I've seen a few games of Shelton, though not many, but never mind that. I'm just curious about the pros and cons of having those two on the line together. At first glance, Shelton is a 1 technique, who should probably be a NT in a 3-4. However, given his success against the pass at Washington this year, he could very well line up in a 4-3.
Hankins has great size an proved he could be 3-technique and rush the passer, as well as play against the run. So this leads me to the question of if we draft Shelton and start him next to Hankins and rotate guys like Jay Bromley and Cullen Jenkins (if he's not cut) in, what would be the pros and cons? What can we expect? I mean the thought of those two collapsing the pocket and occupying 3-4 blockers, opening up the DEs and rushing linebackers is intriguing. Also, I don't know how many RBs will be able to run up the middle with those two clogging lanes. However, it will hurt our overall speed, despite how surprisingly athletic they are.
My choice for #9 is Kevin White and maybe someone like Dante Fowler Jr., assuming guys like Leonard Williams, Amari Cooper, Randy Gregory and Shane Ray are gone...but of course, as always, I'm an advocate of trading down. But I always go best player available. I'll discuss more on the Draft later.
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Coughlin has to have visions of his old DT duo in Jacksonville.
My other ideal picks would be Peat and Scherff. I think that Scherff in particular, if put at OG, would allow us a powerful force next to both our OTs (if Schwartz comes back fully) and create a dynamic running game to go with our WC passing attack.
I love White but think it's overkill to draft him unless we land both a starting DT and starting OL in FA. I suspect that White may well be there for us at 9, but if the choice was Shelton or White and we hadn't already firmed up the defense in FA I'd select Shelton.
Seems we have two draft classes in a row stacked at WR from the top to bottom.
But again, the question remains because I do think Shelton will be in the running for the #9 spot if he's there. What are the pros and cons of having a line with both Hankins and Shelton on it? For one, it definitely would open up the DEs and rushing LBs as both Hankins and Shelton might need to both be double-teamed.
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I'd have no problems going this way. The only downside is that people bring up Henderson/Stroud as a benchmark. Both of those guys also had ideal height. Hankins/Shelton have the girth to shut down the inside and push the pockets but do not have the height to shut off short drop passing lanes.
Overall trends (making line players on both sides bigger and more athletic)
have left some fans not seeing the potential for variety in play styles..
For example Hank, this time last year I said he could be used as a one gap attack player on an intermittent basis and that leaving him as a 'nose' would be a huge waste. A trend I have ranted about (freebluelove/alli/idiot)
Other trends- you do have some big, tough type defensive ends in the rounds 23,4,5 or so, players that could a) hold up an end, be b) better rush players than we think, and yet c) also rotate inside for a play or two at times.
having a big bruiser DT makes all this -more possible- both from an on the line in-play action perspective as well as a rotational perspective.
Regarding relative value off all the top 20 picks, I have no idea and don't think any of us here at BBI do either.
Lets hope New York Giants Coaches and Staff have a good view on that!
I find that thinking about trends and applying concept is more relevant in rounds 3-7 rather than round 1, where evaluations ought to be so darn good.
Regardless of if its possible, if it is, I would trade down in any case, if I could.
Coughlin has to have visions of his old DT duo in Jacksonville.
Couldn't we have had that with Linval and Hankins? I have no problem with Shelton, but I do have an issue that we keep drafting and churning DTs. What about Bromley? (Who they used a 3rd on)
so, you really could use to keep Hank and hopefully Bromley will pan out, at least another DT if not two, and at least one more DE.
The Giants may be drawn more to Carl Davis or Malcolm Brown. In any event, we absolutely need another big DT to pair with Hankins. Jenkins and Patterson look like they have little left, and the run defense was horrible.
My concern is NYG may not look at Shelton as the traditonal player inside that they want. He is a little on the short side, both in height and in length. Some off the field stuff that needs to be looked at as well...but that was more of an issue with him 2-3 years ago.
There are easily 40+ players being widely considered first round prospects, so it's going to be fun to watch and see who might drop to us.
Shelton would be a great pick for all the reasons mentioned, but if he and one of Scherf, Peat, or Flowers (got it right?) is there, enough with the dicking around and fix it around Eli. Odds are you get a good WR in Round 2 or 3, because this regime can't pick OL for shit after Round 2.
Holding out no hope for Bromley, just an unfathomable pick at 3, and it's not as if our DL was so good or so deep that he didn't see the field for the reasons Linval didn't in his rookie season. Bromley is the Sintim (different position, I know) of Round 3.
Shelton would be a great pick for all the reasons mentioned, but if he and one of Scherf, Peat, or Flowers (got it right?) is there, enough with the dicking around and fix it around Eli. Odds are you get a good WR in Round 2 or 3, because this regime can't pick OL for shit after Round 2.
Holding out no hope for Bromley, just an unfathomable pick at 3, and it's not as if our DL was so good or so deep that he didn't see the field for the reasons Linval didn't in his rookie season. Bromley is the Sintim (different position, I know) of Round 3.
Hankins didnt see the field much in his first year either..
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True, but Tuck, Patterson (?) and others in the mix. And I agree with you in that I think that was a mistake on TC's part. I'm not a supporter of the thesis that TC sits rookies on principle in favor of a vet. If a draftee can play, he sees the field; I think there's ample evidence of that. In my fan's opinion, I don't see it in Bromley--looking at his Syracuse tape that someone posted after the draft, I was searching, straining to find something that stood out. I didn't see it, as I didn't see it in Sintim (from day 1) and Bad Boy.
I know I'm millering Anakim's thread, sorry.
As for pick 9, I'm hoping that we land someone who is a major difference maker for us, someone who lifts up the whole offense or defense. I think that Scherff and Shelton have the greatest chances of doing so in the short term (with Peat perhaps more of a long term solution for us). White or Cooper might also have that dramatic effect, but only IF we've done a great job in FA and already fixed the OL and run defense.
A concern I have is that this draft is so deep in red-chip players that there may be little difference in talent between whomever we get at 9 and guys that Dallas and Philly find later in the round. That's why our #1 has to be a great fit who will dramatically change our level of play on one side of the ball or the other. Otherwise I don't think we'll have closed the gap on those other teams enough to be a playoff contender.
No offense, but you're a moron. Its too early to declare Bromley a wasted pick considering the Giants recent track record in playing DT's their first year.
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Shelton actually may be the safest pick for the Giants and a guy who could turn the defense into a terror, provided they can re-sign JPP and he plays like he did down the stretch.
Coughlin has to have visions of his old DT duo in Jacksonville.
Couldn't we have had that with Linval and Hankins? I have no problem with Shelton, but I do have an issue that we keep drafting and churning DTs. What about Bromley? (Who they used a 3rd on)
We'll use a rotation. Bromley would probably come in on 3rd downs
I think he was second behind Aaron Donald
Shelton would be a great pick for all the reasons mentioned, but if he and one of Scherf, Peat, or Flowers (got it right?) is there, enough with the dicking around and fix it around Eli. Odds are you get a good WR in Round 2 or 3, because this regime can't pick OL for shit after Round 2.
Holding out no hope for Bromley, just an unfathomable pick at 3, and it's not as if our DL was so good or so deep that he didn't see the field for the reasons Linval didn't in his rookie season. Bromley is the Sintim (different position, I know) of Round 3.
And how much did Hankins play and/or contribute in his 1st year? Neither Hankins or Bromley madee much of an impact in their 1st year. Lets see if Bromley step-ups it up in his 2nd as Hankins did in his. We still need another solid DT in the rotation though, I just can't see it in the 1st or 2nd round. JMHO.
DT is also a position with a high bust rate in the early rounds.
Coughlin has to have visions of his old DT duo in Jacksonville.
I think someone finds a gem or two.