I also disagree with the idea that a belief, even a whacky one, on one piece of science reflects whether or not they reject all established science or even any other piece of science.
This could easily get extrapolated to a candidate's view on global warming and other science issues. All those issues, and a person's view on them are, imo, independent of each other. And if I disagree with a candidate on their perception of global warming, it likely would not impact on how I view that person overall and, hence, my vote.
Hillary Clinton has intimated that there is a link between vaccines and autism. Should that disqualify her from being President? Does that indicate her views on evolution or any other part of science? I don't think so.
Not weighing the preponderance of scientific evidence in favor of evolution over a single book indicates a systematically poor ability to reason. That's an extremely frightening weakness for a president.
The comparison with Hillary espousing a link between vaccinations and autism is pretty poor. The Lancet only just recently retracted a study published decades ago finding a link. That wass far more evidence then there is for any alternative to evolution.
I guess you don't care that the evidence about vaccines was completely false and discredited?
It would be equivalent to asking them if they believe in gravity or the second law of thermodynamics.
But since that's not the world we live in, then it's perfectly reasonable question to ask anyone who wants to hold high public office. It informs a lot of things including science and education policy as well as the politicians intellect or basic honesty.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
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not sure the answer will influence the overall vote all that much, if at all. Plus there is a middle of the road answer that most Christians believe (including myself), which is that evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive.
It would be equivalent to asking them if they believe in gravity or the second law of thermodynamics.
But since that's not the world we live in, then it's perfectly reasonable question to ask anyone who wants to hold high public office. It informs a lot of things including science and education policy as well as the politicians intellect or basic honesty.
not sure the answer will influence the overall vote all that much, if at all. Plus there is a middle of the road answer that most Christians believe (including myself), which is that evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp to man connection is comical enough, but imo, the primordial soup to man wins first place for absurdity.
I still remember our long ago discussion about the little horses of the Americas that migrated over the land bridge to the old world and became much bigger.
is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Haven't read much of the thread yet, but this.
I don't need a guy that agreed with me on everything. I need a guy that's going to be great at making the right decisions. If those decisions are faith based (unless it's a moral choice- and even then I'd rather it come from just being a good person rather than what thousands of year old book he reads ), he's not getting my votes.
I definitely don't want someone that subscribes to pseudo science.
I want someone that respects the beliefs of others even if he doesn't share them, but I absolutely do not want any policy based on those beliefs.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Man is a primate.
Al, there is no species identified to be specifically the bridge between man and primates. I would agree that it is hard to not see the incredible similarities between the two, supporting evolution but.. there again there is no species that links the two.. never...
I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Man is a primate.
Al, there is no species identified to be specifically the bridge between man and primates. I would agree that it is hard to not see the incredible similarities between the two, supporting evolution but.. there again there is no species that links the two.. never...
Doing some research, yes they have not identified the last common ancestor of chimps and man. Kind of random luck involved in finding it. However at a certain point there is no evidence of either man or chimps but a bunch of species which appear to be common ancestors. This logically tells the story rather than basing a belief system based on not finding a needle in a haystack specific fossil. In other words. Not really necessary to find the last specific common ancestor when there are plenty older out there.
I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
Only if you are limited enough in your thinking that you require encyclopedic knowledge of the bible and an unshakable faith in God to have a basic sense of morality.
In fact it is not a skill at all. But it does speak to the person's character, and shows they have an established Northern coordinate for their moral compass.
I remember being in South Africa and this guy telling me Â
He didn't believe in evolution. I came home and researched it thinking it had to be a South African thing only to find there is actually an anti evolution museum in Kentucky. The fact that people don't believe in evolution is absolutely an affort on humanity. It's akin to someone professing they believe the earth is the center of the universe or the world is flat. And yes if someone is crazy enough to admit to not believing in evolution, i certainly would not trust their ability to reason the multitude of complex issues that will arise during a presidency.
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In fact it is not a skill at all. But it does speak to the person's character, and shows they have an established Northern coordinate for their moral compass.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
Only if you are limited enough in your thinking that you require encyclopedic knowledge of the bible and an unshakable faith in God to have a basic sense of morality.
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Don't the the majority of the voters feel that way? Left or right?
is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
Bill, let me help you understand what I believe is the primary reason for the fanatical craze for evolution from primordial soup to man. Many need to put their hat on something to convince themselves and others that there really is no intelligent design. So, they come up with half baked theories and trust that most people are not very inquisitive and rather gullible and also just like them, looking for any excuse to NOT believe.
so they throw this theory out there and it sells like hot cakes. I'm sure many in this camp couldn't care less about the veracity of this theory or not. It's good enough to let them live their lives as if they are in control of their lives and not some Intelligent Entity called God.
Dare they ask the pertinent question you asked-where did the primordial soup come from? Nevertheless, someone will come out with some crazy answer and the masses will all respond in one voice, "There it is......"
is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
Bill, let me help you understand what I believe is the primary reason for the fanatical craze for evolution from primordial soup to man. Many need to put their hat on something to convince themselves and others that there really is no intelligent design. So, they come up with half baked theories and trust that most people are not very inquisitive and rather gullible and also just like them, looking for any excuse to NOT believe.
so they throw this theory out there and it sells like hot cakes. I'm sure many in this camp couldn't care less about the veracity of this theory or not. It's good enough to let them live their lives as if they are in control of their lives and not some Intelligent Entity called God.
Dare they ask the pertinent question you asked-where did the primordial soup come from? Nevertheless, someone will come out with some crazy answer and the masses will all respond in one voice, "There it is......"
This sounds like the basis of an anti religion argument adjusted to turn it in the opposite direction.
It is astonishing to watch ignorant douchebaggery Â
On the part of Spock dismiss some of the finest minds in science of favor of a fucking ancient fairy tale and then have the balls to assert that it's science, not the fairy tale, that people use as a crutch for their pathetically inadequate minds.
In a just world, there would be way to arrange a steel cage match between ISIS and Spock's ilk - birds of a feather.
and the like have done a fantastic job in identifying very rare organisims throughout Earths Billions of years history...
But yet there is no shred of evidence of a missing link between primate and Man, of Mans few hundred thousand years on this planet..
A species so common to both primates and Man that they could have actually mated, "you know evolved". Save for Neanderthal, which are still considered human.
Listen I get common sense and science evolution and all that but isn't this debate created from common sense and science. Neither can provide a concrete bridge between Animal and Man
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Why is your response to these kind of questions always reflexively conservatively political? You're obviously not dim, and are very well versed in some subjects. Does politics really run your life to this extent?
Like the OP isn't political.....
Non-compo, all the way. You're unable to see that your response has nothing at all to do with my questions here. You are a classic example of a non-thinking, brain-dead political who is totally consumed with your "side," seeing anything that deviates from your meager views as a personal attack.
You are beneath contempt and are an embarrassment to thinking people everywhere. Take a gas pipe and do the world a favor.
between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Er, man is a primate.
Er, the term Primate is a relative of man, not like it means much in my point
Please tell me you have a better argument than that …. Â
You're right. Fred Phelps, David Koresh, and pedophile priests would all make exceptional presidents. Good point.
There will always be those that pervert and twist their chosen religions to achieve some ends or some personal gain (the whole Middle East is on fire right now because of that). There are many politicians that try to pass themselves off as people of faith, because they know how true people of faith are perceived. They are all users and not true people of faith, and that says something completely different about their character.
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Listen I get common sense and science evolution and all that but isn't this debate created from common sense and science. Neither can provide a concrete bridge between Animal and Man
Animal and man? Believing in some primordial soup magically evolving into a single cell creature capable of reproduction is a modern day fairy tale for the foolish.
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You're right. Fred Phelps, David Koresh, and pedophile priests would all make exceptional presidents. Good point.
There will always be those that pervert and twist their chosen religions to achieve some ends or some personal gain (the whole Middle East is on fire right now because of that). There are many politicians that try to pass themselves off as people of faith, because they know how true people of faith are perceived. They are all users and not true people of faith, and that says something completely different about their character.
So now you can judge who is a true person of faith? Do you do like a Scientology scan or something? How you can sit there and say that bible knowledge speaks to character while you readily admit how many frauds there are, and how many twist religion to their own needs and wants, boggles my mind. Religious belief does not equate to morality.
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Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
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He's welcome to it..it won't impact my vote.
I also disagree with the idea that a belief, even a whacky one, on one piece of science reflects whether or not they reject all established science or even any other piece of science.
This could easily get extrapolated to a candidate's view on global warming and other science issues. All those issues, and a person's view on them are, imo, independent of each other. And if I disagree with a candidate on their perception of global warming, it likely would not impact on how I view that person overall and, hence, my vote.
Hillary Clinton has intimated that there is a link between vaccines and autism. Should that disqualify her from being President? Does that indicate her views on evolution or any other part of science? I don't think so.
Not weighing the preponderance of scientific evidence in favor of evolution over a single book indicates a systematically poor ability to reason. That's an extremely frightening weakness for a president.
The comparison with Hillary espousing a link between vaccinations and autism is pretty poor. The Lancet only just recently retracted a study published decades ago finding a link. That wass far more evidence then there is for any alternative to evolution.
I guess you don't care that the evidence about vaccines was completely false and discredited?
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp is the closes DNA match to a Human
True, but the chimpanzee and humans are descendant from a common ancestor. Chimps did not evolve into humans.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp to man connection is comical enough, but imo, the primordial soup to man wins first place for absurdity.
I think we should ask if a presidential candidate prefers sex between Man or Chimp or both at the same time.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp is the closes DNA match to a Human
But since that's not the world we live in, then it's perfectly reasonable question to ask anyone who wants to hold high public office. It informs a lot of things including science and education policy as well as the politicians intellect or basic honesty.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp is the closes DNA match to a Human
True, but the chimpanzee and humans are descendant from a common ancestor. Chimps did not evolve into humans.
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp is the closes DNA match to a Human
True, but the chimpanzee and humans are descendant from a common ancestor. Chimps did not evolve into humans.
And that common ancestor is the missing link I mentioned
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp is the closes DNA match to a Human
The fossil evidence shows the common ancestor.
But since that's not the world we live in, then it's perfectly reasonable question to ask anyone who wants to hold high public office. It informs a lot of things including science and education policy as well as the politicians intellect or basic honesty.
Why would it be ridiculous?
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Man is not descended from chimps so that statement makes no sense.
The chimp to man connection is comical enough, but imo, the primordial soup to man wins first place for absurdity.
Haven't read much of the thread yet, but this.
I don't need a guy that agreed with me on everything. I need a guy that's going to be great at making the right decisions. If those decisions are faith based (unless it's a moral choice- and even then I'd rather it come from just being a good person rather than what thousands of year old book he reads ), he's not getting my votes.
I definitely don't want someone that subscribes to pseudo science.
I want someone that respects the beliefs of others even if he doesn't share them, but I absolutely do not want any policy based on those beliefs.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Man is a primate.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
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I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Man is a primate.
Al, there is no species identified to be specifically the bridge between man and primates. I would agree that it is hard to not see the incredible similarities between the two, supporting evolution but.. there again there is no species that links the two.. never...
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I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
Only if you are limited enough in your thinking that you require encyclopedic knowledge of the bible and an unshakable faith in God to have a basic sense of morality.
No. It doesn't speak to that at all.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Er, man is a primate.
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I don't really consider this issue when determining who I believe will be the better president, but it does tell me something about their knowledge of the Bible and their faith in God.
Vital skill set for the presidency there...
Could be if you believe a president should have a basic sense of morality.
Only if you are limited enough in your thinking that you require encyclopedic knowledge of the bible and an unshakable faith in God to have a basic sense of morality.
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Don't the the majority of the voters feel that way? Left or right?
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is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
Bill, let me help you understand what I believe is the primary reason for the fanatical craze for evolution from primordial soup to man. Many need to put their hat on something to convince themselves and others that there really is no intelligent design. So, they come up with half baked theories and trust that most people are not very inquisitive and rather gullible and also just like them, looking for any excuse to NOT believe.
so they throw this theory out there and it sells like hot cakes. I'm sure many in this camp couldn't care less about the veracity of this theory or not. It's good enough to let them live their lives as if they are in control of their lives and not some Intelligent Entity called God.
Dare they ask the pertinent question you asked-where did the primordial soup come from? Nevertheless, someone will come out with some crazy answer and the masses will all respond in one voice, "There it is......"
You're right. Fred Phelps, David Koresh, and pedophile priests would all make exceptional presidents. Good point.
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is relevant to me whether a candidate accepts established science.
Established science? Someone has proof that we developed from primordial ooze? And if we did, where did the ooze come from? Have we been able to replicate the start of our development? And I'm both a person of science and not particularly religious.
Bill, let me help you understand what I believe is the primary reason for the fanatical craze for evolution from primordial soup to man. Many need to put their hat on something to convince themselves and others that there really is no intelligent design. So, they come up with half baked theories and trust that most people are not very inquisitive and rather gullible and also just like them, looking for any excuse to NOT believe.
so they throw this theory out there and it sells like hot cakes. I'm sure many in this camp couldn't care less about the veracity of this theory or not. It's good enough to let them live their lives as if they are in control of their lives and not some Intelligent Entity called God.
Dare they ask the pertinent question you asked-where did the primordial soup come from? Nevertheless, someone will come out with some crazy answer and the masses will all respond in one voice, "There it is......"
In a just world, there would be way to arrange a steel cage match between ISIS and Spock's ilk - birds of a feather.
But yet there is no shred of evidence of a missing link between primate and Man, of Mans few hundred thousand years on this planet..
A species so common to both primates and Man that they could have actually mated, "you know evolved". Save for Neanderthal, which are still considered human.
Listen I get common sense and science evolution and all that but isn't this debate created from common sense and science. Neither can provide a concrete bridge between Animal and Man
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if they REALLY ducked sniper fire.
Why is your response to these kind of questions always reflexively conservatively political? You're obviously not dim, and are very well versed in some subjects. Does politics really run your life to this extent?
Like the OP isn't political.....
Non-compo, all the way. You're unable to see that your response has nothing at all to do with my questions here. You are a classic example of a non-thinking, brain-dead political who is totally consumed with your "side," seeing anything that deviates from your meager views as a personal attack.
You are beneath contempt and are an embarrassment to thinking people everywhere. Take a gas pipe and do the world a favor.
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between Man and Chimp.... but there is never douche-baggery missing from BBI...
Hey chef, so you believe man evolved from ape.
i didn't know you were a man of faith as I am too. I guess the only difference between us is I believe in God while you believe in faulty and erroneous science. (Don't misquote me here- science is a good thing, if it is good science. Not all science is good due to biases and other reasons.)
Don't know where you got this from but I am a man of faith.. There has been no specific link between Man and Primates...
Er, man is a primate.
There will always be those that pervert and twist their chosen religions to achieve some ends or some personal gain (the whole Middle East is on fire right now because of that). There are many politicians that try to pass themselves off as people of faith, because they know how true people of faith are perceived. They are all users and not true people of faith, and that says something completely different about their character.
Listen I get common sense and science evolution and all that but isn't this debate created from common sense and science. Neither can provide a concrete bridge between Animal and Man
Animal and man? Believing in some primordial soup magically evolving into a single cell creature capable of reproduction is a modern day fairy tale for the foolish.
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You're right. Fred Phelps, David Koresh, and pedophile priests would all make exceptional presidents. Good point.
There will always be those that pervert and twist their chosen religions to achieve some ends or some personal gain (the whole Middle East is on fire right now because of that). There are many politicians that try to pass themselves off as people of faith, because they know how true people of faith are perceived. They are all users and not true people of faith, and that says something completely different about their character.
So now you can judge who is a true person of faith? Do you do like a Scientology scan or something? How you can sit there and say that bible knowledge speaks to character while you readily admit how many frauds there are, and how many twist religion to their own needs and wants, boggles my mind. Religious belief does not equate to morality.
Primates are an order of mammals that include very primitive animals called prosimians, as well as monkeys, apes, and humans.
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