourself from applauding. I don't think it's even possible by definition to come up with an original stereotype.
Original stereotype...isn't that an oxymoron? By definition all stereotypes are unoriginal since it's "a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing."
It is ridiculous for any of these candidates to suggest Â
we shouldn't be vaccinating our children, and voters should remember it when they go the polls.
Of course, it was also ridiculous years earlier when candidate Obama and Hilary Clinton both suggested there were dangers to vaccinations... but I guess since Jenny McCarty and her Hollywood clan were also making noise about it back then... it wasn't worth covering in the press to the same degree.
John Podhoretz and his ilk hate Rand Paul and libertarianism. Of course they're taking shots at him. And his comment about the media is legitimate given that most of the antivaxxer crew is on the left, and are pandered to quite a bit by major Dems like Hillary and Obama.
To be fair, many mainstream Libertarians have a ton of issues with their platforms and their cult-like mentality.
They have ignored the teachings of Hayek, and latch onto the extremely warped messages of Friedman and Ayn Rand, who violated a lot of their own principles over the years (biographies of Rand don't paint a flattering picture of how she treated people who utilized their free will to disagree with parts of her messages).
Plus, a lot of mainstream Libertarians often violate their own principles. Every answer is about personal freedoms, and yet when it comes to certain issues (abortions and immigration, to name but 2), they typically swing to positions that aren't congruent with their underlying message.
The selective Libertarianism is not an issue, but they fail to realize that social restrictions by stigma or demagoguery are nearly as bad as misguided actions by a governmental authority. And they often utilize their platforms to cause some pretty major harms.
That's why I truly admire the true Libertarians (the consistent ones). I don't agree with their message, but they believe in personal freedoms, except in the case of significant societal externalities. And both the Pauls are not in this group.
Well, on the last, you have to allow that opinions can change Â
it might get long. At least, the split will be more ideologically predictable, I think, because the science is so intertwined with economics and that's not the case with MMR.
it took a beating when it was called Global Warming.Made it too easy for the anti science crowd on a freezing day in winter in the cold weather states to scoff at Global Warming
a political standpoint. Everyone, at least at first prior to all the blowback, was rushing to take the libertarian stance on this - but its not the popular view to have on this issue. Vaccines are kind of like the political smell test to see what politicians are willing to pander shamelessly even in the face of science. Rand Paul and Chris Christie each failed miserably.
RE: This whole vaccination thing has been very interesting from Â
a political standpoint. Everyone, at least at first prior to all the blowback, was rushing to take the libertarian stance on this - but its not the popular view to have on this issue. Vaccines are kind of like the political smell test to see what politicians are willing to pander shamelessly even in the face of science. Rand Paul and Chris Christie each failed miserably.
MS and WV do not allow philosophical or religious exemptions, and as a result those two states have some of the highest vaccination rates in the country. They may have a problem with fat and diabetes, but they are leading the way in this particular area. CA is now considering joining that front, which I wholeheartedly endorse. link - ( New Window )
areas of discussion here I have been one of the more libertarian voices putting my opinions out there for the pubic of BBI to dissect, so I'm not sure I feel comfortable with some of what I have been reading here.
I actually agree with public vaccination policy. It's proven science, and although it does come dangerously close to lines in the sand that I would rather the government not be able to cross when it comes to the rights of the individual to decide for themselves how best to pursue their own aims, including the ares of health and personal wellbeing, I feel like robust vaccination policy is in the best interest of country and society at large, and while forced medicine by and large is something to be avoided, this issue falls on the line of the sand of public good.
Many libertarians, if you like the label, feel that way, by the way
blind ideology is destructive. The basic idea of a forced medical treatment of any kind would generally go against libertarian ideals, but many of us are thinking, rational people, who come to our views for a reason.
We are not all anti-science, paranoid whatever...................
Children should be vaccinated. There should be high standards as to which vaccinations should be mandated, and it should be a process of validation under perpetual and thorough review as like minded people such as myself entrust the powers that be to walk that fine line in the area of public good.
seems to me to be the choice to save your children from a lifetime of potential physical and mental misery or death versus the other side of the line having to swallow and accept that this government program is one of the reasons we formed a government in the first place
More unoriginal Asian stereotype joke...but this time by a head of state (Argentina).
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Embattled Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, while on a state visit to China seeking badly needed investment, caused a furor Wednesday by joking about her hosts' accents on Twitter.
Fernandez tried to mimic a Chinese accent by switching "r's" with "l's" in a tweet in Spanish that translates as: "Did they only come for lice and petloleum."
A few minutes later, she added: "Sorry, the levels of ridiculousness and absurdity are so high they can only be digested with humor."
The tweets came as she met with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
As of late Wednesday, there was no official response from China about the comments by Fernandez, a prolific tweeter who has 3.53 million followers.
But that didn't stop the Twitterverse in the South American country and beyond from exploding with criticism of what many considered a racist tweet.
"Cristina Fernandez's lack of tack and respect is incredible," wrote @FaundezLafarga. "She goes to China looking for (economic) agreements and she makes fun of their accents."
@GuyChazan wrote: "Faux pas in China. Really, this sort of joke went out of fashion in the 70s."
Rather a moronic thing to do during your visit to an Asian nation that you are seeking investments from. Link - ( New Window )
Really, this sort of joke went out of fashion in the 70s." Â
Did it go out of fashion? Or did it lose its racist bite? It's a silly joke that people tell at the expense of Asian immigrants...sort of like the whole dogs and cats for dinner joke that gets thrown around every once in a while. In the end, they're dumb and silly but nothing to get all worked up about.
And who's insulting the Irish? It's a compliment to be compared to Korea.
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I shouldn't belittle your nationality while you're busy making fun of the Irish. :)
And who's insulting the Irish? It's a compliment to be compared to Korea.
You and your twisted juche beliefs
Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?
badum-ching
Just trying to add a little humor to the situation to lighten things up. You asked for someone to say something funny and original, my corny joke was about as old an unoriginal as it gets. Oh never mind.
Texas Observer - July 10, 2014
Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a Fox News commentator and former director of the ultra-conservative political group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writes in the McAllen Monitor that measles is among the “diseases the United States had controlled or virtually eradicated” that are “carried across the border by this tsunami of illegals.”
Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That’s better than American kids (92 percent).
Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that the U.S. has eradicated measles while Central America has not. In fact, measles outbreaks have resurged in some American cities. By contrast, according to the World Health Organization, neither Guatemala nor Honduras has had a reported case of measles since 1990.
Are there contrary stats?
Link - ( New Window )
Quote:
influx of child immigrants? There was talk at the time that many were not vaccinated and had measles.
\
Texas Observer - July 10, 2014
Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a Fox News commentator and former director of the ultra-conservative political group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writes in the McAllen Monitor that measles is among the “diseases the United States had controlled or virtually eradicated” that are “carried across the border by this tsunami of illegals.”
Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That’s better than American kids (92 percent).
Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that the U.S. has eradicated measles while Central America has not. In fact, measles outbreaks have resurged in some American cities. By contrast, according to the World Health Organization, neither Guatemala nor Honduras has had a reported case of measles since 1990.
Are there contrary stats? Link - ( New Window )
Pretty sure I also made this point earlier in this thread, but without linking evidence, so thank you for helping to put to bed the tired "hordes of unwashed immigrants spreading disease" spin that certain pseudo-news organizations want to spread.
From Wiki, but it can easily be confirmed elsewhere:
AAPS opposes mandated evidence-based medicine and practice guidelines, criticizing them as a usurpation of physician autonomy and a fascist merger of state and corporate power driven by the pharmaceutical industry. Other procedures that AAPS opposes include abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. AAPS also opposes electronic medical records as well as any "direct or de facto supervision or control over the practice of medicine by federal officers or employees."
On October 25, 2008 the AAPS website published an editorial implying that Barack Obama was using Neuro-linguistic Programming, "a covert form of hypnosis", to coerce people to vote for him in his 2008 presidential campaign.
Of course they (and Rand Paul) are anti-vaxxers, because you can't confirm hundreds of millions of vaccinations without electronic records.
The group has a standing claim, which it has never retracted, that illegals caused an outbreak of 7,000 cases of leoprosy in 3 years. That is actually the 30-year number, with no discernible increase in the rate of infection.
The public record of Rand Paul's speeches to this group are already causing severe damage within Republican circles.
Link - ( New Window )
--that human activity has not contributed to climate change, and that global warming will be beneficial and thus not a cause for concern (ed. note: tell that to Bangladesh--and Miami.) ;
--that HIV does not cause AIDS;
--that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.
The Kentucky Republican, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, said that he received a booster shot on Tuesday for vaccinations he got for a trip to Guatemala last year.
And he tweeted a photo of his trip to the doctor:"
Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul
Follow
Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?
5:30 PM - 3 Feb 2015
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Isn't that a dentist's chair?
The Kentucky Republican, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, said that he received a booster shot on Tuesday for vaccinations he got for a trip to Guatemala last year.
And he tweeted a photo of his trip to the doctor:"
Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul
Follow
Ironic: Today I am getting my booster vaccine. Wonder how the liberal media will misreport this?
5:30 PM - 3 Feb 2015
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Isn't that a dentist's chair?
Politicians are the worst.
Hack.
Exactly.
The first sort of thing you see with martial law is mandates, and they’re talking about making it mandatory...
The whole problem is not necessarily good versus bad on vaccines, it’s whether it should be mandatory or the individual makes the decision. And sometimes you want to not be the first one to get a new procedure, you want to see if it works well before you choose.
Even hard-core conservatives including neo-cons such as John Podhoretz are now taking potshots at him.
“For the most part, [vaccination] ought to be voluntary,” Paul said in what has to be considered one of the most irresponsible remarks ever uttered by a major American politician.
Christie stepped in it by trying to be polite on a subject where he should’ve been more plain-spoken.
Paul stepped in it by showing us what he really believes.
Translation: Paul needs to focus on getting re-elected as a Senator, not on becoming the prsidential candidate.
Link - ( New Window )
I expect either a comedy with sharp humor and wit successfully targeting the stereotype of Asian immigrants or a disaster that just furthers the stereotype of Asian immigrants with weak attempt at cheap humor. My money is on the latter.
I just lost my lunch. Thanks.
Ha. I think you rigged that just to save yourself from applauding. I don't think it's even possible by definition to come up with an original stereotype.
Quote:
don't bother me, the repeated use of the same unoriginal stereotype that is mind numbing in its lack of creativity and humor bothers me. Shock the world and come up with something we haven't seen or reads million times before. If you do, I will applaud you
Ha. I think you rigged that just to save yourself from applauding. I don't think it's even possible by definition to come up with an original stereotype.
Original stereotype...isn't that an oxymoron? By definition all stereotypes are unoriginal since it's "a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing."
Of course, it was also ridiculous years earlier when candidate Obama and Hilary Clinton both suggested there were dangers to vaccinations... but I guess since Jenny McCarty and her Hollywood clan were also making noise about it back then... it wasn't worth covering in the press to the same degree.
To be fair, many mainstream Libertarians have a ton of issues with their platforms and their cult-like mentality.
They have ignored the teachings of Hayek, and latch onto the extremely warped messages of Friedman and Ayn Rand, who violated a lot of their own principles over the years (biographies of Rand don't paint a flattering picture of how she treated people who utilized their free will to disagree with parts of her messages).
Plus, a lot of mainstream Libertarians often violate their own principles. Every answer is about personal freedoms, and yet when it comes to certain issues (abortions and immigration, to name but 2), they typically swing to positions that aren't congruent with their underlying message.
The selective Libertarianism is not an issue, but they fail to realize that social restrictions by stigma or demagoguery are nearly as bad as misguided actions by a governmental authority. And they often utilize their platforms to cause some pretty major harms.
That's why I truly admire the true Libertarians (the consistent ones). I don't agree with their message, but they believe in personal freedoms, except in the case of significant societal externalities. And both the Pauls are not in this group.
or with the weather
or the audience.
MS and WV do not allow philosophical or religious exemptions, and as a result those two states have some of the highest vaccination rates in the country. They may have a problem with fat and diabetes, but they are leading the way in this particular area. CA is now considering joining that front, which I wholeheartedly endorse.
link - ( New Window )
I actually agree with public vaccination policy. It's proven science, and although it does come dangerously close to lines in the sand that I would rather the government not be able to cross when it comes to the rights of the individual to decide for themselves how best to pursue their own aims, including the ares of health and personal wellbeing, I feel like robust vaccination policy is in the best interest of country and society at large, and while forced medicine by and large is something to be avoided, this issue falls on the line of the sand of public good.
Many libertarians, if you like the label, feel that way, by the way
We are not all anti-science, paranoid whatever...................
Children should be vaccinated. There should be high standards as to which vaccinations should be mandated, and it should be a process of validation under perpetual and thorough review as like minded people such as myself entrust the powers that be to walk that fine line in the area of public good.
Fernandez tried to mimic a Chinese accent by switching "r's" with "l's" in a tweet in Spanish that translates as: "Did they only come for lice and petloleum."
A few minutes later, she added: "Sorry, the levels of ridiculousness and absurdity are so high they can only be digested with humor."
The tweets came as she met with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
As of late Wednesday, there was no official response from China about the comments by Fernandez, a prolific tweeter who has 3.53 million followers.
But that didn't stop the Twitterverse in the South American country and beyond from exploding with criticism of what many considered a racist tweet.
"Cristina Fernandez's lack of tack and respect is incredible," wrote @FaundezLafarga. "She goes to China looking for (economic) agreements and she makes fun of their accents."
@GuyChazan wrote: "Faux pas in China. Really, this sort of joke went out of fashion in the 70s."
Rather a moronic thing to do during your visit to an Asian nation that you are seeking investments from.
Link - ( New Window )
Did it go out of fashion? Or did it lose its racist bite? It's a silly joke that people tell at the expense of Asian immigrants...sort of like the whole dogs and cats for dinner joke that gets thrown around every once in a while. In the end, they're dumb and silly but nothing to get all worked up about.