Eli Manning career targets: 400 TDs and 60,000 passing yards

That he hasn't thrown as many td's as his brother...i am happy that he has more rings. .romo has tons of stats.. He isn't getting into hall of fame..all of those times we ran the ball from 2006 to 20098 helped us win a lot. . Including the super bowl.. People need to get their priority straight. .

Wit 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs (both against the coach/QB the media now thinks might be the best combo ever, including ruining a potential 19-0 season) and does not make the Hall of Fame that will be a tremendous snub. And even the biggest of Eli haters would have to admit that if they took a step back and were being honest.

QB stats make the playoffs and actually have a chance at winning a SB. Eight of the top ten qualifying QBs in passer rating in 2014 saw their teams make the playoffs. Seven of the top ten in total yards (QB rushing yards + passing yards) made the playoffs. Eight of the top ten in DYAR made the playoffs.

The Giants were more of the hopeless cause the Saints were in 2014, so it wouldn't have mattered what Eli's numbers were to be blunt, even if he was closer to top tier than he ended up, but if they're going to make the playoffs in 2015 with what is likely to again be a below average roster (based on recent track record), his numbers are probably going to be top shelf and he's likely going to have carried them there in a pretty great season, not just been a cog, however key.

Also, "wins" is a stat even if not a good one to judge a QB by.

In comment 12128160 moespree said:

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Wit 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs (both against the coach/QB the media now thinks might be the best combo ever, including ruining a potential 19-0 season) and does not make the Hall of Fame that will be a tremendous snub. And even the biggest of Eli haters would have to admit that if they took a step back and were being honest.

TDs and yards for QBs has spiked so much in recent years, they are taking on less and less value when making historical comps or building HoF cases.

I'm not an Eli hater, but he's not making the HoF without a third SB and it won't be unfair either. Just way too many turnovers, way too many times whiffing on even making the playoffs, and generally mediocre (at best) rate stats for his era, compared to his peers.

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In comment 12128160 moespree said: Quote: Wit 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs (both against the coach/QB the media now thinks might be the best combo ever, including ruining a potential 19-0 season) and does not make the Hall of Fame that will be a tremendous snub. And even the biggest of Eli haters would have to admit that if they took a step back and were being honest. TDs and yards for QBs has spiked so much in recent years, they are taking on less and less value when making historical comps or building HoF cases. I'm not an Eli hater, but he's not making the HoF without a third SB and it won't be unfair either. Just way too many turnovers, way too many times whiffing on even making the playoffs, and generally mediocre (at best) rate stats for his era, compared to his peers.

Because the Read offense he played in had no bearing on his stats
Right just made two of the best post season runs in the history of the game
Yup mediocre.
Insert insult here

let's say, evolved is going to fundamentally break down the offensive system a QB played in and actively look for a reason to excuse why so and so's career passer rating was ten points+ lower than his peers or why his ANY/A isn't even top 100 all time, I don't know what to tell you.

The QB competition for his era is insane. You can't be the most turnover prone QB of it, who missed the playoffs as often as you made them, and be as far behind Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, etc when it comes to almost every rate stat as Eli is and make it. Even with two SBs. It doesn't mean he sucks or that, between accomplishment and longevity, that he isn't the best Giants QB of all time; he doesn't and he is even if he's also not going to make it to Canton.

Plunkett, no multiple SB winner has been left out of the HOF. Eli and Ben are both going to the SB.

They will be top 10 in total passing yards, and TDs. That's just a conservative estimate. If they both keep playing longer and still productive they can possible get closer to top 5.

Eli is tied for 12 in game winning drives. He is tied for 10th in 4th Q comebacks, and currently has that consecutive game starting streak.

I believe Eli, with more productive years, like this past year can easily get into the HOF. Right now the game is basically padding the shit out of your stats. If you can win a SB along the way, then even better, if not, just keep putting up numbers that add to his resume.

The hardest part was the 2 SB and MVPs. The hardest part is out of the way for him. Now to make that resume even better, just keep adding to it via stats.

Jim Plunkett was the only multiple SB bowl winner, with more INTs than TDS NOT to make it to the HOF. I highly doubt they keep Eli and even Ben out of it.

Rivers in comparison to eli is the reason why eli won't make the HOF. Rivers shouldn't even be discussed in the same sentence as eli, rodgers, and ben. But since he has a fancy made up calculated formula.... people actually consider him as a HOF type player.

are Mr. Stats, one in the AFC and the other in the NFC. Both really good Qbs, and if they ever win a SB, they go flying up the charts due to having a SB win AND very good stats. As of right now though, both are the same, all stats and their respective fan bases waiting for that to translate into a SB win.

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let's say, evolved is going to fundamentally break down the offensive system a QB played in and actively look for a reason to excuse why so and so's career passer rating was ten points+ lower than his peers or why his ANY/A isn't even top 100 all time, I don't know what to tell you. The QB competition for his era is insane. You can't be the most turnover prone QB of it, who missed the playoffs as often as you made them, and be as far behind Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, etc when it comes to almost every rate stat as Eli is and make it. Even with two SBs. It doesn't mean he sucks or that, between accomplishment and longevity, that he isn't the best Giants QB of all time; he doesn't and he is even if he's also not going to make it to Canton.

Why don't you look up Eli post season stats.
That is the real Eli
Not the stat filling shit in the regular season.

guy given that we have not seen the playoffs in a long while, nor have we seen many of his 2m heroics as of late. Hopefully the organization can fix this team quickly as Eli is hitting the corner shortly.

Two brilliant runs, three clunkers. It's not as though his playoff record is unblemished.

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Two brilliant runs, three clunkers. It's not as though his playoff record is unblemished.

2006 was a clunker? Not saying he was amazing, but I do believe he put us in a position to win that game.

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generally mediocre (at best) rate stats for his era, compared to his peers.

Only part of the story. It should also be noted that Eli currently has thrown for more passing yardage than any active QB other than Peyton, Brees, and Brady, each of whom entered the league 3-6 years ahead of him. That includes Rivers and Roethlisberger...

Pro-Football-Reference.com

The same is also true of passing TD's...

Pro-Football-Reference.com

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Rivers in comparison to eli is the reason why eli won't make the HOF

Rivers, Eli, and Roethlisberger will always be linked together by virtue of the fact that they were selected within eight picks of one another in the first round of the same draft.

The same idea is true of QB's like John Elway and Dan Marino (1983) as well. The fact that Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason, and Ken O'Brien were also selected in the first round of that same draft has no bearing on Elway and Marino's HOF status.

is no where near a game I'd label a "clunker".

He threw 2 TDs and 1 Int and tied the game before the Eagles went down the field, killed the clock, and kicked an Akers FG.

In other related news, I believe that was it for Tim Lewis who got fired during the offseason and in comes SPags, and we promoted Gilbride for the 2007-08 season.

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Quote: generally mediocre (at best) rate stats for his era, compared to his peers. Only part of the story. It should also be noted that Eli currently has thrown for more passing yardage than any active QB other than Peyton, Brees, and Brady, each of whom entered the league 3-6 years ahead of him. That includes Rivers and Roethlisberger... Pro-Football-Reference.com The same is also true of passing TD's... Pro-Football-Reference.com Quote: Rivers in comparison to eli is the reason why eli won't make the HOF Rivers, Eli, and Roethlisberger will always be linked together by virtue of the fact that they were selected within eight picks of one another in the first round of the same draft. The same idea is true of QB's like John Elway and Dan Marino (1983) as well. The fact that Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason, and Ken O'Brien were also selected in the first round of that same draft has no bearing on Elway and Marino's HOF status.

Eli only has more yards than Ben and Rivers because he's played in more games (which speaks to his durability and lacking of raping over Ben and merely starting earlier than Rivers). Ben and Rivers easily average more YPG (since they took over as starters) at 245.64 and 253.52, respectively, than Eli at 238.05. They also each have significantly better TD% and YPA and yes, winning percentages as starters (Ben at .671, Rivers at .601 and Eli at a falling .559)

It's not just them Eli's "competing" against either (and Rivers isn't going to get in himself, barring an incredibly unlikely SB win; only Ben probably is and, of the non-QBs of that 2004 draft class, possibly Fitzgerald and Wilfork). Rodgers, Brees, Romo, Ryan, Stafford, etc. are going to be in his HoF window and most of the stats aren't going to be kind to him, compared to many of them when it's all said and done.

Legitimately the only argument Eli is going to have in the voters' eyes (fair or not) is the two SBs... and the two SB MVPs aren't likely going to hold that much weight, given how openly no one, from writers to even players on that team, seems to think he deserved them (which is garbage in my opinion, but it's not like my opinion can change how someone like Peter King thinks).

but I think he'll have to front load it over the next few seasons.

...Eli looked good on the Giants' first and last drives. On the nine intervening possessions, he was brutal: something like 7 of 17 for 41 yards and a pick. The seven-minute drive to tie the game was very nice, but Eli stunk up the Linc most of the day.

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...Eli looked good on the Giants' first and last drives. On the nine intervening possessions, he was brutal: something like 7 of 17 for 41 yards and a pick. The seven-minute drive to tie the game was very nice, but Eli stunk up the Linc most of the day.

So we had a chance to win the game on the road as big underdogs is that you are saying?

You cant cherry pick stats to make an argument. How was the blocking? Were the WRs open? Were there any drops? Did he miss any throws?

Tiki was awesome in that game, but by your account he was awful from the 1st drive sans one 41 yard run because he ran for less than 2 YPC for about 3 quarters. Makes sense now, doesnt it?

...I should have said the Giants' passing game was brutal. With Tim Carter starting opposite Burress, Shockey in rapid decline, and Sinorice Moss taking significant snaps, Eli wasn't the whole problem. And I agree that his performance in Philly was much better than the horror show against Carolina a year earlier.

For what it's worth, the Giants were a seven-point underdog at the Linc. It's not as though nobody gave them a chance.

throws a lot of interceptions, it's because he sucks? When Favre or Brees throw a lot, they are gunslingers.

When Eli has a rough game, then gets hot late and gets the team the victory, he's lucky his defense bailed him out? When Russell Wilson is horrible for 3.5 quarters of the NFC Championship game and then gets hot late, he's clutch and is a winner? Same thing with Tim Tebow, once upon a time.

If Eli doesn't win another Super Bowl, he will not make the Hall. Unlike Ben, who probably already will. Rivers might ever get more consideration than Eli. Dare to mention the Super Bowls and watch people start taking about Dan Marino and Trent Dilfer (that's the go-to argument when trying to discredit Eli).

Perhaps Eli should announce his retirement, get plastic surgery to look totally different, change his name and sign with the Giants. Maybe people will finally fall over each other in love with him like they have with Wilson, Ben, and Romo.

if Eli's last name was Smith and not Manning he would get a LOT more accolades

But he doesnt seem to fit my idea of a Hall of Famer. I think the HOF should be made up of guys that were the top 2-4 players at their position during their era. I just dont think Eli fits that criteria. How many QBs are you going to put in the HOF?

The thing for me is that I dont think Eli was in the top 5 in most of his years playing. That not saying he is not a good player, he is just not the best of the best imho.

Looking at QB rating since 2006 here are his stats:
2006 - 16
2007 - 18
2008 - 12
2009 - 8
2010 - 9
2011 - 11
2012 - 7
2013 - 27
2014 - 7
Most of the usual suspects and guys he will compete against for HOF consideration are up in the top 5 or near consistently and have been top 2 at least once.

Yards / TDs / INTs (Most)ranking

2006 - 11, 4, 4
2007 - 12, 11, 1
2008 - 17, 10, 21
2009 - 10, 8, 11
2010 - 5, 4, 1
2011 - 4, 6, 7
2012 - 12, 9, 10
2013 - 14, 21, 1
2014 - 6, 9, 8

This is an area where he will suffer in the comparisons as well. He was only in the top 5 in passing yards twice. Only in the top 5 in TDs twice and for INTs he was in the top 5 four times while he led the league in INTs 3 times.

He has 2 Superbowl wins and 2 SB MVPs to his credit. Having seen pretty much every game he has played I just dont see the consistency for him to be considered a HOFer. I dont think comparing him to past generations is a fair comparison so just looking at him compared to others of his Era I think he falls just short if he were to retire today. If he adds 2 more great seasons and by great I mean top 5 stats he strengthens his case. In no way is he a lock imo when you take into account the stats above and his overall record.

Just my opinion. He is good not great and I am happy to have him.

In comment 12128882 Big Blue Blogger said:

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...I should have said the Giants' passing game was brutal. With Tim Carter starting opposite Burress, Shockey in rapid decline, and Sinorice Moss taking significant snaps, Eli wasn't the whole problem. And I agree that his performance in Philly was much better than the horror show against Carolina a year earlier. For what it's worth, the Giants were a seven-point underdog at the Linc. It's not as though nobody gave them a chance.

And I wouldn't say he was great sither. A clunker was the 2nd eagle game and carolina. He was awful those games. Haha

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Plunkett, no multiple SB winner has been left out of the HOF. Eli and Ben are both going to the SB. They will be top 10 in total passing yards, and TDs. That's just a conservative estimate. If they both keep playing longer and still productive they can possible get closer to top 5. Eli is tied for 12 in game winning drives. He is tied for 10th in 4th Q comebacks, and currently has that consecutive game starting streak. I believe Eli, with more productive years, like this past year can easily get into the HOF. Right now the game is basically padding the shit out of your stats. If you can win a SB along the way, then even better, if not, just keep putting up numbers that add to his resume. The hardest part was the 2 SB and MVPs. The hardest part is out of the way for him. Now to make that resume even better, just keep adding to it via stats. Jim Plunkett was the only multiple SB bowl winner, with more INTs than TDS NOT to make it to the HOF. I highly doubt they keep Eli and even Ben out of it.

Jim Plunkett is a good comp for Eli. Numbers are meaningless because of the era's. Plunkett was high-intelligence, good-arm, no-athleticism QB who won when it mattered. His fans, on multiple teams, all adrmired him, but it never translated into a Staubach or Bradshaw type reputation.

No reasonable Giant fan thinks Eli sucks, and I don't think anyone here is all that taken with Russell Wilson either - at least, not as a passer. The reality of Eli's track record is that it's wildly mixed. He's given us two glorious playoff runs. For those eight games, with everything on the line, he was as good as any QB, ever, against the best the League had to offer. I'd add that his 2011 regular season was extraordinary, despite a couple of ugly games.

Now, purely for argument's sake, subtract those 24 "peak" games (4 in 2007-2008, 20 in 2011-2012), and he drops from borderline HoF to the Testaverde / Bledsoe / Rivers / McNabb / Palmer level. I think the two Super Bowls and his incredible durability elevate him far above those guys, but I understand the view of those who wish the "good" Eli would show up more consistently. That doesn't mean he sucks in any overall sense. It just means he sucks too often.

In comment 12129073 Big Blue Blogger said:

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No reasonable Giant fan thinks Eli sucks, and I don't think anyone here is all that taken with Russell Wilson either - at least, not as a passer. The reality of Eli's track record is that it's wildly mixed. He's given us two glorious playoff runs. For those eight games, with everything on the line, he was as good as any QB, ever, against the best the League had to offer. I'd add that his 2011 regular season was extraordinary, despite a couple of ugly games. Now, purely for argument's sake, subtract those 24 "peak" games (4 in 2007-2008, 20 in 2011-2012), and he drops from borderline HoF to the Testaverde / Bledsoe / Rivers / McNabb / Palmer level. I think the two Super Bowls and his incredible durability elevate him far above those guys, but I understand the view of those who wish the "good" Eli would show up more consistently. That doesn't mean he sucks in any overall sense. It just means he sucks too often.

Re 2011 regular season, had ANY QB in the '04 class had the year Eli had, a strong case could be made for an MVP award..Eli wasn't getting it under ANY circumstances, imo

Eli to Ben... its astonishing how similar they have been.

Both have 3 Pro Bowls (Eli got fucked out of a 4th one this year)
Both have four 4,000 yard seasons
Both have two year of 30 plus TD passes
Both have 2 SBs
Both each had 1 incredibly bad season.

Eli has a few more TDs and more INTs. Ben has a better record. If Eli and Ben continue to play like they did last year, I think they will be tied together for the HOF.

I think it's incredibly unlikely Eli's makes the HoF without a third ring, but how he gets painted as Plunkett 2.0 by some is as foolish as how Dilfer used to get invoked before 2011.

He was washed up at 31, after losing his job first to Steve Grogan and then to Steve DeBerg. The Raiders picked him up off the scrap heap as insurance behind Stabler. When the Snake got old (and he was only two years older than Plunkett), Oakland brought in Dan Pastorini as a bridge to first-round pick Marc Wilson. If Pastorini hadn't gotten hurt, Plunkett would have finished his career as a backup, and as a bust of historic proportions. He shares two things with Eli: they were both #1 overall picks who got off to bumpy starts, and they each won a pair of Super Bowls. But the overall arc of Plunkett's career was completely different. He spent his prime as a reviled failure, and never even reached the playoffs until he was 33.

Devon and BBB think unless he wins a 3rd ring, he wont make it, and thats fine. But lets look at who will from the QB position in comparison to his peers.

Brady, Peyton, Rodgers are locks.
Brees is probably in, even though I would argue he is closer to Ben and Eli than most people think.
Ryan, Romo, Rivers, Flacco are a tier below.
Luck/Wilson its too early to tell.

So the two I didnt mention are Ben/Eli. And I think they are closer than most think. I think both of them will sky up the charts in yards/TDs. Obviously, Ben's team has had more success and Ben has played better the last few years, but I could argue that Eli was better in the middle part of their careers.

I dont think its unfair to say that all 6 (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli, Ben) should make the HOF due to how much more important the position is now.

he's 31 and only has 6 full seasons starting.

I agree he'll probably get in, but today he's not a lock.

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he's 31 and only has 6 full seasons starting. I agree he'll probably get in, but today he's not a lock.

Ehhh. Two MVPs and a SB with insane numbers. I would consider him a lock now. But for all intents and purposes, he is most likely getting in.

The numbers he put up that year are so ridiculous they look like typos: 45 TDs and 6 INTs, 9.2 YPA and a TD every 11 passes? The only guy remotely close was Brees, who got the consolation prize, Offensive PoY. Brady had a season that would have warranted MVP consideration too, but not that year.

Eli wasn't even in the conversation; and since MVP is a regular season award, it's hard to say he should have been. Although he carried a team with a leaky line and no running game; you could say the same of Rodgers. The Packers allowed 41 sacks and their top rusher had just 578 yards. They won their first 13 games and finished 15-1.

Impressive stats for sure...But Eli's record-setting 4th qtr comebacks in one year was, to me, the most impressive QB feat of '11..

They walked a razor's edge all year, giving Eli a lot of chances for fourth quarter heroics. (Also, a couple of those "comebacks" - like the win at the Linc - were cemented long before the final drive.) The Giants lost about half of their close games, including the controversial, head-to-head matchup at MetLife, where Eli scored a little too early and Rodgers drove Green Bay for the winning chip shot against a hapless, depleted defense.

Meanwhile, the Packers blew most of their opponents out. That's one interesting aspect of AR's resume: partly because he has engineered so many routs, he doesn't have a lot of dramatic, game-winning drives to his credit. Does that mean he's less clutch than Eli, or is it more a function of circumstances?

as you just made re Eli's comebacks..No one in the history of Pro Football accomplished that..

That mindset goes towards, Tyree's Helmet Catch, Assante's dropped INT, the Tuck rule for Brady, Wilcots' in the gut dropped INT that would have ended in a Montana SB loss and so on..

Rodgers' year was fabulous, as was Favre's 2010, Brady's 50 TD tosses, Peyton's 55..

Unfortunately, post-season doesn't count, or else we wouldn't even be having this discussion, imo

as he certainly had an outstanding year going into the playoffs..What I don't buy is your almost dismissive attitude towards what Eli accomplished(not including playoffs)..

It's clear my definition of MVP differs from yours and perhaps others and that's fine..It makes for solid discussion

Great year to have to draft a qb- Rivers, Manning, Big Ben. A team really couldn't go wrong with any of them.

In comment 12129073 Big Blue Blogger said:

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No reasonable Giant fan thinks Eli sucks, and I don't think anyone here is all that taken with Russell Wilson either - at least, not as a passer. The reality of Eli's track record is that it's wildly mixed. He's given us two glorious playoff runs. For those eight games, with everything on the line, he was as good as any QB, ever, against the best the League had to offer. I'd add that his 2011 regular season was extraordinary, despite a couple of ugly games. Now, purely for argument's sake, subtract those 24 "peak" games (4 in 2007-2008, 20 in 2011-2012), and he drops from borderline HoF to the Testaverde / Bledsoe / Rivers / McNabb / Palmer level. I think the two Super Bowls and his incredible durability elevate him far above those guys, but I understand the view of those who wish the "good" Eli would show up more consistently. That doesn't mean he sucks in any overall sense. It just means he sucks too often.

I wasn't referring to Giants' fans. For the most part, Giants' fans are behind Eli. But it's not Giants' fans who decide the Hall of Fame, or sculpt public perception. It's the media, and all the fans.

And the media basically gave Russell Wilson a free pass when he sucked balls for 95 percent of the NFC Championship. It's the media that gave Wilson on a free pass in his Super Bowl for his interception (on a short pass in traffic, you need to put the ball where only the receiver can get it) and for having to burn a timeout after an incomplete pass at the beginning of their final drive).

Romo plays hurt, and he's a warrior. Eli is the NFL's active leader in consecutive starts, and he's merely durable. Which one sounds more impressive to you?

Ben has led the Steelers to two titles and three Super Bowls. His team won in spite of him in the first win and was a significant factor in them losing, but who talks about that? Eli has been the Super Bowl MVP twice, and all everyone can say is that he didn't deserve them. And when Giants' fans suggest Eli is a top quarterback, others laugh. When Steelers' fans suggest Ben is a top QB, others might agree, but nobody is laughing. The two QBs are fairly similar statistically, but you would never know by hearing people talk.

On that, we agree; we're just impressed by different aspects of its greatness. Among the regular season comebacks, the ones that stand out as real gems are the road games at Arizona, New England and Dallas. I think the numbers get padded a bit by the home wins over Buffalo and Miami, where the Giants toyed with bad teams before finally waking up.

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On that, we agree; we're just impressed by different aspects of its greatness. Among the regular season comebacks, the ones that stand out as real gems are the road games at Arizona, New England and Dallas. I think the numbers get padded a bit by the home wins over Buffalo and Miami, where the Giants toyed with bad teams before finally waking up.

Eli had 0 tds against buffalo. I believe bradshaw had like four 1 yard TD runs. I know eli had like 3 guys tackled at the 1. I was at that game.

he had three 1 yard TD runs. All of the TDs in the game.

I dont go by padding stats anymore because the top QBs like Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton do it more than any other QBs.

BB56 had pointed to the comebacks as a yardstick for Eli's great 2011 season, so I was just commenting on that aspect. A win is a win, and those were tough ones - necessary too, considering the Giants' skin-of-their-teeth entrance into the playoffs. But in a season with many signature Eli games, those don't stand out as proof of his greatness.

I don't really think much of the stat itself. Then again, I don't think much of any stat, other than wins.

game planning/coaching and not some intangible greatness.

The Giants were the best three-wide team in the NFL by most metrics, but that usually didn't become their base until Gilbride/Coughlin had no choice in games, which was usually in "clutch" situations or the fourth quarter, when they were down or scratching to stay in it.

It was frustrating in some ways to watch, honestly, even right down to the SB, when they were facing a team giving Edelman snaps in the secondary they were so fucked and they still forced two TEs/TE-FB until they physically ran out of TEs to run out there.

to see him accomplish those individual accolades. but im here for Super Bowls idc if he throws 15tds and 2500 yards a year as long as they win. Hes never gonna get the credit he deserves statistically. you play to win the game.

he makes the playoffs 5x. then we have this 3 year draught and hes labeled as someone who doesnt make the playoffs. incredulous. 2 things put guys in the NFL HOF..stats and hardware. hes already got the hardware and the stats, as this thread points out...will be there. HOF...guaranteed.

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this is the third thread speculating on either Eli's stats or his 2015 passer rating that this fucking schmuck has started in the past week. I'd rather read about fibromyalgia.

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1st and foremost, I will say I attribute the less than stellar stats to the system Eli played in, ie., "The Gilbride if/then go to system". How many dropped, incomplete and intercepted passes were the result of that system? How about the lack of a decent OL, run game and pass protection. Look at the # of hits Eli has consistently endured over the years. When he 1st started, he had the gunslinger-win-the-game mentality which was quashed by Gilbride's "if-then-go-to-system" which relied on the receivers and Eli instantaneously reading and reacting to minute nuances the same way? The verdict is not totally out regarding either view of Eli's performance yet. This year will be indicative of where he will be ultimately rated since he is in the 2nd year of a system comparable to Brady (the measuring stick if you will). JMHO.

Whoever that guy was, his system didn't seem to prevent Eli from playing pretty well.