Graziano: Giants ownership "All-in" on Reese and Manning

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Reese is extremely well liked by this organization and ownership. Opposed to the average fan they think his track record in the draft and FA is alot better than most GMs out there.

I know plenty of opinions about what should be done but I don't think too many felt either would be replaced any time soon

....And Then The 2009-2012 Drafts Happened.

HC [candidate] and franchise QB. Certainly not by an organization that historically never fires GMs for any reason like the Giants.

I disagree with Graziano that it's "unfair" TC that JR is more Teflon though (and I one agreed with it). I'd prefer Reese was less so, but Tom is being allowed to largely save his job or go out how he wishes this season. Years longer than, perhaps, it should have been on the table.

that is good news. His total body or work is pretty good.

and get back to me.

In comment 12127455 steve in ky said:

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I know plenty of opinions about what should be done but I don't think too many felt either would be replaced any time soon

Some people believed otherwise but they obviously weren't paying attention to how this org operates over the last 35 years or so.

The giants don't fire their GMs. Reese knows he's doing we are in good hands.

believing this?

In comment 12127459 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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....And Then The 2009-2012 Drafts Happened.

The 2010 draft was fucking awesome if only because two players picked in that draft played integral parts in winning a Super Bowl here. Even the 2011 draft wasn't half bad and the 09 draft was good too but we missed on two higher picks that year which stings a bit. Still, nicks and Beatty renders the draft at least decent. 2012 sucked -- pretty much the only sucky draft this franchise has endured since the 90s...

You're completely lost but I suspect you're a troll in which case you serve a purpose.

the playoffs 5/6 years (and were largely a bad team in the regular season of the year they did, given how many things they sucked at before going on a gloriously time hot streak) and are falling farther away from making them yearly now?

What else is Reese/the FO failing at? Or is it because Coughlin and the coaching staff aren't good? Or are you pointing the finger at Eli?

Something is fucking things up and despite the apologist take, it's not all about injuries.

Just sayin'

".....Reese deserves at least as much blame if not more for the current state of the roster. It's the personnel department's run of failed drafts that have sunk the Giants into this hole, and I don't understand what it is about Reese that makes him untouchable in the eyes of the people who run the Giants."

Many are pondering the same question.

getting to the playoffs is hard and when we make it, we've been incredibly effective. there are a handful of teams who will usually be in the playoffs, sucks we aren't one of them, but we are in the same boat as 25-27 other teams.

Reese needs a good offseason but he isn't the problem.

We thought we had a top 5 WR duo in Nicks/Cruz. Do I really need to list the players that Reese drafted whose careers ended prematurely?

Is going to retire a Giant. I expect the extension to be announced prior to free agency. Reese needs a great off season and we won't know how good it is until we see the new draft picks in action this fall. If he fails he might be out the door with Coughlin.

Reese is a good GM overall. He's a good negotiator, he's done very well in the first rd and late rounds in the draft. He also done well finding talent at UDFA.

Judging by the previous 2 drafts, it seems he's learned his lesson in the mid rounds of being a bit too arrogant with projects.

He's still a bit too reluctant to part ways with his own picks when they're clearly not contributing. He was even worse years ago. He is just as much to blame for this rough stretch as anyone but he's also part of the solution. I think his work the past 2 years is already showing he's finding a solution.

Bottom line, he's a good GM that we are lucky to have. If we let him go, teams would be lining up for him, and rightfully so.

And as far as Eli....duh.

Ditto

(cue chris r in 5, 4, 3, 2,....)

In comment 12127493 drkenneth said:

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and get back to me.

Yeah, b/c all teams use the voting system the Giants use right?

After Sonny Weaver Jr

In comment 12127470 joeinpa said:

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that is good news. His total body or work is pretty good.

No. It's not. He fucked yo the cap and only when it went up did it rescue the Giants

His draft history is about as average as it gets.

OBJ literally seemed to save his job so now ownership and people here who refuse to be even close to objective get to scream about him ignoring numwrousnbad mistakes.

But hey if two silver spoon never worked a day of hard labor in their lives like Mara and Tisch want to give him an eternal pass fine. If they miss the playoffs again next year I'm sure they will find another scapegoat. They are running outnof likely candidates though. Fewell and Gilbride are now gone. TC next? Can't wait for the Nassib era to start since he may be the QB if Eli gets killed while Reese fumbles the OL again.

Meanwhile the OL still is putrid. The D who Reese spent a shit load on was a mess and there are holes at TE RB and every other positon except QB. Yeah. Reese is the best ever all because of his fist draft and OBJ. Must be nice to miss more
Than hit in so many areas and have zero accountability.

The OL with Pugh, Richburg(at C) Schwartz and Beatty is not crap..Yes, we need to infuse with(hopefully) a young OL and get better depth as well, but their OL needs to be average to be viable..We can get there..

It's eminently fixable, sooner rather than later

situation than what Reese walked into. He simply has to do better. Too many below average position groups on this team over the last few years.

the team's failings on something.

It's a more reasonable approach to where the team has been at and is at now than those who homer it up and claim the Giants really have been good all along at bringing in talent while also staunchly defending the HC/coaching staff and QB as being tops at their respective jobs, just blaming everything on injuries to a mostly not good (or at least playing well) anyway bunch of players.

In comment 12127530 Devon said:

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the playoffs 5/6 years (and were largely a bad team in the regular season of the year they did, given how many things they sucked at before going on a gloriously time hot streak) and are falling farther away from making them yearly now? What else is Reese/the FO failing at? Or is it because Coughlin and the coaching staff aren't good? Or are you pointing the finger at Eli? Something is fucking things up and despite the apologist take, it's not all about injuries.

We have been besieged by injuries was hasn't helped but let's see next year how Reese's crew plays when they have player friendly and sound systems on both sides of the ball.

We saw what a sound system did for Eli offensively last year with arguably less talent on O than we've had in quite a while. It'll be year 2 with McAdoo and a new DC with a system that worked with the guys Reese likes to draft defensively.

Personally I think we have a very nice rebound next year.

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didn't he pick him? Isn't the whole argument some people make is that he doesn't select players that are good enough? Seems to me he nailed the pick and he/the team are reaping the benefits.

OBJ being awesome is exactly my point, the players and coaches need to perform at a higher level. There's only so much a GM can do, and a huge portion of their job is flat out luck (injuries, late round picks panning out, etc).

To talk Eli a little more than Reese, Eli quietly had a very good 2014 season. I support extending him at this point. If we get him some protection and Cruz comes back healthy to complement OBJ we'll get 4-5 more good seasons out of Eli.

just think of it this way
Our DC Fewell was fired by the Giants and he finally after a month or so as DB Coach.

if Reese was fired tomorrow by the Giants

At least 10 NFL teams would be on the phone with him immediately offering him a job as GM

Reese has never had to draft a franchise QB. He's never had to hire a Head Coach.

In comment 12127685 jayg5 said:

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Reese has never had to draft a franchise QB. He's never had to hire a Head Coach.

Bobby Beathard is a HOF-level GM and he never did either.

and you guys expect him to be some hot commodity.I have my doubts about that.How many GM's get a HC,QB,and a Superbowl roster.

Two silver spoons that never did a hard day's labor in the lives. Because your life is a failure, you shouldn't be envious of those that have had success and maintained a multi billion dollar business. You fucking cry baby

Reese was handed a Super Bowl roster? Bull shit.

He was handed a franchise QB and a very good HC. His 2007 draft picks were all HUGE contributors in getting that team to the Super Bowl, in addition to winning it.

Not to mention, why do people ignore that Jerry Reese was part of the organization before he got the move up? If you don't think he had something to do with any of the talent that was on the team before he took over as GM, I'm really not sure what to tell you.

In comment 12127585 Rjanyg said:

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Is going to retire a Giant. I expect the extension to be announced prior to free agency. Reese needs a great off season and we won't know how good it is until we see the new draft picks in action this fall. If he fails he might be out the door with Coughlin.

Apparently, you failed to read the linked article. Failing that, you also failed to understand the thread title. Strike 3, comin ' up.

Reese was given a playoff roster,a good team,or 95% of the Road Warriors.

Take your pick,it doesn't really matter,because it doesn't take away from my point.He walked into a great situation.

And your point is what exactly? I am not saying that he is a terrible gm but I feel many Giant fans over rate him.

err, without him drafting Smith, Boss, and Bradshaw in rounds 2, 5, and 7, that team doesn't go to, let alone win, any SB. That's even ignoring the contributions of Ross in one, Alford in round 3 and Johnson in 6.

Not to mention bringing in Madison and Mitchell as UFAs, each critical.

Also, to beat a dead horse, a lot of Reese's "bad drafting" was bad injury luck to key guys like Smith, Phillips, TT, Jones, Wilson, Goff... even Sintim. Also bad UFA injury luck with Bass, Schwartz, and Beason.

Maybe we need a better (more modern, more alternative medicine inclined?) training and med staff, but still...

In comment 12127735 ghost718 said:

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Reese was given a playoff roster,a good team,or 95% of the Road Warriors. Take your pick,it doesn't really matter,because it doesn't take away from my point.He walked into a great situation.

95%? Ok, JR added Ross, Smith, Alford, Boss, Johnson, Bradshaw, Madison and Mitchell. (At least, not checking super carefully). That's 15% of the actively contributing roster, key players all, right there. You're down to 85% without even investigating...

Reese should have been fired two years ago IMO. Obviously he is untouchable and he will stay. End of story.

winning a SB to getting fired 2 years later? I'd love to know your thought process and came to that conclusion. Walk us through it

can't believe how many of them there are. Fire everyone until we win a SB!!!!

this guy PMS writes that Reese should of been fired 2 years ago. That takes us 2 years past the last winning SB and he should of been fired? End of story? Nah, onset of your stupidity

You are the one who is LOST.

The 2010 draft was "awesome" because you swore it to be so? Phillip Dillard, Mitch Petrus, Adrian Tracey and Matt Dodge were all sorts of awesome!

The 2001 draft wasn't "half bad"? Ummm, no actually it was 6/8 bad! Marvin Austin, Jerrel Jernigan, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, DaRel Scott all produced what exactly?

The 2009 draft was "good"? You mean Clint Sintim-good? Ramses Barden-good? Travis Beckum-good? Or Rehett Bomar-good? And how could we also ever forget DeAndre Wright and Stoney Woodson.

Do your research before you post next time, chump.

and for every person talking about how Reese was handed a Super Bowl roster in 2007 somehow COMPLETELY ignores the fact that Reese the director of player personnel and coordinated the Giants’ college scouting, and was in charge of the team’s draft preparation as well as running ran the draft room and setting up the draft board.. Meaning at some level he was DIRECTLY responsible for the players that were on the roster when he took over in 2007 as GM..

If the Giants fired Reese he would have a job VERY VERY quickly..

You are right, he is a fucking troll

is needed again. Unfortunately this organization has been talking a great deal but not accomplishing much.

In comment 12127815 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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You are the one who is LOST. The 2010 draft was "awesome" because you swore it to be so? Phillip Dillard, Mitch Petrus, Adrian Tracey and Matt Dodge were all sorts of awesome! The 2001 draft wasn't "half bad"? Ummm, no actually it was 6/8 bad! Marvin Austin, Jerrel Jernigan, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, DaRel Scott all produced what exactly? The 2009 draft was "good"? You mean Clint Sintim-good? Ramses Barden-good? Travis Beckum-good? Or Rehett Bomar-good? And how could we also ever forget DeAndre Wright and Stoney Woodson. Do your research before you post next time, chump.

He had hits and misses like any other GM. Didn't Seattle take Curry 4 overall? How many awful picks has BB had? How did Danny Watkins work out in Philly? The list goes on and on. If you are going to look at only drafts to determine if a GM should be fired than you don't understand the majority of what GMs do.

In comment 12127795 TMS said:

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Reese should have been fired two years ago IMO. Obviously he is untouchable and he will stay. End of story.

How do you survive seeing yourself in the mirror every morning?

Rocky Graziano. The reason Reese is "untouchable" is because he is an outstanding GM. Teams have runs, they rise and fall. As long as you get rings, you can accept the building toward the next one. Eli and Tom are untouchable for the same reason. Who the hell are we going to get better? Who the hell would we even want?

In comment 12127795 TMS said:

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Reese should have been fired two years ago IMO. Obviously he is untouchable and he will stay. End of story.

Yeah let's fire a gm one fucking season removed from a Super Bowl!

I can't take anything you post seriously. You and Matty ice should hang out and trade ideas.

In comment 12127815 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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You are the one who is LOST. The 2010 draft was "awesome" because you swore it to be so? Phillip Dillard, Mitch Petrus, Adrian Tracey and Matt Dodge were all sorts of awesome! The 2001 draft wasn't "half bad"? Ummm, no actually it was 6/8 bad! Marvin Austin, Jerrel Jernigan, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, DaRel Scott all produced what exactly? The 2009 draft was "good"? You mean Clint Sintim-good? Ramses Barden-good? Travis Beckum-good? Or Rehett Bomar-good? And how could we also ever forget DeAndre Wright and Stoney Woodson. Do your research before you post next time, chump.

Two names you Magnificent moron:

Jason Pierre Paul
Linval Joseph

Find me five better fucking drafts that season. Please enlighten me.

How's that for research? When you nab two elite starters that help lead a team to a World title it's a great, not good, GREAT draft. Know how I know this? I read a lot. I do the research. I don't just fart into my hands and rub the keyboard.

You're an old bitter troll. Post something with merit for once.

It you read up on nfl draft history you would see that every team misses on premium picks from time to time. Every team misses on most mid round picks ALL the time.

You act like the giants are the only team to miss on a second rounder. Do some leg work. Read. Then read some more and get back to me.

I never said Reese was infallible I never said he was perfect. I have said that this franchise failed miserably in the 2012 draft and when you couple that with a team that got very old and worn out seemingly overnight you have what happened in 2013 and first 10 or so weeks of 2014 -- a bad team. Not everything needs to be blamed on one person or one specific reason. It took a lot of bad things to occur for this team to sink to the levels we've seen here lately. And Reese and the scouts deserve some of the blame but if you look at the big picture -- that being how this team has operated from the early 2000s through 2011 and even through today you can see there's a clear cut plan, there's cohesion and trust within the organization. And this team won a lot from 05-11. Why can't they win again? They had a bad 1-2 year run save me this crap about 5-6 years no playoffs I can easily change the sample size to say they made the playoffs 5 of the last 10 seasons and two of the seasons they missed out saw them win 9 and 10 games, respectively.

They have struggled for two straight seasons but the arrow is pointing up. They have won before they can win again. And they will again. I'll be here to remind you of that.

Who I admit is a ridiculous cowboys homer and is probably a bit senile went out of his way last night to praise the giants org and said they would be a winning football team and it would happen in 2015. He said the giants so things right.

But what does gill Brandt know. He only built a perennial contending championship team and is known in NFL circles as "the godfather"

A lot of people are high on the giants going forward. They may struggle again in 2015 but many are expecting good results. This franchise doesn't stay down for very long.

@DanGrazianoESPN: I think coach Tom Coughlin is probably out if they miss the playoffs for a fourth straight season. But GM Jerry Reese is absolutely not in danger of losing his job, I'm telling you. People don't want to believe it, but Giants ownership is all-in on Reese and has no intention of making a change at GM any time soon. Likewise, they're all in on quarterback Eli Manning and likely to extend his contract this offseason so that he completes his career as a Giant. It's not fair for Coughlin to be the only one taking the fall if the Giants have another bad year, because Reese deserves at least as much blame if not more for the current state of the roster. It's the personnel department's run of failed drafts that have sunk the Giants into this hole, and I don't understand what it is about Reese that makes him untouchable in the eyes of the people who run the Giants. But he is, and that's the reality of it. I think Coughlin needs a winning record in 2015 to come back in 2016, fair or not. Some of us agree with him. Some don't we are all entitled without all the abuse.

2 seasons after winning a Super Bowl. You own that. You are entitled to an opinion. I'm entitled to call you out on what you own. You as a functioning adult wrote that 2 years after the last Giant Super Bowl parade Jerry Reese should have been fired. If you explained your reasoning and you pointed out things that supported your point, we could have debated them. No you like every dummy that makes a statement they have no back up points to support them write. End of story. To which I reply if that's your case for him being fired, well you are a fucking moron

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It's as some of you just started following the draft.

In comment 12128037 drkenneth said:

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It's as some of you just started following the draft.

or they simply dont understand how drafts work and that one person is not solely responsible for the picks. The Giants work by consensus. And the fact of the matter is you dont fire GM's who have won Superbowls and the needle is starting to point up your last two drafts..

At this point, nothing more, nothing less. He's had his share of head scratchers, that's for sure, and if anything, I think he's put too much stock in the coaches ability to develop these players. Lately, his drafts have been much better in terms of players coming in and contributing. Hopefully that continues this year for obvious reasons. Next step for Reese will be finding the next franchise QB and Head Coach. That will clearly identify his ability as a GM IMO.

in a lab. If the talent isn't there, WTF is he supposed to do? And don't you think TC has input? Or you think he sits in his office and waits for gameday?

Just stop already people. He's a top GM.

years now. That is on Reese.

is there any indication we'll be going back to the big dance any time soon? IMO, Reese should be on the hotseat, but I fully accept that he isn't. the next year or two will tell us all we need to know about whether Reese and the Mara's can build a competitive team and whether we should bother tuning in to Giants football. I'm beginning to get a terrible feeling that maybe the Mara guiding hands are part of the problem, and if that's so, it's a long, long road of misery ahead for Giants fans.

We've got a franchise QB, and a franchise HC and a franchise GM, according to some. why have we only been in the playoffs once in the last 6 years? Could it possibly be that the 3 aren't as good as legend makes them out to be?

And, let's be real here. Reese has re-signed TC several times. At this point, TC is Reese's coach.

In comment 12129348 Dave in Hoboken said:

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years now. That is on Reese.

No argument here. But- There have been some freak injuries (Nicks, Wilson)....He did wait a year too long on the OL.

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but that doesn't obviate the fact that he is an absolutely outstanding college talent evaluator. "Firing" someone isn't the response to everything. I'd like Reese to scrutinize his mistakes and learn from them, including the neglect of the OL for several years and some dubious selections in the 3rd round. Terps has been making the point that it already looks like such a self-assessment occurred after the 2012 draft, with results improving since then. Let's hope the self-criticism and Reese's post-2012 performance continues.

In comment 12130280 cosmicj said:

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but that doesn't obviate the fact that he is an absolutely outstanding college talent evaluator. "Firing" someone isn't the response to everything. I'd like Reese to scrutinize his mistakes and learn from them, including the neglect of the OL for several years and some dubious selections in the 3rd round. Terps has been making the point that it already looks like such a self-assessment occurred after the 2012 draft, with results improving since then. Let's hope the self-criticism and Reese's post-2012 performance continues.

+1

The two GMs before Reese retired. They weren't fired. Are there people who follow the Giants closely that thought they'd fire the GM?

In comment 12130403 arniefez said:

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The two GMs before Reese retired. They weren't fired. Are there people who follow the Giants closely that thought they'd fire the GM?

Sure were a lot of people on this board thinking that.