2015 Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees

Bettis has a ring. Tiki does not.

and Bettis has more accolades.

but not a very exciting group of inductees

as noted, Barber was significantly better. Bettis was never even close to a top 5 RB in the league at any given time. For several years Tiki was top 3.

before the next era of WRs. He earned it.

Pace absolutely should be in. Ogden/Pace/Jones helped define an era (Boselli too before the injuries). You could argue he was the MVP of the Greatest Show on turf (I'd go Faulk myself).

when we're comparing them at their best. Tiki was a Top 3 RB for the last 4/5 years of his career. Bettis never had a stretch like that.

But Bettis gets the Pittsburgh Steelers bonus, and that's on top of the lovable fat guy with the cool nickname bonus he gets.

Hines Ward is also going to get into the HOF earlier than he should because of the Steelers bonus.

Was also on way better teams then Tiki was. Tiki carried his team. Bettis did not. I think it's terrible to judge a player on rings when it comes to the HOF.

Not like Bettis did much to help win the Super Bowl. He had 368 rushing yards that season.

Wow. That's an injustice.

I don't think Bettis or Tiki belong in the HOF.

But when you post stats that are very close between the two players, my comment was it's not just stats - that's a lot of it, but not all of it.

you don't judge a player based on rings, but I believe the voters do consider it. As they do pro-bowls or an all-pro's both of which bettis has more (and no I don't think pro-bowls are a great indicator of HOF worthiness, but voters consider it).

In comment 12117457 pjcas18 said:

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I don't think Bettis or Tiki belong in the HOF. But when you post stats that are very close between the two players, my comment was it's not just stats - that's a lot of it, but not all of it. you don't judge a player based on rings, but I believe the voters do consider it. As they do pro-bowls or an all-pro's both of which bettis has more (and no I don't think pro-bowls are a great indicator of HOF worthiness, but voters consider it).

agreed.

Tiki was much better than Bettis. And neither of them should be in the hall of fame.

Bettis was the mascot for that SB team. There were 50 backs in the NFL better than him. Barber absolutely deserves in based on his numbers. He was a dominant running back for several years and was very productive til the end. All of the off the field stuff aside, he was an outstanding football player. He will never get in, and 10 years from now people who look over the stats will start wondering why.

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How a guy who averaged 3.9 yards per carry is considered one of the best RBs of all time?

I absolutely think Tiki should be in there. Averaging 4.7 YPC is pretty damn good. He is 12th all time in yards from scrimmage. He did it in 9 seasons. The only other player in the top 12 with less then 10 years was Barry Sanders.

Was the best Giant I have ever seen besides LT and Bavaro. His numbers were and remain staggering and he is absolutely a hall of famer. The media likes Bettis fine, you just punched pariah Tiki's ticket. If he isn't in, the HOF is a joke

Pace not is even more ridiculous.

especially on the first ballot. While Pace gets snubbed. Looks like the NFL wanted to keep pace with MLB's hall of fame voting dumbassery.

In comment 12117477 Big Rick in FL said:

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How a guy who averaged 3.9 yards per carry is considered one of the best RBs of all time? I absolutely think Tiki should be in there. Averaging 4.7 YPC is pretty damn good. He is 12th all time in yards from scrimmage. He did it in 9 seasons. The only other player in the top 12 with less then 10 years was Barry Sanders.

Didn't tiki play ten seasons 97-06?

Acting like a whiny bitch I'm sure that was in consideration as well whether it should be or not

Not sure either deserves it, but Warner deserves it over Bettis. As does Pace.

How would he be a first-ballot inductee?

imo

Yeah I counted it wrong. Barry did it in the same amount of years as Tiki. Everybody else played at least 1 more season then both of them.

Also didn't really count the 1999 season as he only started 1 game. Either way if he would have played 3 or 4 seasons more he would have been at worst top 5 from scrimmage.

If him going out like a whiny bitch has anything to do with him not making the HOF then it is a tragedy. Especially when guys like Michael Irvin, OJ Simpson and soon to be Ray Lewis get in there.

He's 6th all-time in rushing yards, tied for 10th in rushing TDs, and was always loved by the media.

(He was also loved by Bill Leavy's officiating crew, which insisted on sending him out as a Super Bowl champion in his hometown.)

instead of Pace.Brilliant! ;-(
In a year of 'stupid' from the NFL, the only thing left now is if the Pats win the SB they declare a Colts locker room 'plant' deflated the balls, so then RG apologizes to RK, everything is nice-nice in Foxborough, and RG gets to stay at RKs house again.

Because he had a lot of carries. I don't think a guy who averaged 3.9 YPC should be in the HOF. Don't get me wrong he is a very good player. Just don't think he should be a first ballot HOFer and get in over Tiki who averaged almost a full yard per carry more then Bettis.

The Bus? Really? That's tough to understand because I never thought of him as being the best in the league at any given time. Nice back, sure, but a HOF player? I don't get it.

As noted, Ron Wolf and not George Young? WTF?

HOF has really lost some luster in the past few years. I don't think they know what they're trying to be. Is it hard to get in? Do you just need a recognized name or media figure? Or do you have to have been the very best at your position for a good number of years? I don't know...

In comment 12117463 Danny Kanell said:

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Tiki was much better than Bettis. And neither of them should be in the hall of fame.

Agreed. And it is unreal that Pace didn't get in. He was definitely a first ballot HOF player. Knock out any of those for Pace, although Brown deserves entry.

In comment 12117433 spike said:

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but not a very exciting group of inductees

Why, because a Giant isn't on the list?

A very legit list. Two very overdue players (Haley, Brown), a deserving posthumous award to another worthy legend (Seau).
game timeslot. Jerome Bettis I'm ambivalent on. Polian probably is worthy for those Buffalo teams alone.

I just looked at who went in last year -- this list is better to a non Giants fan.

deserves it too he's as much of a no-brainer as there is and I'm surprised Polian wasn't already in.

Honestly I only think Bettis is really questionable here.

Pace not being a first-ballot is silly, but neither was Strahan, so I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it.

In comment 12117517 Mr. Bungle said:

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He's 6th all-time in rushing yards, tied for 10th in rushing TDs, and was always loved by the media. (He was also loved by Bill Leavy's officiating crew, which insisted on sending him out as a Super Bowl champion in his hometown.)

This.

Jerome Bettis was behind only Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, and Curtis Martin in rushing - all hall of famers, and Tomlinson who is a future HOF. And he has a Super Bowl Ring. It's makes plenty sense.

That's why he is up there with those guys. What are there YPC? Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC. That doesn't scream HOFer to me.

Rarely missed any games, near the top or at the top of his team in tackles every season and third on the all time sack list ahead of Doleman, Strahan and Randle, who themselves are all hall of famers. Especially now with Haley making it who has 60 less sacks. Strange.

All averaged above 4.0 YPC with more yards then Bettis. Like I said very very good player, but that YPC doesn't make you a HOFer. Either way it's irrelevant as he already got in. So congrats to all the 2015 inductees!

In comment 12117541 pjcas18 said:

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deserves it too he's as much of a no-brainer as there is

I definitely didn't mean that.

Playing the Hall of Fame song to commemorate the occasion.

In comment 12117581 pjcas18 said:

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I definitely didn't mean that.

I know, it just jumped out at me. I'm a horrible human being.

Even if he only had an average season, it would have pushed his numbers up to where they couldn't have kept him out of the HOF.

Too bad he didn't have the heart for it. I think he knew what he was doing when he retired. His numbers were not quite strong enough.

And announced mid season that he was retiring at the end of that season. He's still getting roasted for that move.

And Bettis did the exact same thing. But Bettis was cool.

Not a coincidence that the balance of power in the NFL shifted when he left the 49ers, after winning two SBs, and moved to the Cowboys, where he won three more SBs...

Bettis was/is a media darling. I believe that was huge in him getting in this quickly...

And thank the football gods for Tim Brown. His numbers are off the charts when you consider the number of mediocre QBs he played with...the list is stunning...

it's a little deeper than that. Tiki has made one stupid PR move after another since 2006.

really highlights how it's more important for the voters to like you than to actually be one of the best players of your generation.

In comment 12117605 djm said:

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And announced mid season that he was retiring at the end of that season. He's still getting roasted for that move. And Bettis did the exact same thing. But Bettis was cool.

I see you've been paying attention.

Ron Wolf deserves it..Young? Probably, but he was just awful once Parcells left imo

I don't think anyone cares all that much about Tiki's midseason announcement..What followed from 2007 to present could certainly have been a factor, right or wrong..

This is the media age more than ever, much more..I knew for example, that once OBJ made "the catch," he was a ROTY lock..It so happens he was the best player in his draft class, but when ALL the media picked up on that day after day, he became a household name...

Tiki's media affect became the opposite..

not before George Young. I know George wasn't the most lovable guy w/the press but his track record should speak for itself.

In comment 12117689 TheMick7 said:

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not before George Young. I know George wasn't the most lovable guy w/the press but his track record should speak for itself.

You could be right, but iirc, Wolf was consistent throughout his long career..Young? Again 1991-97 were not his best years imo..That could have factored in..In the main, I loved Young..He was the architect for our becoming relevant again..Just getting us out of 1964-1980 alone is HOF-worthy

In comment 12117498 eli4life said:

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Acting like a whiny bitch I'm sure that was in consideration as well whether it should be or not

So Tiki's whining is worse than LTs or Irvin's drug use? Okaaay

In comment 12117540 NINEster said:

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In comment 12117433 spike said: Quote: but not a very exciting group of inductees Why, because a Giant isn't on the list? A very legit list. Two very overdue players (Haley, Brown), a deserving posthumous award to another worthy legend (Seau). game timeslot. Jerome Bettis I'm ambivalent on. Polian probably is worthy for those Buffalo teams alone. I just looked at who went in last year -- this list is better to a non Giants fan.

Where did anyone in this thread say that? There's a 9ers board somewhere missing you.

"is this person a hall of famer"

I don't see a Hall of Fame career. He was only elite for a few years, and outside of 2000, was never on a team that won playoff games.

Reminds me of Priest Hoes-kind of career. I wouldn't expect HOF consideration for Holmes, either. (And he has a ring, albeit as a backup.)

and kept his out shut, he'd be in. That's provided that we win in 2007. Tiki and Strahan both riding off into the sunset with a ring would have been awesome.

I have went through this With Tiki - if Thurman Thomas is in the HOF than so should Tiki. Now add in Bettis

Tiki's numbers when he became a full time starter are crazy good - last 7 years (110 games)

1754 carries - 9,514 yards 5.42 YPC
444 catches 3,927

Bettis best 7 2184 carries - 8876 yards
150 catches

Thomas best 7 2074 carries - 8876 yards
353 catches 3,458

Basically, Tiki did not have an 8th year of scraping 1000 yards and then 3-4 years of hanging on to build stats - that is the difference.

He is a jerk, but the core of his career is better than the core career of 2 guys in the HOF