Eli Manning career targets: 400 TDs and 60,000 passing yards

Impressive stats for sure...But Eli's record-setting 4th qtr comebacks in one year was, to me, the most impressive QB feat of '11..

They walked a razor's edge all year, giving Eli a lot of chances for fourth quarter heroics. (Also, a couple of those "comebacks" - like the win at the Linc - were cemented long before the final drive.) The Giants lost about half of their close games, including the controversial, head-to-head matchup at MetLife, where Eli scored a little too early and Rodgers drove Green Bay for the winning chip shot against a hapless, depleted defense.

Meanwhile, the Packers blew most of their opponents out. That's one interesting aspect of AR's resume: partly because he has engineered so many routs, he doesn't have a lot of dramatic, game-winning drives to his credit. Does that mean he's less clutch than Eli, or is it more a function of circumstances?

as you just made re Eli's comebacks..No one in the history of Pro Football accomplished that..

That mindset goes towards, Tyree's Helmet Catch, Assante's dropped INT, the Tuck rule for Brady, Wilcots' in the gut dropped INT that would have ended in a Montana SB loss and so on..

Rodgers' year was fabulous, as was Favre's 2010, Brady's 50 TD tosses, Peyton's 55..

Unfortunately, post-season doesn't count, or else we wouldn't even be having this discussion, imo

as he certainly had an outstanding year going into the playoffs..What I don't buy is your almost dismissive attitude towards what Eli accomplished(not including playoffs)..

It's clear my definition of MVP differs from yours and perhaps others and that's fine..It makes for solid discussion

Great year to have to draft a qb- Rivers, Manning, Big Ben. A team really couldn't go wrong with any of them.

In comment 12129073 Big Blue Blogger said:

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No reasonable Giant fan thinks Eli sucks, and I don't think anyone here is all that taken with Russell Wilson either - at least, not as a passer. The reality of Eli's track record is that it's wildly mixed. He's given us two glorious playoff runs. For those eight games, with everything on the line, he was as good as any QB, ever, against the best the League had to offer. I'd add that his 2011 regular season was extraordinary, despite a couple of ugly games. Now, purely for argument's sake, subtract those 24 "peak" games (4 in 2007-2008, 20 in 2011-2012), and he drops from borderline HoF to the Testaverde / Bledsoe / Rivers / McNabb / Palmer level. I think the two Super Bowls and his incredible durability elevate him far above those guys, but I understand the view of those who wish the "good" Eli would show up more consistently. That doesn't mean he sucks in any overall sense. It just means he sucks too often.

I wasn't referring to Giants' fans. For the most part, Giants' fans are behind Eli. But it's not Giants' fans who decide the Hall of Fame, or sculpt public perception. It's the media, and all the fans.

And the media basically gave Russell Wilson a free pass when he sucked balls for 95 percent of the NFC Championship. It's the media that gave Wilson on a free pass in his Super Bowl for his interception (on a short pass in traffic, you need to put the ball where only the receiver can get it) and for having to burn a timeout after an incomplete pass at the beginning of their final drive).

Romo plays hurt, and he's a warrior. Eli is the NFL's active leader in consecutive starts, and he's merely durable. Which one sounds more impressive to you?

Ben has led the Steelers to two titles and three Super Bowls. His team won in spite of him in the first win and was a significant factor in them losing, but who talks about that? Eli has been the Super Bowl MVP twice, and all everyone can say is that he didn't deserve them. And when Giants' fans suggest Eli is a top quarterback, others laugh. When Steelers' fans suggest Ben is a top QB, others might agree, but nobody is laughing. The two QBs are fairly similar statistically, but you would never know by hearing people talk.

On that, we agree; we're just impressed by different aspects of its greatness. Among the regular season comebacks, the ones that stand out as real gems are the road games at Arizona, New England and Dallas. I think the numbers get padded a bit by the home wins over Buffalo and Miami, where the Giants toyed with bad teams before finally waking up.

In comment 12129340 Big Blue Blogger said:

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On that, we agree; we're just impressed by different aspects of its greatness. Among the regular season comebacks, the ones that stand out as real gems are the road games at Arizona, New England and Dallas. I think the numbers get padded a bit by the home wins over Buffalo and Miami, where the Giants toyed with bad teams before finally waking up.

Eli had 0 tds against buffalo. I believe bradshaw had like four 1 yard TD runs. I know eli had like 3 guys tackled at the 1. I was at that game.

he had three 1 yard TD runs. All of the TDs in the game.

I dont go by padding stats anymore because the top QBs like Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton do it more than any other QBs.

BB56 had pointed to the comebacks as a yardstick for Eli's great 2011 season, so I was just commenting on that aspect. A win is a win, and those were tough ones - necessary too, considering the Giants' skin-of-their-teeth entrance into the playoffs. But in a season with many signature Eli games, those don't stand out as proof of his greatness.

I don't really think much of the stat itself. Then again, I don't think much of any stat, other than wins.

game planning/coaching and not some intangible greatness.

The Giants were the best three-wide team in the NFL by most metrics, but that usually didn't become their base until Gilbride/Coughlin had no choice in games, which was usually in "clutch" situations or the fourth quarter, when they were down or scratching to stay in it.

It was frustrating in some ways to watch, honestly, even right down to the SB, when they were facing a team giving Edelman snaps in the secondary they were so fucked and they still forced two TEs/TE-FB until they physically ran out of TEs to run out there.

to see him accomplish those individual accolades. but im here for Super Bowls idc if he throws 15tds and 2500 yards a year as long as they win. Hes never gonna get the credit he deserves statistically. you play to win the game.

he makes the playoffs 5x. then we have this 3 year draught and hes labeled as someone who doesnt make the playoffs. incredulous. 2 things put guys in the NFL HOF..stats and hardware. hes already got the hardware and the stats, as this thread points out...will be there. HOF...guaranteed.

In comment 12128029 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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this is the third thread speculating on either Eli's stats or his 2015 passer rating that this fucking schmuck has started in the past week. I'd rather read about fibromyalgia.

Here you go - ( New Window )

1st and foremost, I will say I attribute the less than stellar stats to the system Eli played in, ie., "The Gilbride if/then go to system". How many dropped, incomplete and intercepted passes were the result of that system? How about the lack of a decent OL, run game and pass protection. Look at the # of hits Eli has consistently endured over the years. When he 1st started, he had the gunslinger-win-the-game mentality which was quashed by Gilbride's "if-then-go-to-system" which relied on the receivers and Eli instantaneously reading and reacting to minute nuances the same way? The verdict is not totally out regarding either view of Eli's performance yet. This year will be indicative of where he will be ultimately rated since he is in the 2nd year of a system comparable to Brady (the measuring stick if you will). JMHO.

Whoever that guy was, his system didn't seem to prevent Eli from playing pretty well.