Well I at least respect you for not ducking the question. I thought for sure you would bypass it. I was going to be really annoying and just keep posting it.
I don't "duck" semi-rational questions, I may miss a few due to logistics.
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I am shocked that in this day and age you can believe even half of what the bible has in it.
Sir you believe stupid atoms can create algorithmic cybernetic coding and decoding schemes or ink molecules authoring books and the Universe Creating Itself from Nothing (among other numerous basic reasoning atrocities).
Then you have the audacity to critique what others believe?
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You can't speak about any kind of science and then say the bible has it right.
How so....?
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If so please explain Noah's Arc... 2 of each species all on one boat during a world flood that killed everything not on the boat.
It's Noah's Ark, not "Arc"...he wasn't welding. He didn't take 2 of every "Species". "Species" was a term coined a couple thousand years later (Aristotle coined it I think), it's a man-made construct. It has @ least 50 different definitions just over the past 80 years and 3 currently.
The Bile uses the term "KIND"....7 pairs of clean and 2 pair of every unclean boarded the Ark
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No person in the world knowing, how many species we have, how impossible it would be to build up each species with only 2 of them afterwards.
As I said above, you have a Rubber Ruler with "Species" to begin with. Also, a Large Percentage of current "Species" are found in the OCEAN so you can subtract them. Subtract Viruses and Bacteria. Your numbers are dwindling @ light speed.
As mentioned previously, there's alot of "Variability" built into DNA to begin with. For Eukaryotes, some Genes can "CODE" for over 3,000 different Proteins (SEE: Splicing). In the Fruit Fly (Dscam), a single gene can CODE for over 38,000 different Proteins. DNA contains CODES within CODES within Millions of Sub-Folders of CODES...it's quite mind-boggling.
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As for the other things you wrote... You like to use terms loosely when they suit you, but then are quick to point out in others it isn't used correctly.
I don't think so. For Instance....?
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Software: the programs used to direct the operation of a computer, as well as documentation giving instructions on how to use them.
I didn't say "Computer" I said Software, sir. The Subject Matter Expert Dr. Craig Venter PhD Genetics (NIH, Celera Genomics) said it was "Interchangeable" with Computer Software. Email and Lecture him lol.
You're using a "CODE" ----and Software (They're Mutually Inclusive) right now! It's called the English Language it's Semiotic. Does the word with the letters CAT = a Cat? lol. When you're playing with one, is "CAT" spelled out on it's fur? It's just a Pre-Arranged/Agreed Upon convention of "SYMBOLS" (Alphabet---CODE) for communication and meaning. Go to Germany and tell someone you have a "gift" for them.... and watch them run to the nearest Polizei Station or Konk you over the head...it means "POISON"; They have a different "CODE"---Software.
Same Concept with DNA...it's a Language.
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DNA is not a software or code that has been programmed.
Are you serious? You post this same nonsense again after I just drug this through the mud? Go ahead and drag yourself out of 19th Century Science and come join us.
So the Genetic CODE is not a CODE, eh? Define Obtuse...?
Here's a Test, stop by a Biochemistry Department or a Genetics Lab get everyone's attention and say this out loud with some vigor. After they stop Belly Laughing, don't be surprised when Security shows up. Go ahead and try this...report back, when you get released.
Can I offer some advice and to 99% of the folks posting. Educate yourself before speaking with authority on subjects.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."--- Abraham Lincoln
Take your "God created the genetic code, and everyone fit on the Ark" idea, and do this:
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Stop by a Biochemistry Department or a Genetics Lab get everyone's attention and say this out loud with some vigor. After they stop Belly Laughing, don't be surprised when Security shows up. Go ahead and try this...report back, when you get released.
So who gets the bigger belly laughs, or the longer time in a padded cell?
He doesn't understand how the science works, therefore godidit.
There's nothing he's posted that actually refutes anything that's been demonstrated by established science, just attempts to poke holes. This is called anomaly hunting and is the hallmark of conspiracy theorist thinking.
A useful term for all the blithering shite he's posted is PRATT. Previously Refuted A Thousand Times.
luckly, there are very few -if any- people that want to rely on that sort of thing for faith.
There is no need for humans to totally reconcile belief with science, it is apples and oranges, to suggest so is another classic BBI false dichotomy:
However, I still enjoyed what you did there and laughed ought loud.
I actually think belief in the creator and science reconcile quite well as long as you recognize what Bill2 posted re:men, their bias, and translation issues over thousands of years. It's when you decide to take it literally that you have problems (and ironically, even the fundies go through all sorts o mental contortions to not have to actually follow the parts they don't like- much like the mental contortions you're reading coming from Spock and Enoch).
Anyway- I don't really care what your beliefs are as long as you're not pushing them on me, filling my kid's head's with tales of magic, trying to teach them said magic in a public classroom, or denying or infringing on the rights of others.
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Well I at least respect you for not ducking the question. I thought for sure you would bypass it. I was going to be really annoying and just keep posting it.
I don't "duck" semi-rational questions, I may miss a few due to logistics.
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I am shocked that in this day and age you can believe even half of what the bible has in it.
Sir you believe stupid atoms can create algorithmic cybernetic coding and decoding schemes or ink molecules authoring books and the Universe Creating Itself from Nothing (among other numerous basic reasoning atrocities).
Then you have the audacity to critique what others believe?
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You can't speak about any kind of science and then say the bible has it right.
How so....?
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If so please explain Noah's Arc... 2 of each species all on one boat during a world flood that killed everything not on the boat.
It's Noah's Ark, not "Arc"...he wasn't welding. He didn't take 2 of every "Species". "Species" was a term coined a couple thousand years later (Aristotle coined it I think), it's a man-made construct. It has @ least 50 different definitions just over the past 80 years and 3 currently.
The Bile uses the term "KIND"....7 pairs of clean and 2 pair of every unclean boarded the Ark
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No person in the world knowing, how many species we have, how impossible it would be to build up each species with only 2 of them afterwards.
As I said above, you have a Rubber Ruler with "Species" to begin with. Also, a Large Percentage of current "Species" are found in the OCEAN so you can subtract them. Subtract Viruses and Bacteria. Your numbers are dwindling @ light speed.
As mentioned previously, there's alot of "Variability" built into DNA to begin with. For Eukaryotes, some Genes can "CODE" for over 3,000 different Proteins (SEE: Splicing). In the Fruit Fly (Dscam), a single gene can CODE for over 38,000 different Proteins. DNA contains CODES within CODES within Millions of Sub-Folders of CODES...it's quite mind-boggling.
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As for the other things you wrote... You like to use terms loosely when they suit you, but then are quick to point out in others it isn't used correctly.
I don't think so. For Instance....?
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Software: the programs used to direct the operation of a computer, as well as documentation giving instructions on how to use them.
I didn't say "Computer" I said Software, sir. The Subject Matter Expert Dr. Craig Venter PhD Genetics (NIH, Celera Genomics) said it was "Interchangeable" with Computer Software. Email and Lecture him lol.
You're using a "CODE" ----and Software (They're Mutually Inclusive) right now! It's called the English Language it's Semiotic. Does the word with the letters CAT = a Cat? lol. When you're playing with one, is "CAT" spelled out on it's fur? It's just a Pre-Arranged/Agreed Upon convention of "SYMBOLS" (Alphabet---CODE) for communication and meaning. Go to Germany and tell someone you have a "gift" for them.... and watch them run to the nearest Polizei Station or Konk you over the head...it means "POISON"; They have a different "CODE"---Software.
Same Concept with DNA...it's a Language.
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DNA is not a software or code that has been programmed.
Are you serious? You post this same nonsense again after I just drug this through the mud? Go ahead and drag yourself out of 19th Century Science and come join us.
So the Genetic CODE is not a CODE, eh? Define Obtuse...?
Here's a Test, stop by a Biochemistry Department or a Genetics Lab get everyone's attention and say this out loud with some vigor. After they stop Belly Laughing, don't be surprised when Security shows up. Go ahead and try this...report back, when you get released.
Can I offer some advice and to 99% of the folks posting. Educate yourself before speaking with authority on subjects.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."--- Abraham Lincoln
regards
Of course you don't understand what I am saying. First I have never said I believed in evolution and definitely know the Bible in a made up fairytale. You don't know what I believe in. I believe that you can't prove there is a God and that is a fact. Things in the bible are impossible and why you think dumb atoms which isn't the only other option is a much worse option then some all power software coding programmer chilling in the sky as much more believable is beyond me. You can't dispute that you have proof God exists and I have already said you can't prove evolution. However evolution makes a lot more sense. Even you with your... Arc Ark who cares you know what I meant much like I know when you wrote "Bile" I know you meant BIBLE... Even with your Ark story you say there are lots of variables written into DNA so you can try and explain the lack of feasibility of that story. So Lions, Tigers, and Bears all just jumped on the boat and were like we cool. Then those bears for example as you put it hold many variables that allowed them to then what? Choose what kind of bear babies they could make? You can't expect people to find that a viable argument. 2 Grizzly bears are not going to make a freakin Polar bear.
When I say it isn't code I mean from the terms you are applying it with software. It isn't some software code and language isn't a code either. Not in the sense you want to use it. You can break many things down to trying and make them fit. You are trying to generic everything down because when it is complex nothing you say makes any sense. Where do you get this stuff from? If you wanted to say it is our genetic coding ok I get that. You want to say God created our genetic coding you can't prove that, but at least that would make more sense then God was a software programmer writing code. That DNA is code and God is writing the programs out for it. That is just dumb to use more than just as an example, but has been your repeated belief as fact. I mean it is good to know that you think of God as nothing more than a software coder. I am sure some programmers will find their jobs much more important around you.
The fact you want to argue with me the word species which is widely used rather than explain how you can fit all of that on a freaking boat speaks volumes. That is what you do which is deflect. Oh well take away sea animals (guess God didn't hate the sea animals), virus, etc and now it is hardly nothing. And you know a House fly can just turn into a fruit fly if it concentrates really hard! So what like 12 animals in your boat? Lets just do basic African animals where there are over 1100 mammals alone. That is just African, just mammals. Not including the thousands and thousands of other animals, insects, birds, etc. Elephants for example, Hippos, Rhinos, etc etc etc... You want to say Noah really got all those African mammals over 1100 times 2 because he brought a male and female on a wood boat he built. Now to build a boat that big just for the African animals out of wood... How many years would that take and how big would it have to be to hold the size and weight of just the African mammals do you think? Before you answer that if you are going to answer that Noah started building the boat at 480 yards old and finished at 600 years old you then believe in vampires or something. I mean that whole fairytale of this story is a joke to try and pass off as an actual possibility. It would be like me saying hey Enoch I wrote in a book I jumped 497 feet straight up in the air when I was 253 years old while juggling a Rabbit, a Walrus, and chainsaw... Sadly if that was in the bible you would be here trying to say oh yes it is true. This is just one of the extremely horrible stories that you want to pass off as possible. It isn't and it doesn't take a scientist to know that. It just takes common sense.
although, there is already plenty of bias in schools today -on other subjects- , sometimes through very selective teaching of history for example, you could call it 'bias by omission', and at times it does get to the point of rights infringements, but that is for another thread.
regarding the evolution / faith part of the discourse you could do it in "social studies" instead of science class, and as long as the educator if careful to represent that there are a variety of views, I think kids are smarter and more sceptical than we think, not worried.
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luckly, there are very few -if any- people that want to rely on that sort of thing for faith.
There is no need for humans to totally reconcile belief with science, it is apples and oranges, to suggest so is another classic BBI false dichotomy:
However, I still enjoyed what you did there and laughed ought loud.
I actually think belief in the creator and science reconcile quite well as long as you recognize what Bill2 posted re:men, their bias, and translation issues over thousands of years. It's when you decide to take it literally that you have problems (and ironically, even the fundies go through all sorts o mental contortions to not have to actually follow the parts they don't like- much like the mental contortions you're reading coming from Spock and Enoch).
Anyway- I don't really care what your beliefs are as long as you're not pushing them on me, filling my kid's head's with tales of magic, trying to teach them said magic in a public classroom, or denying or infringing on the rights of others. ''-
the analogy of genetic code to computer code, who has time for this stuff???
here is a short pull out from a faith based web site that has pages and pages on this. I have zero idea here, but even they say that the analogy has limits (referenced site below in text):
"In a general sense, a comparison can be drawn between DNA and the computer memory. Functions are stored in DNA similar to the way functions are stored in computer memory. Both DNA and computer memory have “home addresses” for each function. In many respects such an analogy is deficient, for example because DNA plays a role in the production of cells and because DNA, for "real-time" processing, first has to create copies of certain parts of a chain (RNA) which then are used for the real-time processing itself. Another example is the limited number of addresses (65.000) of the computer in the example, compared to the 220.000.000 gene pairs in the first chromosome of the human DNA alone! That means 3300 times as many addresses! And of course those gene pairs are far more complex and diverse than a memory address in a computer; altogether the base pairs in the human genome contain more than 23 billion DNA base pairs! -
See more at: http://www.allaboutcreation.org/dna-code.htm#sthash.IoVpS05k.dpuf""
For getting him into this mess where no one is buying his shit. I'm sure it's a bit different conversing with people who aren't blithering morons unlike that dumbass website that they made their serendipitous connection.
RE: I bet Enoch is bitch slapping Spock right now Â
For getting him into this mess where no one is buying his shit. I'm sure it's a bit different conversing with people who aren't blithering morons unlike that dumbass website that they made their serendipitous connection.
I think you're misreading that. He doesn't care if people buy his shit. The arrogance and narcissism mean that he knows he's right and we're just too stupid to realize it.
He simply cannot show himself here again without facing the legendary embarrassment he has brought on himself in this thread.
It's over for Spock. He'll eventually be back under a different handle, but once he's sniffed out, this thread will quickly be linked, and it will start all over again for him.
No more "my Habs" in the spring. No more "my Dodgers" talk in September and early October.
This god of theirs certainly seems ok with the free range stupid. That would allow me the slack I need to explain a past incident or two.
I can see some advantages. " it was not me...my software code made me do it. What you don't believe in SOFTWARE CODE? I don't know what to tell you. You are not looking at the right Internet forums. How else do you think the crack and the blondes got in here?"
I can't help it...it's the way the Code is written.
You think I am talking nonsense?
Well you are wrong. First you need to stop yelling about the blondes and read the Bible. Then I'll bring in the Enoch to get you to understand the rest.
Yes...that's right...it's like that acid trip when Bob keep yelling "it's like one big software program dude"
- A man in the sky who sees, hears, makes, knows everything. Created humans in own image
- Lightning hit a shit puddle at the exact right moment creating life on Earth against astronomical odds
- Aliens came down and spiked that shitpuddle to give us the fuel to create life
The 3rd one's looking pretty good right now
All I see is life-destroying alien civilizations in movies, maybe there are life-creating aliens out there who plant their seeds across the galaxies. So far from us in space and time but not in terms of genetic code.
Enoch, you seem to talk about how we needed a programmer to create that code. Well, I think an organic form like an alien being from another galaxy is a more likely "creator of the code" for Earth than an omnipresent being that controls all of us.
Also schnitz, Newtown Truthers are worse than 9/11 Truthers.
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
I got to say Intelligent Design/ Creationism has lost the Public Relations battle here. I think people who might of been on the fence read Spock & Enoch and decided no way do I want to seen like those 2. So the Christian Soldiers managed to win converts to the other side. Jesus is pissed, more lost souls
I would love to know which "college" awards degrees Â
such that the only thing you can parrot is "stupid atoms" and then argue about how correlation /= causation, and then state because DNA is like a code, the correlation with computer programmers to a higher power must be causation.
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
Spock out
PS what is the Sandy Hook thing all about?
Delusional
I can't believe they're real people.
RE: Spock's latest post over at Christian Mingle Â
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
Spock out
PS what is the Sandy Hook thing all about?
Delusional
That's as close as Spock gets to a "thanks for nothing". He saw what happened and bailed on the thread....
I don't "duck" semi-rational questions, I may miss a few due to logistics.
Sir you believe stupid atoms can create algorithmic cybernetic coding and decoding schemes or ink molecules authoring books and the Universe Creating Itself from Nothing (among other numerous basic reasoning atrocities).
Then you have the audacity to critique what others believe?
How so....?
It's Noah's Ark, not "Arc"...he wasn't welding. He didn't take 2 of every "Species". "Species" was a term coined a couple thousand years later (Aristotle coined it I think), it's a man-made construct. It has @ least 50 different definitions just over the past 80 years and 3 currently.
The Bile uses the term "KIND"....7 pairs of clean and 2 pair of every unclean boarded the Ark
As I said above, you have a Rubber Ruler with "Species" to begin with. Also, a Large Percentage of current "Species" are found in the OCEAN so you can subtract them. Subtract Viruses and Bacteria. Your numbers are dwindling @ light speed.
As mentioned previously, there's alot of "Variability" built into DNA to begin with. For Eukaryotes, some Genes can "CODE" for over 3,000 different Proteins (SEE: Splicing). In the Fruit Fly (Dscam), a single gene can CODE for over 38,000 different Proteins. DNA contains CODES within CODES within Millions of Sub-Folders of CODES...it's quite mind-boggling.
I don't think so. For Instance....?
I didn't say "Computer" I said Software, sir. The Subject Matter Expert Dr. Craig Venter PhD Genetics (NIH, Celera Genomics) said it was "Interchangeable" with Computer Software. Email and Lecture him lol.
You're using a "CODE" ----and Software (They're Mutually Inclusive) right now! It's called the English Language it's Semiotic. Does the word with the letters CAT = a Cat? lol. When you're playing with one, is "CAT" spelled out on it's fur? It's just a Pre-Arranged/Agreed Upon convention of "SYMBOLS" (Alphabet---CODE) for communication and meaning. Go to Germany and tell someone you have a "gift" for them.... and watch them run to the nearest Polizei Station or Konk you over the head...it means "POISON"; They have a different "CODE"---Software.
Same Concept with DNA...it's a Language.
Are you serious? You post this same nonsense again after I just drug this through the mud? Go ahead and drag yourself out of 19th Century Science and come join us.
So the Genetic CODE is not a CODE, eh? Define Obtuse...?
Here's a Test, stop by a Biochemistry Department or a Genetics Lab get everyone's attention and say this out loud with some vigor. After they stop Belly Laughing, don't be surprised when Security shows up. Go ahead and try this...report back, when you get released.
Can I offer some advice and to 99% of the folks posting. Educate yourself before speaking with authority on subjects.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."--- Abraham Lincoln
regards
Since DNA is LIKE code it is LIKE software.
Software is written by humans.
God must have written DNA.
This is the argument of a child.
I think I can do better.
Birds are like planes, they can fly.
Birds must be planes.
Humans pilot planes.
God pilots birds!
We must cease the killing and consumption of gods commuter aircraft immediately!
Naked shorts?
Agreed - he really penetrated the hard issues.
So who gets the bigger belly laughs, or the longer time in a padded cell?
There is no need for humans to totally reconcile belief with science, it is apples and oranges, to suggest so is another classic BBI false dichotomy:
However, I still enjoyed what you did there and laughed ought loud.
He doesn't understand how the science works, therefore godidit.
There's nothing he's posted that actually refutes anything that's been demonstrated by established science, just attempts to poke holes. This is called anomaly hunting and is the hallmark of conspiracy theorist thinking.
A useful term for all the blithering shite he's posted is PRATT. Previously Refuted A Thousand Times.
Good advice, you should follow it.
[quote]Since DNA is LIKE code it is LIKE software.
Factually Incorrect. DNA is not "Like" a CODE it is a "CODE", it's called the Genetic "CODE"---Heard of it? ....
And...it's not "LIKE" Software it is SOFTWARE (CODE and Software are Mutually Inclusive Terms)...
"We are SOFTWARE Driven Machines like every other Biological Species on this Planet".
Craig Venter PhD Geneticist (NIH, Celera Genomics)
Savvy?
"CODE"---Software is Created by an Intelligent Agent, every single time, Without Exception.
DNA---CODE/INFORMATION/SOFTWARE is the sine qua non of LIFE.
Therefore GOD.
The "meaning" can be deduced by a "Child".
Birds are like planes, they can fly.
Birds must be planes.
Humans pilot planes.
God pilots birds!
Seek Assistance Immediately
There is no need for humans to totally reconcile belief with science, it is apples and oranges, to suggest so is another classic BBI false dichotomy:
However, I still enjoyed what you did there and laughed ought loud.
I actually think belief in the creator and science reconcile quite well as long as you recognize what Bill2 posted re:men, their bias, and translation issues over thousands of years. It's when you decide to take it literally that you have problems (and ironically, even the fundies go through all sorts o mental contortions to not have to actually follow the parts they don't like- much like the mental contortions you're reading coming from Spock and Enoch).
Anyway- I don't really care what your beliefs are as long as you're not pushing them on me, filling my kid's head's with tales of magic, trying to teach them said magic in a public classroom, or denying or infringing on the rights of others.
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Well I at least respect you for not ducking the question. I thought for sure you would bypass it. I was going to be really annoying and just keep posting it.
I don't "duck" semi-rational questions, I may miss a few due to logistics.
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I am shocked that in this day and age you can believe even half of what the bible has in it.
Sir you believe stupid atoms can create algorithmic cybernetic coding and decoding schemes or ink molecules authoring books and the Universe Creating Itself from Nothing (among other numerous basic reasoning atrocities).
Then you have the audacity to critique what others believe?
Quote:
You can't speak about any kind of science and then say the bible has it right.
How so....?
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If so please explain Noah's Arc... 2 of each species all on one boat during a world flood that killed everything not on the boat.
It's Noah's Ark, not "Arc"...he wasn't welding. He didn't take 2 of every "Species". "Species" was a term coined a couple thousand years later (Aristotle coined it I think), it's a man-made construct. It has @ least 50 different definitions just over the past 80 years and 3 currently.
The Bile uses the term "KIND"....7 pairs of clean and 2 pair of every unclean boarded the Ark
Quote:
No person in the world knowing, how many species we have, how impossible it would be to build up each species with only 2 of them afterwards.
As I said above, you have a Rubber Ruler with "Species" to begin with. Also, a Large Percentage of current "Species" are found in the OCEAN so you can subtract them. Subtract Viruses and Bacteria. Your numbers are dwindling @ light speed.
As mentioned previously, there's alot of "Variability" built into DNA to begin with. For Eukaryotes, some Genes can "CODE" for over 3,000 different Proteins (SEE: Splicing). In the Fruit Fly (Dscam), a single gene can CODE for over 38,000 different Proteins. DNA contains CODES within CODES within Millions of Sub-Folders of CODES...it's quite mind-boggling.
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As for the other things you wrote... You like to use terms loosely when they suit you, but then are quick to point out in others it isn't used correctly.
I don't think so. For Instance....?
Quote:
Software: the programs used to direct the operation of a computer, as well as documentation giving instructions on how to use them.
I didn't say "Computer" I said Software, sir. The Subject Matter Expert Dr. Craig Venter PhD Genetics (NIH, Celera Genomics) said it was "Interchangeable" with Computer Software. Email and Lecture him lol.
You're using a "CODE" ----and Software (They're Mutually Inclusive) right now! It's called the English Language it's Semiotic. Does the word with the letters CAT = a Cat? lol. When you're playing with one, is "CAT" spelled out on it's fur? It's just a Pre-Arranged/Agreed Upon convention of "SYMBOLS" (Alphabet---CODE) for communication and meaning. Go to Germany and tell someone you have a "gift" for them.... and watch them run to the nearest Polizei Station or Konk you over the head...it means "POISON"; They have a different "CODE"---Software.
Same Concept with DNA...it's a Language.
Quote:
DNA is not a software or code that has been programmed.
Are you serious? You post this same nonsense again after I just drug this through the mud? Go ahead and drag yourself out of 19th Century Science and come join us.
So the Genetic CODE is not a CODE, eh? Define Obtuse...?
Here's a Test, stop by a Biochemistry Department or a Genetics Lab get everyone's attention and say this out loud with some vigor. After they stop Belly Laughing, don't be surprised when Security shows up. Go ahead and try this...report back, when you get released.
Can I offer some advice and to 99% of the folks posting. Educate yourself before speaking with authority on subjects.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."--- Abraham Lincoln
regards
Of course you don't understand what I am saying. First I have never said I believed in evolution and definitely know the Bible in a made up fairytale. You don't know what I believe in. I believe that you can't prove there is a God and that is a fact. Things in the bible are impossible and why you think dumb atoms which isn't the only other option is a much worse option then some all power software coding programmer chilling in the sky as much more believable is beyond me. You can't dispute that you have proof God exists and I have already said you can't prove evolution. However evolution makes a lot more sense. Even you with your... Arc Ark who cares you know what I meant much like I know when you wrote "Bile" I know you meant BIBLE... Even with your Ark story you say there are lots of variables written into DNA so you can try and explain the lack of feasibility of that story. So Lions, Tigers, and Bears all just jumped on the boat and were like we cool. Then those bears for example as you put it hold many variables that allowed them to then what? Choose what kind of bear babies they could make? You can't expect people to find that a viable argument. 2 Grizzly bears are not going to make a freakin Polar bear.
When I say it isn't code I mean from the terms you are applying it with software. It isn't some software code and language isn't a code either. Not in the sense you want to use it. You can break many things down to trying and make them fit. You are trying to generic everything down because when it is complex nothing you say makes any sense. Where do you get this stuff from? If you wanted to say it is our genetic coding ok I get that. You want to say God created our genetic coding you can't prove that, but at least that would make more sense then God was a software programmer writing code. That DNA is code and God is writing the programs out for it. That is just dumb to use more than just as an example, but has been your repeated belief as fact. I mean it is good to know that you think of God as nothing more than a software coder. I am sure some programmers will find their jobs much more important around you.
The fact you want to argue with me the word species which is widely used rather than explain how you can fit all of that on a freaking boat speaks volumes. That is what you do which is deflect. Oh well take away sea animals (guess God didn't hate the sea animals), virus, etc and now it is hardly nothing. And you know a House fly can just turn into a fruit fly if it concentrates really hard! So what like 12 animals in your boat? Lets just do basic African animals where there are over 1100 mammals alone. That is just African, just mammals. Not including the thousands and thousands of other animals, insects, birds, etc. Elephants for example, Hippos, Rhinos, etc etc etc... You want to say Noah really got all those African mammals over 1100 times 2 because he brought a male and female on a wood boat he built. Now to build a boat that big just for the African animals out of wood... How many years would that take and how big would it have to be to hold the size and weight of just the African mammals do you think? Before you answer that if you are going to answer that Noah started building the boat at 480 yards old and finished at 600 years old you then believe in vampires or something. I mean that whole fairytale of this story is a joke to try and pass off as an actual possibility. It would be like me saying hey Enoch I wrote in a book I jumped 497 feet straight up in the air when I was 253 years old while juggling a Rabbit, a Walrus, and chainsaw... Sadly if that was in the bible you would be here trying to say oh yes it is true. This is just one of the extremely horrible stories that you want to pass off as possible. It isn't and it doesn't take a scientist to know that. It just takes common sense.
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So basically the argument for a creator is:
[quote]Since DNA is LIKE code it is LIKE software.
Factually Incorrect. DNA is not "Like" a CODE it is a "CODE", it's called the Genetic "CODE"---Heard of it? ....
And...it's not "LIKE" Software it is SOFTWARE (CODE and Software are Mutually Inclusive Terms)...
"We are SOFTWARE Driven Machines like every other Biological Species on this Planet".
Craig Venter PhD Geneticist (NIH, Celera Genomics)
Savvy?
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Software is written by humans.God must have written DNA.
"CODE"---Software is Created by an Intelligent Agent, every single time, Without Exception.
DNA---CODE/INFORMATION/SOFTWARE is the sine qua non of LIFE.
Therefore GOD.
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This is the argument of a child.
The "meaning" can be deduced by a "Child".
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I think I can do better.
Birds are like planes, they can fly.
Birds must be planes.
Humans pilot planes.
God pilots birds!
Seek Assistance Immediately
Again, it's the logic of a child. I don't expect you to see it.
regarding the evolution / faith part of the discourse you could do it in "social studies" instead of science class, and as long as the educator if careful to represent that there are a variety of views, I think kids are smarter and more sceptical than we think, not worried.
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''RE: very well done and funny cam
Cam in MO : 8:46 pm : link : reply
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luckly, there are very few -if any- people that want to rely on that sort of thing for faith.
There is no need for humans to totally reconcile belief with science, it is apples and oranges, to suggest so is another classic BBI false dichotomy:
However, I still enjoyed what you did there and laughed ought loud.
I actually think belief in the creator and science reconcile quite well as long as you recognize what Bill2 posted re:men, their bias, and translation issues over thousands of years. It's when you decide to take it literally that you have problems (and ironically, even the fundies go through all sorts o mental contortions to not have to actually follow the parts they don't like- much like the mental contortions you're reading coming from Spock and Enoch).
Anyway- I don't really care what your beliefs are as long as you're not pushing them on me, filling my kid's head's with tales of magic, trying to teach them said magic in a public classroom, or denying or infringing on the rights of others. ''-
here is a short pull out from a faith based web site that has pages and pages on this. I have zero idea here, but even they say that the analogy has limits (referenced site below in text):
"In a general sense, a comparison can be drawn between DNA and the computer memory. Functions are stored in DNA similar to the way functions are stored in computer memory. Both DNA and computer memory have “home addresses” for each function. In many respects such an analogy is deficient, for example because DNA plays a role in the production of cells and because DNA, for "real-time" processing, first has to create copies of certain parts of a chain (RNA) which then are used for the real-time processing itself. Another example is the limited number of addresses (65.000) of the computer in the example, compared to the 220.000.000 gene pairs in the first chromosome of the human DNA alone! That means 3300 times as many addresses! And of course those gene pairs are far more complex and diverse than a memory address in a computer; altogether the base pairs in the human genome contain more than 23 billion DNA base pairs! -
See more at: http://www.allaboutcreation.org/dna-code.htm#sthash.IoVpS05k.dpuf""
Hopefully it follows him on here for another 10 years.
The Rich Houstons of Christian Mingle?
I think you're misreading that. He doesn't care if people buy his shit. The arrogance and narcissism mean that he knows he's right and we're just too stupid to realize it.
How sickening.
This other guy...did not help Spock.
The only thing more reprehensible than a Newtown Truther is a 9-11 Truther. That was Spock's idea of a "bulldog"???
It's over for Spock. He'll eventually be back under a different handle, but once he's sniffed out, this thread will quickly be linked, and it will start all over again for him.
No more "my Habs" in the spring. No more "my Dodgers" talk in September and early October.
Spock is finished here.
How sickening.
This other guy...did not help Spock.
The only thing more reprehensible than a Newtown Truther is a 9-11 Truther. That was Spock's idea of a "bulldog"???
Am I on your ignore list? WTF?!?
I can see some advantages. " it was not me...my software code made me do it. What you don't believe in SOFTWARE CODE? I don't know what to tell you. You are not looking at the right Internet forums. How else do you think the crack and the blondes got in here?"
Where can I learn more?
I can't help it...it's the way the Code is written.
You think I am talking nonsense?
Well you are wrong. First you need to stop yelling about the blondes and read the Bible. Then I'll bring in the Enoch to get you to understand the rest.
Yes...that's right...it's like that acid trip when Bob keep yelling "it's like one big software program dude"
I'm the victim here. I didn't write the Code.
You're going to burn
Stop oppressing me
War on my beliefs
where is your evidence?
Achoo! It's dose dam chromasobes.
- Lightning hit a shit puddle at the exact right moment creating life on Earth against astronomical odds
- Aliens came down and spiked that shitpuddle to give us the fuel to create life
The 3rd one's looking pretty good right now
All I see is life-destroying alien civilizations in movies, maybe there are life-creating aliens out there who plant their seeds across the galaxies. So far from us in space and time but not in terms of genetic code.
Enoch, you seem to talk about how we needed a programmer to create that code. Well, I think an organic form like an alien being from another galaxy is a more likely "creator of the code" for Earth than an omnipresent being that controls all of us.
Also schnitz, Newtown Truthers are worse than 9/11 Truthers.
What a truly amazing thread. I'm not sure if it's a good or a bad one, but it sure as hell is something.
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
Spock out
PS what is the Sandy Hook thing all about?
Delusional
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OMG, Enoch!
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
Spock out
PS what is the Sandy Hook thing all about?
Delusional
I can't believe they're real people.
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OMG, Enoch!
Wow, what just happened there? I knew you were a Bulldog in the way you could argue issues, but you managed to make me look kind and gentle compared to you. Ha
I guess they didn't appreciate your "this doesn't pass the test as science" argument. Oh well.......
Anyhow, I was criticized for not talking enough science, which admittedly is not my area of expertise, so I brought you in knowing you have several biology degrees and have plenty of time on your hand being retired. But I had no idea it would turn out this way. I guess they don't want to talk YOUR SCIENCE.
I don't see how I could add anything to that conversation so I might as well avoid it. All they want to talk about with me is how much I hate Jews. I'm weary of that dialogue. Let them think what they want.
I apologize for getting you involved. I'm not sure you are enjoying the conversation. I was really hoping to read some good scientific debate like Bill Nye vs. I forgot his name, but it never did happen. Thanks for trying. I owe you....I think.
Spock out
PS what is the Sandy Hook thing all about?
Delusional
That's as close as Spock gets to a "thanks for nothing". He saw what happened and bailed on the thread....