I believe it's a good bet the giants go OL in the 1st. If they do it will probably come down to these two players.
Who would you rather have the giants take and why?
I like Peat better because i believe he is the best LT in the draft. The giants could start him at right tackle his 1st year to gain experience and then he could replace beatty in the future.
If they don't land an OG in FA, however, the decision becomes more difficult for me, as I think that the addition of Scherff would immediately solve our OL problems in the running game, as long as Schwartz also comes back healthy. Putting two really strong run blockers next to our adequate but less powerful OTs would give us a very solid OL.
Yet Peat will likely be a top LT in the league, and they don't come available too often. At the same time, Scherff may well be an all-pro caliber OG or RT, and that's nothing to sneeze at.
Glad I don't have to make the decision. Frankly, I'm not sure that Reese will either, as one or both of these guys might be gone by pick 9.
Agree 100% Orlando franklin or Iupati would be good fits. Then start rebuilding this defense with that first round pick
If he goes BPA, and there's no reason to believe he won't, he's not going to pick an OL that doesn't deserve to get picked until the latter half of Round 1 into the early half of Round Two.
There are perhaps two DEs that more or less fit the Giants' criteria, and at least three WRs.
I'm thinking that all the talk of early first round OL is just that...talk. There's no one of the group that wouldn't be a reach and an absolute need pick at the 9-slot. That just isn't smart drafting and isn't at all likely to happen.
Round Two will be when OL start fitting in. I'd guess at least one, maybe two, of the Tackles will be available and that could be the pick there.
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last starting OL in FA. No need to waste another year of Eli's prime waiting for a rookie to develop.
Agree 100% Orlando franklin or Iupati would be good fits. Then start rebuilding this defense with that first round pick
I concur with the concept, but who at #9. The only defenders i would even consider at #9 are Shelton and Dupree and admittedly Dupree could be reach. It's still early though and someone could rise. Would love to add an impact defensive player, but I just don't see many in this draft... yet.
Nothing wrong with adding a DE or WR if they are worthy of the ninth pick. I see WRs who are, not sure there is a DE who is.
Scherff is another Robert Gallery
What a waste at 9
Peat surprised me. His size prejudiced me to expect a big clumsy kid. Big he is, clumsy he isn't! Surprisingly nimble, the most effective of the three, and easily the best passing blocker. And while he has a way to go to become a finished NFL product, he looks like he can play in this league, and maybe someday become a dominant OT.
Here's the problem: Scherff can't pass-protect against NFL pass-rushers. His feet/kick-slide is extremely below average, and will get him destroyed in the NFL.
We need to continue to give Eli a perfect pocket, Scherff isn't what we need.
Peat surprised me. His size prejudiced me to expect a big clumsy kid. Big he is, clumsy he isn't! Surprisingly nimble, the most effective of the three, and easily the best passing blocker. And while he has a way to go to become a finished NFL product, he looks like he can play in this league, and maybe someday become a dominant OT.
Agreed.
I don't understand the Scherff hype.
He gets beat all the time in pass-pro.
People place too much value on run-blocking.
This is a passing league.
yes, unless an unbelievable talent drops to us.
They have the 2nd best Center in the NFL in Frederick.
We don't.
True, but how long can they afford to hold that line together. Could cost them more holes on defense and the loss of two pro-bowl skill players. The Dallas OL is a great story, but pieces are going to start falling off. I think you build an OL by finding players you don't have to overpay to be part of a unit. The Giants had a great OL when it was Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie and I think McKensize was the highest paid member and was more than reasonably priced.
The other part is, if we are to counter Dallas' OL, we need a DL to match, which the Giants currently don't have.
Ask them who they'd rather have, OBJ or Martin.
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I've watched video of Scherff, Collins and Peat. I don't like Scherff at all. He seemed to have the most problems of the three. The many glowing descriptions I've heard of Collins made believe he'd stand out above the other two, but he didn't. Sometimes dominant at the POA, but more often having trouble sticking with his man, particularly when pass blocking.
Peat surprised me. His size prejudiced me to expect a big clumsy kid. Big he is, clumsy he isn't! Surprisingly nimble, the most effective of the three, and easily the best passing blocker. And while he has a way to go to become a finished NFL product, he looks like he can play in this league, and maybe someday become a dominant OT.
Agreed.
I don't understand the Scherff hype.
He gets beat all the time in pass-pro.
People place too much value on run-blocking.
This is a passing league.
The video I watched of Scherff didn't even show him as a dominant run blocker. Nasty? Yes. Dominant? No. More than half the time I saw him getting pushed around or falling off the defender.
But Collins is a better pass blocker and almost as good a run blocker.
Offensive lineman can take years to develop. Obviously we need to draft some. However, to expect a rookie to come in and solidify the line is asking a lot. The rookie tackles have not faired well overall. Zack Martin was moved to guard and protected on all sides. At least a defender can be rotated in. You can't rotate o-lineman and be successful.
Much better chance of recreating the Mckenzie situation of 2005 (free agency) then drafting someone and expecting an instant impact on the line.
I also tend to agree with BMac here in that it's very likely a DE or WR will be the BPA at #9. But, unless they're really sold on said player I'd draft Peat.
As we move into Combines and pro days, pay close attention to DE and WR. "Playmaker" gets them NYG priority on draft day.
I also tend to agree with BMac here in that it's very likely a DE or WR will be the BPA at #9. But, unless they're really sold on said player I'd draft Peat.
As we move into Combines and pro days, pay close attention to DE and WR. "Playmaker" gets them NYG priority on draft day.
JonC, I tell myself every time that I'm not going to post to your responses because I already know that I will agree and why beat a dead horse. But I can't help it. Great points all around!
I know you would like to see an OT taken but I appreciate your balanced take on what is appropriate for the #9 pick. Completely agree. If an OL is taken, then it will be a guy with LT ability or no OL at all. The key is value and a LT arguably gives you options at RT and OG too.
Everyone should keep an eye on the combine. If a good sized DE shows good athleticism he is likely an instant add on the Giants list. A WR who can work the outside and shows good route running, hands, and catch radius is also on the list. Going to be a very interesting scouting process.
I do think they'll work hard to sign a player like Franklin via UFA, as it really plugs the one immediate OL hole moving into the 2015 season cycle.
I'd actually prefer a DE at #9, I think that's the position the team most immediately have to take advantage of premium assets in the draft, as they're too expensive via UFA. But, we just don't know yet if a DE is good value there or not. I'm not as sold on the top 3 WRs so far. Not a great year to own a top 10 pick.
I also tend to agree with BMac here in that it's very likely a DE or WR will be the BPA at #9. But, unless they're really sold on said player I'd draft Peat.
As we move into Combines and pro days, pay close attention to DE and WR. "Playmaker" gets them NYG priority on draft day.
I had said on a different thread that the one scenario under which I can see the Giants drafting Peat is that they don't envision picking anywhere nearly as low as this for a long time.
In that case, and it's a VERY special circumstance, I can see Reese et al taking Peat as their one-and-only chance at drafting a quality LT in the near-to-mid term.
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I don't believe Scherff will, and part of the lower grade is he's very likely a RT or OG in the NFL. Collins falls into this criteria as well, imo. I just don't see NYG burning the #9 overall pick on any OL other than a left tackle.
I also tend to agree with BMac here in that it's very likely a DE or WR will be the BPA at #9. But, unless they're really sold on said player I'd draft Peat.
As we move into Combines and pro days, pay close attention to DE and WR. "Playmaker" gets them NYG priority on draft day.
I had said on a different thread that the one scenario under which I can see the Giants drafting Peat is that they don't envision picking anywhere nearly as low as this for a long time.
In that case, and it's a VERY special circumstance, I can see Reese et al taking Peat as their one-and-only chance at drafting a quality LT in the near-to-mid term.
We agree yet again. I think things get interesting if Gregory or Ray is available, and NYG believes it's time to infuse more speed into the pass rush, but there's significant risk involved with such a strategy.
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I don't believe Scherff will, and part of the lower grade is he's very likely a RT or OG in the NFL. Collins falls into this criteria as well, imo. I just don't see NYG burning the #9 overall pick on any OL other than a left tackle.
I also tend to agree with BMac here in that it's very likely a DE or WR will be the BPA at #9. But, unless they're really sold on said player I'd draft Peat.
As we move into Combines and pro days, pay close attention to DE and WR. "Playmaker" gets them NYG priority on draft day.
I had said on a different thread that the one scenario under which I can see the Giants drafting Peat is that they don't envision picking anywhere nearly as low as this for a long time.
In that case, and it's a VERY special circumstance, I can see Reese et al taking Peat as their one-and-only chance at drafting a quality LT in the near-to-mid term.
We agree yet again. I think things get interesting if Gregory or Ray is available, and NYG believes it's time to infuse more speed into the pass rush, but there's significant risk involved with such a strategy.
Unlike last year where the talent was available by the bucketload, the draft this year just doesn't have that true stand-out player at our slot. There are, however, still at least several reasonable options, any one of which moves the team forward.
I think this draft is a LOT more difficult to try and forecast. I'm going to stick with the notion that, whoever they pick, it'll be a big plus for now and into the future.
I do think that at least a few of the OL being bruited about here slip into Round 2. Just who they'll be well, I won't hazard a guess. Call it a gut instinct call (which probably has as much validity at this point as any prognosticator ;).
I disagree, Eli needs more time to make plays, not another playmaker WR. I would prefer they get a quality FA WR in case Cruz can't be productive.
As far as who's worth what at #9, last year teams didn't think Martin wasn't worth a top 10 pick; how many would like another change at him? The first rookie All-Pro OL since 1947.
Thats the ticket
Thats the ticket
How many people have to state the fact that Beatty is not a RT before this ends?
Yes, and Beatty is not a Right Tackle. I really can't wrap my head around why anyone would think this is a remotely good idea.
LT Beatty
LG ?
C Richburgh
RG Schwartz
RT Pugh
If we draft an OL, tackle would assume Pugh goes inside; G would assume he is a LG and Pugh stays at RT.
But we're a long way from making those assumptions.
Three NFL general managers told us that they have a third-round grade on Clemmings, but they believe that the team that likes him enough to draft him will take him in the second round. Another general manager said he has a day-two grade on him. The team that has a fourth-round grade on Clemmings could consider drafting an offensive tackle late in the first round, but happens to be down on Clemmings.
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But make no mistake, if they view Peat as the future LT and this is a good chance to grab that cornerstone player, they'll do it and begin planning WB's exit next Winter.
But make no mistake, if they view Peat as the future LT and this is a good chance to grab that cornerstone player, they'll do it and begin planning WB's exit next Winter.
Agree JonC. Beatty is not an RT. He is not strong nor physical enough. He is the LT until the find a better option and then he will be cut.
Or, or, maybe they like Rogers Gaines as much as I do?
Of course, since he's not even on their roster, maybe they don't like him at all.
Beatty
Pugh
Richburg
Scherf
(free agent or mosely or always injured schwartz, unreliable jerry)
or
Beatty
Pugh
Richburg
(free agent or second rounder, but what about D?)
Peat
Schwartz has not shown that he is healthy enough to play and Jerry was apparently all over the map, play quality wise.